[Game] Mafia game 11x4 aka game #44

[Haze_with_a_Z]

Not thrilled with that lynch of Daedalus.
I want to look at how the Daedalus wagon formed rather than just who was on it.
@Alexis2282AE @Rej can you walk through your thought process on that vote?

I'm not either but I thought daed was towny and then due to the lack of votes it felt like a shrug vote. It probably was not for those people I just dont like their votes.

 

[Haze_with_a_Z]

I totally am getting the vibes that alexis is just like driving everyone along and is secretly evil but I don't feel confident enough to jump on that train.

 

[Haze_with_a_Z]

I thought I already did. Would've switched to Ekko if I still had time.

Isn't it a very fast thing to switch?

I've determined part of what makes alexis seem like they are fleecing us(I think this is the right word) is they quote the same post in like 10 different messages and it makes it annoying to follow along(also I didn't realize I have to expand the quote sometimes to see what they are talking about)

 

[Haze_with_a_Z]

So I was trying to analyze D1 and here's what I found:
Ekko voted Alexis at the beginning and was not enthused by Daedalus lynch direction.
Fuji voted Konno, then Bradland.
Daedalus voted Rej.
Bradland voted Gutsy.
Gutsy had tiny scum lean on Fuji and Daedalus. Wasn't against Daedalus wagon, but wanted to see stronger reasoning than just vibes.
@Gutsy please elaborate more on why you had tiny scum lean on Fuji and wasn't against daedalus lynch on D1
Haze doesn't see Daedalus as scum and sees Fuji as town.
Elmage voted Gutsy and what's strange is that he asked Gutsy about his thoughts on Daedalus before the EOD.
Lucidus was sus on Fuji and voted Fuji.
@Lucidus please explain your sus on Fuji and give reasoning for it
The more interesting part is that Alexis voted Ekko first. After Daedalus appears, he then immediately votes Daedalus. Right after Alexis votes Daedalus, an hour later Rej appears and votes Daedalus basically for the same reasoning as Alexis and doesn't give his own reasoning per se. Before EOD, Alexis asks Elmage to vote Daedalus.

Why did you @Alexis2282AE ask Elmage to vote Daedalus with literally just minutes left before EOD?
What were your reasoning on voting Daedalus except for basically saying that Daedalus always plays scummy and you didn't like his appearance in the thread?

@Rej here you mention that you are sheeping Alexis and voting Daedalus too but you want to give a good reasoning for it. But you do NOT mention your reasoning?

@Rej @Alexis2282AE please give me your actual reasons why you voted for Daedalus

I don't understand why reads on fuji matter for reading people now. Like I understand fuji's reads but I don't understand benefits of wolves killing someone they call town vs scum. I did think everyone had fuji town til now though tbh so I do appreciate that beinig here so I can see.

 

[Haze_with_a_Z]

Wolves took out Fuji cause he was an actual threat. I am going to look at his posts and try to find those cuddly wolves.

Do you know fuji? Otherwise this seems very out of left field.

 

[Haze_with_a_Z]

Namely it feels too serious/intense for the game if not.

 

[Haze_with_a_Z]

@Lucidus I can't remember a thing you have said and forgot about you til ace mentioned you

 

[Rohan]

Do you know fuji? Otherwise this seems very out of left field.

He is an experienced mafia host and player.

 

[Michelle]

@Tiara replaces @Gutsy

Do not discuss substitutions!

 

[Tiara]

Hello. I read up later.

 

[Rej]

Hiho guys, sry for being late to the party. Let me smoke one up and then see where we go from here.

 

[Rej]

Not thrilled with that lynch of Daedalus.
I want to look at how the Daedalus wagon formed rather than just who was on it.
@Alexis2282AE @Rej can you walk through your thought process on that vote?

Yes, he was full of excuses, that's why the votes initially fell on him. IIrc he wasn't really making reads or cases to help his situation.

Overall I am also unsatisfied with the lynch, because I would like to have some good alternatives, but I couldn't gauge if Gutsy for example was a better switch or not. And idk if anyone would have eventually pushed someone else with me.

