Manga Proof: Naruto has Lost his RSM!

[Minator93]

A Minator thread as always is a factual thread.
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Thanks man, it's good to be back

 

[Adam Driver]

Ayy it's that user that usually goes full retard, welcome back

 

[Ansatsuken]

It's been a while since I last made a thread, since new Canon material has been created by Kishimoto I can again visit NB even if it's for a short while.

Okay as usual I'll directly get to the point, I've seen many people saying that Naruto has his RSM which stands for "Rikudou Sage Mode" the one he obtained from Hagoromo Ootsutsuki along with the Yang Seal.

Naruto and Sasuke both lost their seals and the abilities that came with those seals here,

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the catch was, they still had some remains of the Rikudou Chakra [Chakra they had received from Hagoromo Ootsutsuki]

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and that's why we saw,

1. Naruto fighting in RSM in the VOTE .

2. Sasuke's immense chakra levels during VOTE battle when in reality his EMS

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to produce a legged Susanoo few hours [or 2 days] earlier!

Eventually both of them lost or should I say ran out of Rikudou Chakra and reverted back to their normal [considerably less powerful selves]. Same happeded to Kakashi who was on Kaguya's level with Rikudou's Chakra but reverted back to his normal [less powerful self] as soon as it left him,

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As showed above the Rikudou Chakra [received temporarily from Juubi or Hagoromo] isn't permanent, it runs out eventually, same happened to Naruto and Sasuke. Naruto doesn't have the RSM or TSB anymore and Sasuke doesn't have his VOTE level chakra or say couldn't achieve the same feat of Indra's Arrow again!

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Now, here's Naruto's original RSM design

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He has:

1. 9 TSB.
2. Dark Pants [variation from single striped pants as opposed in Bijuu Mode or Bijuu Sage Mode].
3. Palms and Wrists doesn't have the usual BM/BSM design but has a dark design unique to RSM.

Next, look at this

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The back has unique Rikudou/Juubi Jin design of 9 Magatama and Sage's Circular Symbol on top of it.

Naruto sported this look throughout VOTE [

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] although with less number of TSBs [Losing 3 Against Madara and another 3 against Kaguya and Black Zetsu]

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Now, here's Naruto's original BSM design

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He has:

1. Single Striped Pants.
2. Back has no Magatama but a single Circular design.
3. No TSBs.
4. Wrists have the circular pattern and not all dark like RSM.

The above 4 points differentiate him from being in RSM and being in BSM

And finally we move on to Hokage Naruto,

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The Pattern is confirmed BSM and not RSM U_U

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Hope you guys enjoyed :flowers

EDIT: The Last which is Canon, where Naruto fought a life and death battle with Toneri showed him using BSM

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And not RSM, I rest my case U_U

They still had Six Path chakra inside their body.

This chakra is permanantly exist inside their body

Kakashi is using Obito chakra that contained Six Path chakra and Senjutsu. Thats why after Obito leave his body, all Six Path chakra and also Sharingan leaving Kakashi body

Whether Naruto still has complete Six Path Senjutsu remain a question.

 

[Minator93]

They still had Six Path chakra inside thier body.

This chakra is permanantly exist inside they body

Kakashi is using Obito chakra that contained Six Path chakra and Senjutsu. Thats why after Obito leave his body, all Six Path chakra and also Sharingan leaving Kakashi body

Not really, no.

 

[Rohan]

Welcome Back, Minator. :hugg:

10/10 thread as usual. :bdpf:

 

[Ansatsuken]

Not really, no.

If Sasuke still has Rinnegan in this series. Your assumption will be proven as false

Let us see first if he still got his Rinnegan eye.

 

[Zawerni]

I'm still waiting for the scan showing Naruto and Sasuke lost/losing their Rikudou chakra.

Thread title says "Manga proof" but there is no manga proof.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

The Rinnegan is a doujutsu awakened by Indra and Ashura's mixture not because of Rikudou Chakra otherwise Kakashi too would've had Rinnegan. What Sasuke lost is the Black Chidori or Immensly strong reserves of chakra maybe Indra's arrow etc. He won't lose the Rinnegan.

Doesn't Indra and Ashura's chakra equal Rikodou's chakra? BTW, Rinnegan is probably awakened when Indra and Ashura or Rikodou's chakra becomes a part of the user's chakra, simply having it is not sufficient. Madara didn't get the Rinnegan right after adding Hashirama's chakra to his own chakra. He had to wait until both their chakras mixed together in one vessel.

