[Discussion] Manga Fact Black Zetsu lied

[davidou]

Well, According to the databook that uzumaki came from hagoromo.
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The Konoha Senju Clan and the Uzushio Vortex Clan are ninjas of distant blood relation…
千手一族の遠縁(とうえん)にあたるう ずまき一族も、六道仙人の一跡(いっ� �� ��き)にあたるとい えるだろう。
The Vortex Clan, a distant relative of the Senju Clan, could also be said to be a lineage of the Rikudou Hermit

I wonder which one of his sons they came from.

According to that strange traduction.
It says : Uzumaki is a distant relative of the Senju clan , and could be said to be from the lineage of Hagoromo.
Why doesn't it say: Uzumaki is a distant relative of the Senju clan , and is from the lineage of Hagoromo?

I doubt that this traduction is perfect , do you have a link so that I can fight against my deny?

 

[Honord Sage]

When did I say close cousins? I specifically said distantly related. Whether they are distantly related or not, they share DNA. Are you denying this fact? I don't believe the Uzumaki are direct descendants of Ashura, but I do believe Uzumaki do share some heritage with Senju, meaning they share DNA and thus are related, distantly of course.



Its time to squash the bug. Distantly related and direct descendants are two completely different animals. You likely don't get this because direct bloodlines [descendants] don't really exist in the real world. Direct bloodline basically means you are the offspring of 2 parents that are part of the same lineage. This would be likened to both your father and mother being related, like cousins for instance. Obviously mankind has learned over time that marrying your cousin can cause mutations in your DNA, and this is why these practices don't regularly exist.

In the world of Naruto, clans are of the same bloodline. This means that all adults in the Uchiha clan were some form of cousin, be it distant or not, so they were all directly related. Considering the fact that Uzumaki and Senju do not share a clan name, that means they are not directly related. What it means is that the Uzumaki clan was an offshoot of a Senju marrying outside the clan.

Its like this, a Senju marries outside the clan and has children. These children also marry outside the clan, beginning to separate their own heritage from the Senju. Over time, this new family unit breaks off but then grows large enough that their immediate relations begin interbreeding. At that point they have created their own clan. That clan was the Uzumaki. At this point, they are related to the Senju but are not 100% Senju. Neither are they directly descended from Ashura, while the Senju are.

And you’re forgetting Uzumaki are specialist and Senju are Generalist,thats why theirs only one Senju left but the Uzumaki can be easily be identify by their Uniq Chakra. It takes a combine DNA from a Senju and an Uchiha to gain the Rinnegan and the DNA required to hold the Juubi but only an Uzumaki DNA to do the same job. No Senju or Uchiha can Host Kurama only an Uzumaki can. What dose all this they says about the Uzumaki? That the Uzumaki can’t have come from the Senju instead that the Uzumaki are closer to Kaguya Clan than the Senju and Uchiha who even Madara and Obito commented are water down and its why the Rinnegan and other abilities of the SO6P and His brother have become hard to regain by the Senju and the Uchiha sines their DNA has separated so much from the Source and the Uzumaki has stayed so close to it. Sasuke got Senju DNA from Kabuto Naruto did not get Senju nor Uchiha DNA to used Hagoromo’s power because the Uzumaki DNA can handle it without Senju and Uchiha DNA proving Uzumaki DNA is Older than Senju and Uchiha DNA. Think about that.

 

[Floydical]

And you’re forgetting Uzumaki are specialist and Senju are Generalist,thats why theirs only one Senju left but the Uzumaki can be easily be identify by their Uniq Chakra. It takes a combine DNA from a Senju and an Uchiha to gain the Rinnegan and the DNA required to hold the Juubi but only an Uzumaki DNA to do the same job. No Senju or Uchiha can Host Kurama only an Uzumaki can. What dose all this they says about the Uzumaki? That the Uzumaki can’t have come from the Senju instead that the Uzumaki are closer to Kaguya Clan than the Senju and Uchiha who even Madara and Obito commented are water down and its why the Rinnegan and other abilities of the SO6P and His brother have become hard to regain by the Senju and the Uchiha sines their DNA has separated so much from the Source and the Uzumaki has stayed so close to it. Sasuke got Senju DNA from Kabuto Naruto did not get Senju nor Uchiha DNA to used Hagoromo’s power because the Uzumaki DNA can handle it without Senju and Uchiha DNA proving Uzumaki DNA is Older than Senju and Uchiha DNA. Think about that.

Its not required to be an Uzumaki just to be Kurama's Jinchuurinki. Think about all the other Jins, they aren't Uzumaki. Its simply the best candidate to be a host, but not a requirement.

Where are you getting your information that Uzumaki predated Senju? Where is it stated that Uzumaki are closer to the Sage? All evidence points to the fact that Uzumaki branched from the Senju sometime after the sage's time. Your whole post is full of gross assumptions.

 

[Honord Sage]

Its not required to be an Uzumaki just to be Kurama's Jinchuurinki. Think about all the other Jins, they aren't Uzumaki. Its simply the best candidate to be a host, but not a requirement.

Where are you getting your information that Uzumaki predated Senju? Where is it stated that Uzumaki are closer to the Sage? All evidence points to the fact that Uzumaki branched from the Senju sometime after the sage's time. Your whole post is full of gross assumptions.

The Manga clearly states only Uzumaki can hold Kurama’s chakra.Evidence only Mito Uzumaki,Kushina Uzumaki and Naruto Uzumaki have ben the Host of Kurama no Senju or Uchiha have ever ben Host thats a Manga fact,Fact two the First Hokage ask for an Uzumaki to be Kurama Host not Himself nor any Senju or Uchiha. There 3rd Hokage and Mito ask for a noter Uzumaki to Host Kurama Kushina Uzumaki and Minato the 4th Hokage sealed Kurama in Naruto and no one else only the chakra of an Uzumaki can handle Kurama and this are Hard Manga Facts that are beyond disputed.Outside of the Uzumaki only the SO6P has Hosted Kurama that right their tells you that The Uzumaki DNA is closer to the SO6P THAN THE Senju and Uchiha,thou sines the Senju began mating outside their Clan others in the Village might have Senju DNA in them to some degree but Tsunade is recognized as the last Living Senju. But Naruto and Sasuke have keep the Uzumaki and Uchiha Clan living for at lest one more generation in their children even if in Sasuke case the Uchiha Bloodline has ben watered down by Sakura Wille the Uzumaki bloodline has ben enhance with the Hyuga Bloodline with the joining of Hagoromo and Hamura Bloodline Boruto and His Sister can bring more power to both Clans.