Manga Factual claim: Naruto didn't learn any new jutsu on his own!

[Dantee]

it's a shockwave. he's done it before.

In other words, it isn't new at all.

Elaborate? Where has he done it before.

I'm not sure about what to think of this topic.

- Why did Naruto swing his arm down then upwards like the paw/claw?

- Does Naruto need to move to use Kurama?

- I still can't decide which is what.

He swung his arm with Kuramas paw to swipe the weapons away. I thought it was pretty neatly drawn out. Kishi is a good artist.

 

[Prometheus 2000]

That's not true. He can activate it pretty fast.


You're wrong. He already did it in the last. I suggest you catch up and reread the OP before making anymore outrageous claims

Eh, like I said, we can't tell what it was exactly. Even if it was partial transformation, why is it such a big deal? Killer Bee uses it all the time.

 

[Dantee]

Eh, like I said, we can't tell what it was exactly. Even if it was partial transformation, why is it such a big deal? Killer Bee uses it all the time.

No idea why it's such a big deal. You should ask Kibou, he seems hostile atm.

 

[ComplexCity]

That's not true. He can activate it pretty fast.


You're wrong. He already did it in the last. I suggest you catch up and reread the OP before making anymore outrageous claims

You're right I didn't read the OP because you are notorious for downplaying Naruto, but now that I did, I have been enlighten to how increasing ludicrous your statements get. Now I'd like to address a couples of things

Naruto is neither saying the name of his new jutsu nor is a he a hyuuga, so it's definitely not air palm,rotation or any other special abilities. He also didn't make any hand signs that indicates the use of a fuuton jutsu.

This has already, time and time again, been proven to not always needing to occur to use a jutsu. I can't count how many times Sasuke has used Chidori without handsigns or saying it.

I see some people claiming Naruto actually learned something new on his own after the release of Naruto Gaiden chapter 5. However, I want everyone to make no mistake that Naruto did indeed cooperate with Kurama to use this new technique!

The chakara to go into BM takes co-op. Naruto is the one using the chakara to perform techs



Think I'll wait til Gaiden is over to make any assumptions

 

[KidGamer65]

Lmao. Thread was needed.

-Naruto fans say that it's a brand new wind jutsu, and are actually trying to back the assertion that it being a brand new wind jutsu that looks EXACTLY like Kurama's claw is more likely than it being a claw made of his chakra.

-People keep crying asking for proof that his chakra can be used in Base, even though Naruto used his chakra w/o entering KCM during The Last. Even though B has been summoning Gyuki's tentacles since he was a teen w/o entering any chakra mode.

-And I see the same people with the same defeated points from the other thread.

Weren't people trying to say that Shin didn't really dodge Naruto's chakra arm last week? Making hella excuses? And then what happened?

Oh wait, Nardo himself said "Good job dodging that". Smh. Stop denying the obvious people.

 

[To Whatever]

Elaborate? Where has he done it before.



He swung his arm with Kuramas paw to swipe the weapons away. I thought it was pretty neatly drawn out. Kishi is a good artist.

Base mode shockwave swipes?

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People say it's a kyuubi arm but I think otherwise. He was in base mode, and not in his other forms.

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4TK Naruto Shockwave slash:

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I hope he gets his roar back too:

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3TK Shockwave roar:

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[Prometheus 2000]

Base mode shockwave swipes?

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People say it's a kyuubi arm but I think otherwise. He was in base mode, and not in his other forms.

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4TK Naruto Shockwave slash:

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I hope he gets his roar back too:

Kyuubi Naruto Shockwave roar:

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3TK Shockwave roar:

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I'd go with this.

 

[Dantee]

You're right I didn't read the OP because you are notorious for downplaying Naruto, but now that I did, I have been enlighten to how increasing ludicrous your statements get. Now I'd like to address a couples of things



This has already, time and time again, been proven to not always needing to occur to use a jutsu. I can't count how many times Sasuke has used Chidori without handsigns or saying it.




The chakara to go into BM takes co-op. Naruto is the one using the chakara to perform techs



Think I'll wait til Gaiden is over to make any assumptions

You would think any new jutsu from the main character no doubt would show the handseals and the name of the tech. Please quit, you're already far behind. Kurama is the one who molds the chakra for Naruto to use so it can be compatible with him. KG pretty much proved you're in denial.

Lmao. Thread was needed.

-Naruto fans say that it's a brand new wind jutsu, and are actually trying to back the assertion that it being a brand new wind jutsu that looks EXACTLY like Kurama's claw is more likely than it being a claw made of his chakra.

-People keep crying asking for proof that his chakra can be used in Base, even though Naruto used his chakra w/o entering KCM during The Last. Even though B has been summoning Gyuki's tentacles since he was a teen w/o entering any chakra mode.

-And I see the same people with the same defeated points from the other thread.

Weren't people trying to say that Shin didn't really dodge Naruto's chakra arm last week? Making hella excuses? And then what happened?

Oh wait, Nardo himself said "Good job dodging that". Smh. Stop denying the obvious people.

 

[ComplexCity]

You would think any new jutsu from the main character no doubt would show the handseals and the name of the tech. Please quit, you're already far behind. Kurama is the one who molds the chakra for Naruto to use so it can be compatible with him. KG pretty much proved you're in denial.

I'll retract my latter statement, I haven't seen The Last but as I said, I think I'll wait till Gaiden is over to see. Clearly my sig is a lie

 

[KidGamer65]

Base mode shockwave swipes?