Eye Pattern implies sage Mode. Pigmentation merely represented the proficiency. As it was with Jiraya or Minato. Lesser the Pigmentation means greater the proficiency as it was with other two. His base level SM has the pigmentation but nit the BSM one why? Because Precision is much higher in BM Mode than in Base Mode U_U

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Hashirama's SM is different, his pattern is different nor does he have/had any type of External Help[bijju Mode] to augment his existing SM so we'll never know what refinement he could've achieved. But if we follow Minato and Jiraya the Toad eyes represented the toad SM, the Pigmentation indicated the proficiency. Naruto's base still has pigmentation but his BSM doesn't, the scope of proficiency of that level would only come with BM.

I'm not so sure about that... If precision of SM is much higher in BM, then why didn't it come into scene before when Naruto combined SM with BM during the war? Then according to your theory, there shouldn't be any pigmentation in BSM in the first place...

Especially when at one time Kurama hated the fact Naruto had to use his Sage Mode wondering why he would learn that when he had Kurama's strength lol.

Yeah but now that Kurama itself utilizes senjutsu, which is after gaining Rikodou's chakra and senjutsu, that is what probably stabilized and empowered Naruto's Sage Mode to a point that the pigmentation disappeared, and that along with the BM combination is most likely what RSM is... I think...

 

[Six Paths]

Hashirama's SM is different, his pattern is different nor does he have/had any type of External Help[bijju Mode] to augment his existing SM so we'll never know what refinement he could've achieved. But if we follow Minato and Jiraya the Toad eyes represented the toad SM, the Pigmentation indicated the proficiency. Naruto's base still has pigmentation but his BSM doesn't, the scope of proficiency of that level would only come with BM.

And we have seen him enter pretty much instantly in BSM before that that's nothing surprising, he's done the same in the Last too U_U

If we enter the room of could have beens, we are beyond the theory department. I have to agree Naruto lost RSM, as the Magatamas in the back are missing. But I still believe that his SM or rather BM is different from how it was before.

Thanks again for this fun discussion.

 

[UchiaUzimaki]

Why do you care so much? And why is it so important that EVERYONE proves that he lost it? And why can't he keep it what's wrong with him having RSM?

 

[xxSAGExx]

Your post is wrong on many points. Kakashi was not on Kaguya level, he only had PS and Kamui which was stronger because Obito had Rikudo chakra; it didn't run out, Kakashi had it until Obito chakra left him, it was Obito's chakra that was limited use. Hagoromo gave Sasuke Yin chakra and Naruto Yang which gave them Rinnegan and RSM. To have the Rinnegan you need Indra (yin) and Ashura (yang) to awaken Hagoromo chakra (yin yang). Sasuke had half of Hagoromo chakra which only gave him 1 Rinnegan, if he loses Hagoromo chakra then he loses the Rinnegan but we saw him with it in the last 2 years later.

The chakra Hagoromo gave them boost the Indra/Ashura chakra in them I'm sure. As for Sasuke's chakra level, you do know he was given chakra by Hashirama and given Hashirama's cells by Kabuto which boost stamina and jutsu's powers and he absorbed chakra from the 9 Bijuus and then from Naruto right? Sounded like you forgot all of that. The pic of Naruto from the last is of KSM, look at the design, it's not BM cloak, he now has full Kurama at that point so his mode would vary a bit; also Kurama left his body and they need to be linked for BM as far as we know.

Hokage Naruto doesn't have SM eye lining which he had in SM and has in the last pic and in war arc BSM; only time he didn't was when he was in RSM so he probably using Sage Senjutsu with BM. Naruto used only KSM on Toneri but does that means he lost BM? No because we seen Hokage in the form, he just never needed to go that far.

 

[MickNerks]

I have to respectfully disagree with you Minator.

*First: I think its impossible to know whether he lost it or not without his implying that he has.

*Second: its understandable that he hasnt used it yet, as that form is a kaguya level form and he hasnt fought anyone deserving of that power. No one has been strong enough for naruto to use it on.

*Third: Narutobase has always been a platform of doubting what people can do or what they still have just because the masses haven't seen it yet. People here also state that naruto no longer have all 9 tailed beast in him because he has not showed them yet (only the beginning of the manga). I urge you not to be one of those people who bring baseless predictions before the manga even concludes what the characters do or dont have.



