[Manga fact ] Breaking down Tsukuyomi technique's essence

[KCMNaruto]

Hello guys, I would like to prove that Sasuke can use Tsukuyomi as there was a lot of doubt in some of people about it. Here I go:

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^^ This sharingan(reffering to MS) Special eye technique. My Illusion technique "Tsukuyomi" can not be beaten.

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^^ All of Space, All of Time. Every matter. Everything is under my control.

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^^ Even Kakashi describes Tsukuyomii as nothing more then MS's eye genjutsu technique.

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^^ Sasuke has Tsukuyomi, as the same aftereffects happened

- pain/strain of eye
- distorted vision
- panel of catching target in genjutsu is displayed in negative.

Proof:

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- Itachi's Tsukuyomi uses negative colors.

Difference between Itachi's and Sasuke's Tsukuyomi:

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^^ As Danzo said Sasuke can not control length of genjutsu which in essence mean control of space and time which Sasuke lacked.

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^^ MS Genjutsu of Sasuke. Even although it was nothing on Itachi's level still could fool Danzo.

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^^ Madara uses EMS Genjutsu which is nothing more then MS genjutsu.

also the fact that:

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^^ That Madara was not shocked when attack by Amaterasu seems that Madara may be familliar with that technique also.

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^^ Sasuke uses MS genjutsu on Itachi which looks quite similliar to Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

Bascially The mere fact that Obito could not use MS genjutsu technique just sharingan genjutsu should means that MS genjutsu is simply incomplete Tsukuyomi technique.

Basically: Tsukuyomi = MS Genjutsu + Control over time and space.

Summary :​

• Tsukuyomi is just MS genjutsu technique in which Itachi utilizes control over space and time.
• MS Genjutsu used by Sasuke and Madara are incomplete version of Tsukuyomi version.
• Obito is incapable of using MS genjutsu only Base Sharingan genjutsu
• Madara may have Incomplete Tsukuyomi and Incomplete Amaterasu.
• Neither Madara or Sasuke are good Tsukuyomi technique users that why they rearly use it.

Thanks for reading !
Please share your thoughts

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

I think Tsukoyomi is the name of the MS genjutsu, Genjutsu: Grasping Moon, is what controls time and space.

Think of it like this.
They both have amaterasu
But Itachi dosent have Enton: Kagutsuchi which requires shape manipulation.

Sasuke has Tsukoyomi, but he lacks the "Grasping Moon" which controls time and space
Itachi has Blaze Release, but lacks the ability to add shape manipulation to it.

They are brothers, and the opposite sides of the same coin. They both have each others powers, but each specialize in the other.
Especially now that Sasuke has Itachi's eyes, it only logical that he can use Tsuko. Thats probably why Madara want them.

 

[itachi4real]

Bruh it affected sasuke but it didnt affect killer bee at all. The n**** just got up like shit didnt happen.


People are really ignoring the fact that three people( madara, sasuke, and itachi) would then have the same exact ms techs. There would be no uniqueness in them.


All of them have sharingan genjutsu but only itachi has tsukuyomi. The name really matter. sasuke sayin sharingan genjutsu instead of tsukuyomi is like sayin its two different techs which it is

 

[KCMNaruto]

I think Tsukoyomi is the name of the MS genjutsu, Genjutsu: Grasping Moon, is what controls time and space.

Think of it like this.
They both have amaterasu
But Itachi dosent have Enton: Kagutsuchi which requires shape manipulation.

Sasuke has Tsukoyomi, but he lacks the "Grasping Moon" which controls time and space
Itachi has Blaze Release, but lacks the ability to add shape manipulation to it.

Exactly my point , You get it straight

I will rep you If I can

Bruh it affected sasuke but it didnt affect killer bee at all. The n**** just got up like shit didnt happen.


People are really ignoring the fact that three people( madara, sasuke, and itachi) would then have the same exact ms techs. There would be no uniqueness in them.


All of them have sharingan genjutsu but only itachi has tsukuyomi. The name really matter. sasuke sayin sharingan genjutsu instead of tsukuyomi is like sayin its two different techs which it is

@ bold part is wrong. Kishi can make all three of them have Tsukuyomi, Amaterasu and Sussano.

The difference is skill each of them have in their preffered area.

Itachi - MS genjutsu + Control over Space and Time = Tsukyomi
Sasuke - Amaterasu + Shape Control = Enton
Madara - Sussano + something uncovered = Master of Sussano(no name for it yet)

 

[Mogli]

I think Tsukoyomi is the name of the MS genjutsu, Genjutsu: Grasping Moon, is what controls time and space.

