Please don't try to justify your idiotic argument. Lmao. You guys pulled so many straws out of your ass in an attempt to deny what was obvious. If your interpretation made sense, then it'd be alright. But it didn't. Not one bit.
In your viewpoint that is the case. This only shows you're inflexible and can't take on multiple standpoints in an argument, and are incapable of withstanding the notion that someone can have a separate view than you. You're now brute-forcing your portrayal of us as idiots. I can use this against you as well. Do NOT try to justify some of the most childish posts made on NB with "but I was right."
No, it's not. I suggest we learn how to read. I'm implying that you saying Naruto can't possibly use a partial transformation is ironic since you think a paw shaped Fuuton Ninjutsu, that doesn't look anything like a Fuuton by the way, can exist.
Everything about the paw is blurred, and it does look like wind. The motion lines behind it also make it look like it could have been wind. Heck, even actual wind style looks more solid than his arm did.
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All your doing is abusing the new supporting evidence to say that "all evidence was idiotic to begin with" which is completely false.
Before chapter 5? No, they haven't been shown. Does that change the fact they were used in chapter 5? No, it doesn't. Lmao.
Which is why it's absurd that you treated your own evidence, which did not have a 100% solid basis like us, as "the absolute truth." If it never happened before, and we were speculating on what it was, why in the world would you use this argument as supporting evidence?!
Whether or not B used physical limbs means absolutely nothing. Naruto's Bijuu Mode isn't physical, so no shit that his partial transformation would be the same as B's when it comes to it's mechanics, but of course it'd be Kurama's chakra limb as his BM is a chakra avatar.
I call bull. That's like using Gaara shaping his sand as Shukaku's physical body as evidence Naruto can shape any unsolid object containing his chakra into Kurama's paw.
Naruto used Kurama's paw in chapter 5. That's a fact You guys denied it, and had shit evidence of course. You cry about "opinions, opinions, opinions", but this isn't you denying an opinion. It's you denying a fact. You disagreeing with it doesn't make it an opinion.
This is exactly the nonsense I'm talking about. The reality is, you felt strongly that it was a chakra arm. You're passing out your perception as facts and crying that we dared have a different interpretation of what we saw. The true irony is that even after the manga proves you correct, your "victory dance argument" is worse than the majority of arguments used in this entire thread!
Lmao. I'm chillin' kiddo. The only one who seems to be upset is you, probably cause I called you out and you alone. What's funny is you are sitting here crying about your whole post, when I only addressed the little ironic bit. I suggest we learn how to read before you reply to me again.
Yeah........lie. You're so chill that you went through repeatedly spamming an image over and over again and mocking people excessively for merely having a separate interpretation. You could have just as easily posted a single image and said "looks like I was right" and it would have sufficed. But no, you apparently were motivated to make multiple quotes from people who disagreed with you, and did everything in your power to mock us, particularly me. It's pathetically obvious that you were enraged over something so incredibly minor. You fact that you focused on me heavily implies that you found my stance the most irritating, yet, in the same pages as the quotes, you'll find this post, in which I take a "we ultimately don't know stance."
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So, in a thread filled with raging people, you found it necessary to address the casual one. Why? Only one thing comes to mind. You don't like someone saying "cool your jets" because you want to rage and revel in making others look stupid, which is twisted beyond belief.
What's ironic? I stated that it never happened before. It was a valid argument at the time. If it did, it did. Whoops, I was wrong. No big deal. Yet, of course, you feel the compulsive need to mock.
You can share your opinion all you want, but when it disagrees with fact, don't get mad when you get called out. It makes you look like an immature little kid.
"SHUT UP! I'M GLOATING!" Oh, sorry! I simplified your absurd justification of your childish actions to 4 words! Tell me, how can someone not get mad from that post of yours? This goes beyond "calling out" and straight-up portraying people as idiots. If I'm immature for being mad when someone acts with an absurdly obnoxious post, what does that make you, who was mad enough to make it in the first place as a response to a debate? Answer: someone immensely more childish. If you're going out of your way to offend people, they aren't going to be pulling their punches either.
You aren't compelled to make fun of people. It's your choice. I am free to criticize your obscenely malicious choice and display it for what it is, a childish rage that others didn't agree with him until the manga actually directly proved his case.
Can you stop? Lmao. This wasn't debatable from day 1. You disagreeing and thinking that it might be something else doesn't change the fact. This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. I suggest we learn the difference next time we decide to disagree with it.