We have seen multiple fails on peoples part when trying to declare what people can and cant do before the manga gives its final verdict:

1. Naruto cant make more than 3 clones in sage mode (

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2. Naruto cant clone Bijuu Mode (

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3. Hiruzen cant use every element because kishimoto retconned his character (

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4. Sasuke will never get the rinnegan (

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5. Obito doesnt have susanoo (

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6. Sakura can never surpass tsunade (

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7. Naruto cant clone BSM AVATARS (

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8. There is no way Naruto or Sasuke can ever be stronger than Hashirama and Madara (

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These are only a few examples of predictions or MANGA FACTS people have tried to argue before the Manga even gave its conclusion on things. And I believe saying that Naruto doesnt have RSM is another attempt to disprove something before the manga gives us any indication. It just started 4 weeks ago and people are already taking away from characters. This is a problem

Just my thoughts thoughts.. Glad you are back!!!!

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

The Rinnegan is a doujutsu awakened by Indra and Ashura's mixture not because of Rikudou Chakra otherwise Kakashi too would've had Rinnegan. What Sasuke lost is the Black Chidori or Immensly strong reserves of chakra maybe Indra's arrow etc. He won't lose the Rinnegan.

Oh boy, okay buddy.
Please tell me you know what Indra + Ashura = to?
Indra + Ashura equals Rikudou's chakra.
The Databook states that Sasuke's Rinnegan (and Amenoteijikara), was granted/giftedby Hagoromo. There is no ifs or buts here, Sasuke's Rinnegan formed because he was directly given Hagoromo's chakra.

Kakashi didn't have the Rinnegan because Obito didn't have enough of the Sage's chakra, nor did Kakashi have the right body or actual eyes to handle the awakening of such a power.

Rinnegan = Indra and Ashura which equals Hagoromo's chakra. Sasuke still has Hagoromo's chakra, as does Naruto.

Eye Pattern implies sage Mode. Pigmentation merely represented the proficiency. As it was with Jiraya or Minato. Lesser the Pigmentation means greater the proficiency as it was with other two. His base level SM has the pigmentation but nit the BSM one why? Because Precision is much higher in BM Mode than in Base Mode U_

Naruto showed that he still has the Pigmentation that a Sage always has with Toad Sage mode, yet when he went BSM, he lost the Pigmentation, which only happens when he's using Rikudou Sage Mode.
Naruto was shown flying in the last and was also shown to be capable of effecting TSBs, all of these feats can only be done with Rikudou chakra.

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'Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo)

Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

← The caster has an unconscious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of Chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosophical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

→ Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast Chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!

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← His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchūriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!'

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The Six Paths Senjutsu powers can still be used without being in this mode.

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Hopefully this ends your bs.

 

[Narutrol]

Oh boy, okay buddy.
Please tell me you know what Indra + Ashura = to?
Indra + Ashura equals Rikudou's chakra.
The Databook states that Sasuke's Rinnegan (and Amenoteijikara), was granted/giftedby Hagoromo. There is no ifs or buts here, Sasuke's Rinnegan formed because he was directly given Hagoromo's chakra.

Kakashi didn't have the Rinnegan because Obito didn't have enough of the Sage's chakra, nor did Kakashi have the right body or actual eyes to handle the awakening of such a power.

Rinnegan = Indra and Ashura which equals Hagoromo's chakra. Sasuke still has Hagoromo's chakra, as does Naruto.




Naruto showed that he still has the Pigmentation that a Sage always has with Toad Sage mode, yet when he went BSM, he lost the Pigmentation, which only happens when he's using Rikudou Sage Mode.
Naruto was shown flying in the last and was also shown to be capable of effecting TSBs, all of these feats can only be done with Rikudou chakra.

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'Six Paths Sage Mode (六道仙人モード, Rikudō Sennin Mōdo)

Heading: A gift from the ancestor of Shinobi that grants a supernatural mental state allowing for the complete, universal comprehension of all things.

← The caster has an unconscious/automatic mastery of the Sage of Six Path's "ability to levitate" (浮遊する能力, fuyū suru nōryoku).

From what I can make out of the main body of text, it says that this is a technique that allows the user to quickly grasp the nature of Chakra with the skill of a well-studied, highly sensitive master. It also seems to have a bunch of philosophical stuff about the Sage of Six Paths which is hard to make out because I can only read about half of it.

→ Kicking a Truthseeker Orb! Surpassing Kurama Mode, his vast Chakra lets him perform this risky stunt!

← His reaction speed meets or exceeds that of Madara in his Ten Tails Jinchūriki Form. It's the height of sensory ability!'