Think of it like this.
They both have amaterasu
But Itachi dosent have Enton: Kagutsuchi which requires shape manipulation.

Sasuke has Tsukoyomi, but he lacks the "Grasping Moon" which controls time and space
Itachi has Blaze Release, but lacks the ability to add shape manipulation to it.

They are brothers, and the opposite sides of the same coin. They both have each others powers, but each specialize in the other.
Especially now that Sasuke has Itachi's eyes, it only logical that he can use Tsuko. Thats probably why Madara want them.

So from what you said, it would make sense to say that if you had control over space/time, you could lengthen a genjutsu to a level of tsukuyomi. so by logic if minato or tobirama got the MS of obito and they mix it up with their knowledge of space and time, they could create a tsukuyomi or a defence to a tsukuyomi

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Exactly my point , You get it straight

I will rep you If I can

Yeap, i get exactly what you mean.They are brothers, and the opposite sides of the same coin. They both have each others powers, but each specialize in the other.
Especially now that Sasuke has Itachi's eyes, it only logical that he can use Tsuko. Thats probably why Madara want them.

Bruh it affected sasuke but it didnt affect killer bee at all. The n**** just got up like shit didnt happen.


People are really ignoring the fact that three people( madara, sasuke, and itachi) would then have the same exact ms techs. There would be no uniqueness in them.


All of them have sharingan genjutsu but only itachi has tsukuyomi. The name really matter. sasuke sayin sharingan genjutsu instead of tsukuyomi is like sayin its two different techs which it is

It was a MS genjutsu which was supposed to stop bee's movement.
Only reason Kakashi was nearly brain dead was because Itach used the particular tsuko genjutsu which is called Grasping Moon which controls time and space.

Gai and Rock Lee practically are the same. So there goes uniqueness. Not to mention the Hyuuga, and all the other clans who have the same exact powers.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

So from what you said, it would make sense to say that if you had control over space/time, you could lengthen a genjutsu to a level of tsukuyomi. so by logic if minato or tobirama got the MS of obito and they mix it up with their knowledge of space and time, they could create a tsukuyomi or a defence to a tsukuyomi

No, because FTG requires seals. Completely differ than genjutsu. Also, FTG is classified as S/T because it involves teleportation, not time. If Time jutsu and Space jutsu were separated, then FTG would only be listed under Space. Dont take thing too literal

 

[Hori]

Izuna had tsukoyomi U_U

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

the level of proficiency that itachi has with the tech makes it tsukiyomi sasuke doesn't have that

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Izuna had tsukoyomi U_U

yup. tsukoyomi is the name of ms genjutsu. Grasping Moon is the name of the MS genjutsu which controls time and space,

 

[Gerkak]

Here we go again. Sasuke doesn't have tsukuyomi because he has not shown its most important feature. Time manipulation. The only difference between tsukuyomi and other MS genjutsu is time manipulation simple as that. Unless time is being manipulated we can never classify any MS genjutsu as tsukuyomi.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

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This explains it well. Yea, its wiki, but honestly, Wiki has more credibility than anyone on this forum, especially since so many people use it for info, rather than coming to Narutobase, which is full of biased opinions (mostly), fanboys,

It explains that Tsukuyomi is a MS tech that one unlocks when MS is awoken. But that Itachi has gotten so good with it, that he is able to control time and space within it. If you have heard the english Dub of sasuke VS Danzo, Danzo also states that Sasuke's tsukoyomi is nowhere as good as Itachi's. Yea its anime, but that fight was canon. VIZ probably has that trasnlation as well.

Thing is, people, dont take things so literal, and use some common sense.

 

[the last uchiha]

itachi's genjutsu is on another level, its not a normal genjutsu , unbreakable hence it not being called genjutsu
its a complete new jutsu same gatogory but higher tier. the only reason sasukes genjutsu could work with itachi tsukiyomi
is because they are blood relativs and plus itachi mind raped sasuke so many times that sasuke became emune

 

[l3m0npl3dg3]

also itachi didn't use tsukiyomi on sasuke during their last fight it showed none of the real characteristics of the realm he creates or manipulation of time just a genjutsu showing him getting his eye plucked out

 

[Wabbit]