Can you not be an @$$ after a debate? No? Okay, continue your portrayal of us, and I'll continue demonstrating how illogical and immature you are for starting this BS in the first place. No, it was an opinion. It is nothing but an opinion. You feel about it strongly, so you pass it off as facts. Your evidence was no more well-founded than ours. Your argument was no more than "it's a paw, therefore, it's a chakra arm" whereas we were like "It's blurred, therefore it's wind" However, the manga went your direction. Of course, instead of simply saying, "turns out I'm right" you make an absurdly obnoxious post meant to display "anybody that disagreed with me in this thread is an idiot." So, I will show how absurdly
In your viewpoint that is the case. This only shows you're inflexible and can't take on multiple standpoints in an argument, and are incapable of withstanding the notion that someone can have a separate view than you. You're now brute-forcing your portrayal of us as idiots. I can use this against you as well. Do NOT try to justify some of the most childish posts made on NB with "but I was right."
You would have a point, if your argument wasn't retarded. You can keep arguing it like it's plausible, but at the end of the day, it's not. Exactly why I don't take you seriously. Never really have, definitely never will.
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Everything about the paw is blurred, and it does look like wind. The motion lines behind it also make it look like it could have been wind. Heck, even actual wind style looks more solid than his arm did.
What's funny is that you post a scan of Fuuton showing that there is literally no correlation between it or the paw, yet you are still arguing that it could've been Fuuton. What a joke.
-Blurred? Doesn't look anything like Fuuton. You can see some of those same exact outlines near the head of Kurama that Naruto summoned when he actually entered Bijuu Mode.
-That Fuuton looks completely different from the paw. I've stated it. You've stated it. Manga shows it. Please stop trying to say that it could've been Fuuton.
All your doing is abusing the new supporting evidence to say that "all evidence was idiotic to begin with" which is completely false.
Your evidence was idiotic from the start, and I've stated multiple times that it made no sense even before this chapter came out. Lmao. Don't twist reality buddy.
Which is why it's absurd that you treated your own evidence, which did not have a 100% solid basis like us, as "the absolute truth." If it never happened before, and we were speculating on what it was, why in the world would you use this argument as supporting evidence?!
What's funny is that you keep crying about my evidence, but here's what you don't understand. You guys debating this shit like it was debatable to begin with doesn't change that Kishimoto drew Naruto using Kurama's claw. People trying to ignore that fact and bringing what they think is evidence isn't going to change what Kishimoto drew. That simple.
-Looks like a claw.
-Looks nothing like Fuuton.
-No hand signs.
-Controlled with Naruto's own movements.
-Same transparency and shading as Naruto's Avatar.
It happened. People speculating on it won't change the fact. It just means that at the end of the day, you were denying Manga fact. If your argumentation was good, you'd have a point. But it wasn't. Not in the slightest.
I call bull. That's like using Gaara shaping his sand as Shukaku's physical body as evidence Naruto can shape any unsolid object containing his chakra into Kurama's paw.
Is Gaara using a partial transformation there? Nope. Is "the shaping of objects" an ability that Naruto could possibly possess? No. Stop with the shitty examples pal. It's only going to make you look worse than you already do for ignoring Manga fact.
-Partial transformation is an ability that Perfect Jinchuuriki can have. That includes Naruto.
The fact that Naruto possessing the ability is plausible to begin with makes your analogy look dumb.
This is exactly the nonsense I'm talking about. The reality is, you felt strongly that it was a chakra arm. You're passing out your perception as facts and crying that we dared have a different interpretation of what we saw. The true irony is that even after the manga proves you correct, your "victory dance argument" is worse than the majority of arguments used in this entire thread!
Do you know why I felt strongly that it was a chakra arm?
Because the Manga showed it. Lmao. Anyone and everyone denying it had literally no good argument as to why it wasn't a chakra arm. Just this "Fuuton" nonsense which is based on nothing but the fact that Naruto was in Base and that Naruto has the Fuuton element. Lmfao. Keep on crying kiddo.
Yeah........lie. You're so chill that you went through repeatedly spamming an image over and over again and mocking people excessively for merely having a separate interpretation. You could have just as easily posted a single image and said "looks like I was right" and it would have sufficed. But no, you apparently were motivated to make multiple quotes from people who disagreed with you, and did everything in your power to mock us, particularly me. It's pathetically obvious that you were enraged over something so incredibly minor. You fact that you focused on me heavily implies that you found my stance the most irritating, yet, in the same pages as the quotes, you'll find this post, in which I take a "we ultimately don't know stance."