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Hopefully this ends your bs.

yin power/yin seal's oringal owner is hamura. Hago is the oringal owner of yang power

Going by seal, it should be yang for rinnegan while yin for hinata eyes

So no, yin power does not give rinnegan

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

yin power/yin seal's oringal owner is hamura. Hago is the oringal owner of yang power

Going by seal, it should be yang for rinnegan while yin for hinata eyes

So no, yin power does not give rinnegan

No, Hagoromo is the original wielder of both seals, Kaguya herself practically said so (by mentioning him directly as giving Naruto and Sasuke the seals, with no mention of Hamura). Hamura either had his own seal or his was given to him by Hagoromo.
Hagoromo had the Yin-Yang staff during that battle, which means Rinnegan still equals Yin and Yang.

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'Looking for stability, one god was divided into Yin and Yang, the action of the two opposing forces created all things in Nature.' The Manga has been drilling into us for ages now that the Sage's sons were both halves of his split chakra, and that the two sons chakra's and blood conjoining together will awaken the Rinnegan.

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Ashura was the Sage's Yang, and Indra the Sage's Yin, together, through bringing the two opposite halves together, only than can the Rinnegan be obtained, because to awaken the Rinnegan you first need to awaken Hagoromo's chakra, which can only be done through having both halves of his split chakra or Hagoromo gifting his chakra directly to someone.

Edit: Meant split 'chakra,' not 'power.' It was an old post that I accidentally pasted on because of the Manga scans and my previous explanation on the Sage's Yin and Yang splitting between his sons, but without making sure it was updated with my new views. I'd originally intended to put it in a quotation box, but forgot to, and, with the edits can't be bothered.

 

[Narutrol]

No, Hagoromo is the original wielder of both seals, Kaguya herself practically so (by mentioning him directly as giving Naruto and Sasuke the seals, with no mention of Hamura). Hamura either had his own seal or his was given to him by Hagoromo.
Hagoromo had the Yin-Yang staff during that battle, which means Rinnegan still equals Yin and Yang.

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'Looking for stability, one god was divided into Yin and Yang, the action of the two opposing forces created all things in Nature.' The Manga has been drilling into us for ages now that the Sage's sons were both halves of his power, and that the two sons chakra's and blood conjoining together will awaken the Rinnegan.

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Ashura was the Sage's Yang, and Indra the Sage's Yin, together, through brining the two opposite halves together, only than can the Rinnegan be obtained, because to awaken the Rinnegan you first need to awaken Hagoromo's chakra, which can only be done through having both halves of his split power or Hagoromo gifting his chakra directly to someone.

Hago(yang) and humara(yin) together sealed kaguya

You are now talking about yin yang seal, which were hidden from those scans because yin yang power were never revealed until jubidara revived

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[PureSkillz]

No one asked you to stay here, get lost.

You seem upset, not sure why.

 

[Lord of Akatsuki]

Hago(yang) and humara(yin) together sealed kaguya

You are now talking about yin yang seal, which were hidden from those scans because yin yang power were never revealed until jubidara revived

Hagoromo was both Yin and Yang, his power is Yin and Yang, and he is noted as the original owner of both seals. Hamura is also both Yin and Yang, Yin being the Byakugan and his Yang most likely being Shikotsumyaku.
Hagoromo had his Yin-Yang staff and TSB during his battle with Kaguya, and Hamura also had TSB. I don't know how I can put it to make it obvious, but even ignoring the Yin-Yang staff which clearly shows he had both powers, both Hagoromo and Hamura had TSBs, which can only be done through the power of Six Paths Sage chakra and Yin-Yang.

 

[Narutrol]

Hagoromo was both Yin and Yang, his power is Yin and Yang, and he is noted as the original owner of both seals. Hamura is also both Yin and Yang, Yin being the Byakugan and his Yang most likely being Shikotsumyaku.
Hagoromo had his Yin-Yang staff and TSB during his battle with Kaguya, and Hamura also had TSB. I don't know how I can put it to make it obvious, but even ignoring the Yin-Yang staff which clearly shows he had both powers, both Hagoromo and Hamura had TSBs, which can only be done through the power of Six Paths Sage chakra and Yin-Yang.

im talking about the yin yang powerup

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[Lord of Akatsuki]

What you saying is after hamura

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No, what I'm saying is at the same time as Hamura.

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Please tell me you can see the double edged staff?
TSB equals Yin and Yang.