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People say it's a kyuubi arm but I think otherwise. He was in base mode, and not in his other forms.

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4TK Naruto Shockwave slash:

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I hope he gets his roar back too:

Kyuubi Naruto Shockwave roar:

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3TK Shockwave roar:

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The impacts of the others are much larger nor are they shaped exactly like a claw that Naruto can control with his hand movements. Not the same thing. Not even close.

 

[Dantee]

Base mode shockwave swipes?

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People say it's a kyuubi arm but I think otherwise. He was in base mode, and not in his other forms.

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4TK Naruto Shockwave slash:

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I hope he gets his roar back too:

Kyuubi Naruto Shockwave roar:

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3TK Shockwave roar:

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That's pretty cool, thanks for the additional evidence. but you know in these scans Kurama was taking over Naruto. It's closer to KCM.

 

[To Whatever]

The impacts of the others are much larger nor are they shaped exactly like a claw that Naruto can control with his hand movements. Not the same thing. Not even close.

They're larger because they're uncontrolled. And you can't you can't even see the shape of the shockwave due to the scaling.


The motions of his hands in 4TK and in the Gaiden are very similar. A swiping motion.

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I believe this to be more believable than him using partial transformation without even entering KCM or even 1TK.

That's pretty cool, thanks for the additional evidence. but you know in these scans Kurama was taking over Naruto. It's closer to KCM.

Naruto is in control of himself in VOTE 1 when he used the shockwave.

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As you can tell, the scale of that roar isn't as strong as his 3TK one.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Kurama always saving people from drama. (^_____^)

 

[TrollingSage]

Lmao. Thread was needed.

-Naruto fans say that it's a brand new wind jutsu, and are actually trying to back the assertion that it being a brand new wind jutsu that looks EXACTLY like Kurama's claw is more likely than it being a claw made of his chakra.

-People keep crying asking for proof that his chakra can be used in Base, even though Naruto used his chakra w/o entering KCM during The Last. Even though B has been summoning Gyuki's tentacles since he was a teen w/o entering any chakra mode.

-And I see the same people with the same defeated points from the other thread.

Weren't people trying to say that Shin didn't really dodge Naruto's chakra arm last week? Making hella excuses? And then what happened?

Oh wait, Nardo himself said "Good job dodging that". Smh. Stop denying the obvious people.

Why did he swing his hand then? As far as am aware chakra arms aren't connected to his movements. He can easily manipulate them without any need to move his actual limbs. IMO those who claim it's a new jutsu have a point

 

[UzumakiRyu]

Why did he swing his hand then? As far as am aware chakra arms are connected to his movements. He can easily manipulate them without any need to move his actual limbs. IMO those who claim it's a new jutsu have a point

Exactly Naruto could of just did in the second part is just summon Kurama's head and protect them from both attack's but oh well people are oblivious to common sense so jump on vague scans and hock them off as BS

 

[Dantee]

Exactly Naruto could of just did in the second part is just summon Kurama's head and protect them from both attack's but oh well people are oblivious to common sense so jump on vague scans and hock them off as BS

Naruto activated his Bsm for more reasons than just protecting. He needs to be offensive as well so he's activating his strongest form so he can fight off the threat.

Why did he swing his hand then? As far as am aware chakra arms aren't connected to his movements. He can easily manipulate them without any need to move his actual limbs. IMO those who claim it's a new jutsu have a point

He swung his hand so the claw would swipe the kunai..How hard is that to understand? Did you see the last, Naruto can channel the kyuubis chakra. It was simply his partial transformation. If it's a new jutsu Kishi would at least throw a name in there for the main character.

 

[TrollingSage]

Naruto activated his Bsm for more reasons than just protecting. He needs to be offensive as well so he's activating his strongest form so he can fight off the threat.


He swung his hand so the claw would swipe the kunai..How hard is that to understand? Did you see the last, Naruto can channel the kyuubis chakra. It was simply his partial transformation. If it's a new jutsu Kishi would at least throw a name in there for the main character.

Boy you need to learn to read properly.I said and I repeat chakra arms aren't connected to Naruto's actual movements. They can and do move without Naruto's actual limbs having to move. In other words, if it was indeed chakra arms, there would have been absolutely no need to move his arms to use them.

 

[KidGamer65]

Why did he swing his hand then? As far as am aware chakra arms aren't connected to his movements. He can easily manipulate them without any need to move his actual limbs. IMO those who claim it's a new jutsu have a point

Not always.

-Had to swing his arm to cut Kaguya's arm off.

-Swung his arm when he attacked Obito despite using a chakra claw.

 

[Dantee]

Boy you need to learn to read properly.I said and I repeat chakra arms aren't connected to Naruto's actual movements. They can and do move without Naruto's actual limbs having to move. In other words, if it was indeed chakra arms, there would have been absolutely no need to move his arms to use them.

That's because there is a clear difference between partial transformations and actually using KCM. A jutsu that uses a paw similar to Kuramas is too much of a coincidence.

 

[To Whatever]

It's either partial transformation or a bijuu chakra enhanced shockwave swipe.

Either way it isn't new or needs a name for it.


In my opinion it's the latter. That "Claw" is not chakra. It doesn't look like it and we have 700 chapters worth to see what chakra looks like in it's many forms


Dantee makes some points so I can't say he's wrong.

To the people saying it's fuuton or something new: Stop the fanfic.










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