I did no excessive mocking, and me posting multiple images doesn't mean I'm mad. If anything it means I'm sitting here laughing my ass off because you people denied obvious manga fact. The only one upset here is you. Please don't start deflecting your problems onto me, it makes you look weak minded.
Most of this post is you crying cause I called you out. Get over it. Stop being a whiny little brat.
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So, in a thread filled with raging people, you found it necessary to address the casual one. Why? Only one thing comes to mind. You don't like someone saying "cool your jets" because you want to rage and revel in making others look stupid, which is twisted beyond belief.
Lmao, one of the biggest crybaby little whiny brats I've ever encountered on this forum. I suggest you log out and go get the milk bottle from your mommy. Go cry to her that a "mean guy on the internet called out the irony in your post". Lmao. Please grow a pair. I didn't come here to see some guy post about why he's so butthurt.
What's ironic? I stated that it never happened before. It was a valid argument at the time. If it did, it did. Whoops, I was wrong. No big deal. Yet, of course, you feel the compulsive need to mock.
-You cry about people not thinking that a wind claw jutsu is possible.
-But at the same time you dismiss the fact that Naruto used partial transformation...just because you feel like it. :lol.
"SHUT UP! I'M GLOATING!" Oh, sorry! I simplified your absurd justification of your childish actions to 4 words! Tell me, how can someone not get mad from that post of yours? This goes beyond "calling out" and straight-up portraying people as idiots. You're trying to shift the repercussions for your actions to me, which is immature. If I'm immature for being mad when someone acts with an absurdly obnoxious post, what does that make you, who was mad enough to make it in the first place as a response to a debate? Answer: someone immensely more childish. If you're going out of your way to offend people, they aren't going to be pulling their punches either.
Can you please stop mentioning the others? In reality you are only upset and acting like a pissy little girl because I called you out on your irony. What's funny is that you still think I'm mad while you are making this wall of text, crying and raging about how "I hurt your feelings with my post".
Stop deflecting your asshurt onto me. You are mad. I am fine. You seem to be the only one mad here, which is pretty hilarious.
Can you not be an @$$ after a debate? No? Okay, continue your portrayal of us, and I'll continue demonstrating how illogical and immature you are for starting this BS in the first place. No, it was an opinion. It is nothing but an opinion. You feel about it strongly, so you pass it off as facts. Your evidence was no more well-founded than ours. Your argument was no more than "it's a paw, therefore, it's a chakra arm" whereas we were like "It's blurred, therefore it's wind" However, the manga went your direction. Of course, instead of simply saying, "turns out I'm right" you make an absurdly obnoxious post meant to display "anybody that disagreed with me in this thread is an idiot." So, I will show how absurdly
Opinion? Manga shows what it was. You thinking it's something else isn't going to change what it actually was. This isn't some prediction that came true, this is debate over what an object appeared to be. Those who could read the Manga chose the right answer. That simple. Not because "evidence supported it", but because they don't make excuses for their favorite characters, or they know how to view pictures and use common sense. Evidence for it being a chakra claw?
-It's a claw.
-It has the same transparency and shading as Naruto's Avatar.
-Naruto is a Perfect Jinchuuriki.
-Naruto has shown to use Kurama's chakra in Base.
-Other PJ's have shown partial transformation in Base.
"It's blurred so it's Fuuton" is probably the dumbest thing I've heard today. Especially since it looked nothing like Fuuton.
Bitchmade. This is basically just you crying and raging some more about me calling you out, which is something you're fond of doing, which constantly annoys me. Everything else has been addressed. If you don't want to be called out, don't make retarded posts with shitty ass evidence. That simple kiddo. That simple.
Now go cry to someone who gives a flying rat's ass. :lol
Yeah that's because it was a close up in chapter 6 while the one from chapter 5 was only briefly summoned and used in a quick motion. The little chakra spick from chapter 6 doesn't prove anything in your favor I'm afraid. Infact it makes sense why it would unnoticeable in the scan from the OP.
well your tittle is a little vauge... as in New jutsu on his own do you mean he never created a new jutsu like the giant rasangan he created on his own or the multiple variations of it he created Wind Release: Rasenshuriken, Spiralling Strife Spheres, the Spiralling Absorption Sphere, and the Planetary Rasengan miniature version of the Rasenshuriken all these were his own created jutsu which varied from an old jutsu which is how anything new is created you take somthing old make it different and better and its a new jutsu. He also learned shadow clone jutsu on his own from a scroll. Everyone in learned basics first from another and then we taught advances when older and then from there some created there own techniques and jutsus. So again your statement is incorrect and very loosly defined.