Indeed Tsukoyomi is an MS genjutsu hence it is casted with MS..but you cant say other genjutsu as Tsukoyomi.
IMO it is just an MS genjutsu if it cant control S/T;by controlling S/T it means that it should be an instant in real world and hence leave the victim in torments...
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This explains it well. Yea, its wiki, but honestly, Wiki has more credibility than anyone on this forum, especially since so many people use it for info, rather than coming to Narutobase, which is full of biased opinions (mostly), fanboys,

It explains that Tsukuyomi is a MS tech that one unlocks when MS is awoken. But that Itachi has gotten so good with it, that he is able to control time and space within it. If you have heard the english Dub of sasuke VS Danzo, Danzo also states that Sasuke's tsukoyomi is nowhere as good as Itachi's. Yea its anime, but that fight was canon. VIZ probably has that trasnlation as well.

Thing is, people, dont take things so literal, and use some common sense.

lame..when was wiki ever solid proof..It is created and edit by users like us..It says Obito has water affinity because he uses wood stayle.was obito ever used suiton? Wiki is not reliable.It makes assumption.Post manga facts.

 

[XxLapizxLazulixX]

Even Madara and Obito have tsukuyomi. Which is why they need to be the Juubi's host in order to have enough power to use their Mangekyou on the moon to reflect tsukoyomi on the world.
They may not be able to make 72 hours in 2 mins like itachi can.

LIKE I keep saying.
They way Sasuke is pro at amaterasu is the same way Itachi is pro at Tsukoyomi.

If sasuke were to go head to head against itachi in tsukoyomi battle, Itachi would win because his tsukoyomi is greater, as Danzo stated

If they went head to head in amaterasu, Sasuke would win because sasuke has a greater ablity with it.

Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi BOTH are sharingan techs that need to be unlocked to achive Susanoo.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Even Madara and Obito have tsukuyomi. Which is why they need to be the Juubi's host in order to have enough power to use their Mangekyou on the moon to reflect tsukoyomi on the world.
They may not be able to make 72 hours in 2 mins like itachi can.

LIKE I keep saying.
They way Sasuke is pro at amaterasu is the same way Itachi is pro at Tsukoyomi.

If sasuke were to go head to head against itachi in tsukoyomi battle, Itachi would win because his tsukoyomi is greater, as Danzo stated

If they went head to head in amaterasu, Sasuke would win because sasuke has a greater ablity with it.

Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi BOTH are sharingan techs that need to be unlocked to achive Susanoo.

I agree with everything except bolded part.

I think you went overboard with Obito as there is nothing to prove that.

 

[Da Best Ever]

u failed this thread and solo'd your own thread because none of those scans where sasuke uses a genjutsu does it say tsukoayami it always says sharingan genjutsu...even when they were both together and both used genjutsu it says tsukoyami when itachi uses it and says ms genjutsu when sasuke uses it...i dnt think kishi will make it more blatantly clear that sasuke doesnt have tsukoyami....



also kishi has given sasuke and itachi better ms jutsu than each other....like how both have amaterasu but sasuke has elevated that to blaze release, and which further proves sasuke doesnt have tsukoyami, sasuke and itachi both have ms genjutsu but itachi elevate his to tsukoyami just like sasuke went from amateras to blaze release

 

[Da Best Ever]

I agree with everything except bolded part.

I think you went overboard with Obito as there is nothing to prove that.

well technically not since obito was going to go forth with project tsuki no me by himself so he had to have tsukoaymi....u probably dnt think so only because u think nobody's is on itachi' level true but obito and madara can have weaker versions of tsukoyami than itachi which would make sense because they excel at other things better than him and vice versa

 

[the last uchiha]

Even Madara and Obito have tsukuyomi. Which is why they need to be the Juubi's host in order to have enough power to use their Mangekyou on the moon to reflect tsukoyomi on the world.
They may not be able to make 72 hours in 2 mins like itachi can.

LIKE I keep saying.
They way Sasuke is pro at amaterasu is the same way Itachi is pro at Tsukoyomi.

If sasuke were to go head to head against itachi in tsukoyomi battle, Itachi would win because his tsukoyomi is greater, as Danzo stated

If they went head to head in amaterasu, Sasuke would win because sasuke has a greater ablity with it.

Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi BOTH are sharingan techs that need to be unlocked to achive Susanoo.

your wrong, madara and obito have genjutsu not tsukiyomi. madara needed to be hooked up to the gedo mazou in order to get even close to itachis tsukiyomi.... ITACHI IS THE ONLY ONE WITH TSUKIYOMI,,,,, SASUKE MAY SOMEDAY REACH TSUKIYOMI LEVEL