You don't have any argument either because anything you base yours off is to vague and you attach your own speculation to it and like a child insult anyone who disagree's with your speculation people need to understand that what they attach to scans the way you do isn't fact some are and some aren't but the argument you use isn't among them.
"Looks like a Claw"
"It's a Claw"
Isn't really logically to use as a fact when the picture when I actually compared to the 2 using paint have no logical comparisons especially the one main reason is that the chakra shroud doesn't exist in chapter 5 where it does in Chapter 6.
You don't have any argument either because anything you base yours off is to vague and you attach your own speculation to it and like a child insult anyone who disagree's with your speculation people need to understand that what they attach to scans the way you do isn't fact some are and some aren't but the argument you use isn't among them.
"Looks like a Claw"
"It's a Claw"
Isn't really logically to use as a fact when the picture when I actually compared to the 2 using paint have no logical comparisons especially the one main reason is that the chakra shroud doesn't exist in chapter 5 where it does in Chapter 6.
Not sure why you are trying to prove that the claw and the chakra arm aren't the same thing. It's clear as day that they aren't. The scan is proof that Naruto can use partial transformation in Base. Then there's the fact that they don't look exactly the same, but they are similar. The shroud partially appeared where the arm came from, but the claw was larger than his whole body. Of course that small shroud at the beginning (ending?) of the arm wouldn't be visible.
Chakra claws and chakra arms aren't even the same thing to begin with. The point of the scan was to prove that Naruto can use partial transformation in Base. That's it. Guess that flew right over your head, not surprised though.
I'm waiting for your argument. If you aren't going to present, stop replying to me.
Not sure why you are trying to prove that the claw and the chakra arm aren't the same thing. It's clear as day that they aren't. The scan is proof that Naruto can use partial transformation in Base. Then there's the fact that they don't look exactly the same, but they are similar. The shroud partially appeared where the arm came from, but the claw was larger than his whole body. Of course that small shroud at the beginning (ending?) of the arm wouldn't be visible.
Chakra claws and chakra arms aren't even the same thing to begin with. The point of the scan was to prove that Naruto can use partial transformation in Base. That's it. Guess that flew right over your head, not surprised though.
I'm waiting for your argument. If you aren't going to present, stop replying to me.
Partial transformation when arguing that Naruto has the ability to you have to prove that the shroud exists in chapter 5 which it doesn't. Naruto always has the shroud even in base it's shown in chapter 6 the one you pasted so many times in the one post when it was first released on thursday
Partial transformation when arguing that Naruto has the ability to you have to prove that the shroud exists in chapter 5 which it doesn't. Naruto always has the shroud even in base it's shown in chapter 6 the one you pasted so many times in the one post when it was first released on thursday
Except I don't since a part of the shroud appearing isn't a staple for partial transformations. If Naruto had done the same thing and a shroud appeared, then you'd have a point. He used a chakra arm. Not a claw. Not to mention you are literally ignoring every other similarity.
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That looks similar to what Naruto did in Gaiden. Not sure what's so hard to understand. It's a claw. That is a fact. The fact that you literally have no plausible explanation for what you think that the claw is only makes your whole stance harder to take seriously.
Except I don't since a part of the shroud appearing isn't a staple for partial transformations. If Naruto had done the same thing and a shroud appeared, then you'd have a point. He used a chakra arm. Not a claw. Not to mention you are literally ignoring every other similarity.
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That looks similar to what Naruto did in Gaiden. Not sure what's so hard to understand. It's a claw. That is a fact. The fact that you literally have no plausible explanation for what you think that the claw is only makes your whole stance harder to take seriously.
Just a claw. Naruto's using his actual arm, but with a claw made of chakra acting as his hand instead of his actual hand. If he used a chakra arm, we'd see the arm and the claw.
Just a claw. Naruto's using his actual arm, but with a claw made of chakra acting as his hand instead of his actual hand. If he used a chakra arm, we'd see the arm and the claw.
Okay then I concede it's a chakra claw I understand now though that the whole shroud is probably only related to the chakra arms not the claws as seen by your scan when Naruto fought Kaguya. I only wanted to keep believing Naruto had actually used something new just something other then Rasengan it's variants you do understand this right? the one time I wanted it to be something different and completely new but oh well.
This is basically just you crying and raging some more about me calling you out, which is something you're fond of doing, which constantly annoys me. Everything else has been addressed. If you don't want to be called out, don't make retarded posts with shitty ass evidence. That simple kiddo. That simple.