So yeah, the reason I stay was a) Alexis and b) I personally had a bad time finding someone alternative to jump to. I also wasn't too available around EoD sadly.

But yeah that's why I was on that wagon by the end.

I also think Alexis is not to blame, he was willing to switch off and communicated it a few times iirc. So that's that.

 

[Rej]

As far as suspects, I'd like to hear more from @Alexis2282AE and @Rej today since they are the ones who voted Daedalus in the poll.

I’m looking at how the Daedalus wagon formed and what happened overnight.
Alexis being widely townread is interesting given that flip.
I'm not saying I'm suspecting Alexis or Rej, btw

Let's hypothetically say it was two townies lynching off another townie, which sometimes is just a common thing to happen.
Two views of townyness clashing against another.

Where would you go from there?

Ofc you can think both ways, it is always better to think both ways and keep your options there.

 

[Rej]

So I was trying to analyze D1 and here's what I found:
Ekko voted Alexis at the beginning and was not enthused by Daedalus lynch direction.
Fuji voted Konno, then Bradland.
Daedalus voted Rej.
Bradland voted Gutsy.
Gutsy had tiny scum lean on Fuji and Daedalus. Wasn't against Daedalus wagon, but wanted to see stronger reasoning than just vibes.
@Gutsy please elaborate more on why you had tiny scum lean on Fuji and wasn't against daedalus lynch on D1
Haze doesn't see Daedalus as scum and sees Fuji as town.
Elmage voted Gutsy and what's strange is that he asked Gutsy about his thoughts on Daedalus before the EOD.
Lucidus was sus on Fuji and voted Fuji.
@Lucidus please explain your sus on Fuji and give reasoning for it
The more interesting part is that Alexis voted Ekko first. After Daedalus appears, he then immediately votes Daedalus. Right after Alexis votes Daedalus, an hour later Rej appears and votes Daedalus basically for the same reasoning as Alexis and doesn't give his own reasoning per se. Before EOD, Alexis asks Elmage to vote Daedalus.

Why did you @Alexis2282AE ask Elmage to vote Daedalus with literally just minutes left before EOD?
What were your reasoning on voting Daedalus except for basically saying that Daedalus always plays scummy and you didn't like his appearance in the thread?

@Rej here you mention that you are sheeping Alexis and voting Daedalus too but you want to give a good reasoning for it. But you do NOT mention your reasoning?

@Rej @Alexis2282AE please give me your actual reasons why you voted for Daedalus

"Additionally to that, he really seems to be looking for some LHF to focus the fire on, before he gets railed as a wagon."

That was actually my good reasoning, besides the sheeping Alexis thing. lol In all honesty it is a very mid reasoning, it's partially a deflect and it was very weak. BUT, for a few pages into the game, it was almost good enough lmao.

Maybe I took an unjustified shot at Daedalus...if that's the case, just another lesson for me atp lol

 

[Rej]

Elmage vs Alexis is interesting, I am not sheeping Alexis this time. I'd rather go and reevaluate their interaction. But alas give me a bit time to do so.

Rohan had a towny approach this DP, there NEEDS to come more now boi. Show us some finds.

 

[Rej]

vote @Haze_with_a_Z

This game I have a harder time finding Haze as town. It is still an option, but I think I need to dig more.

Sry Haze, but this will help us to get more opinions and more dynamics.

 

[Rej]

I'm not either but I thought daed was towny and then due to the lack of votes it felt like a shrug vote. It probably was not for those people I just dont like their votes.

I totally am getting the vibes that alexis is just like driving everyone along and is secretly evil but I don't feel confident enough to jump on that train.

In am 50/50 on these posts. They "could" come from a wolves tmi.

At the other hand I can sympathize a bit with the second post here. I am curious, are some posts or behaviour pattern of Alexis striking you especially? Could you quote/enforce some more thoughts on him?

The reason I say I am syphatizing here, is because I know Alexis is a complicated player and he can be spammy and pushy most of the times. That's like how he plays and it often causes controversies.

My main point is here that farming interactions with Alexis is probably the way to solve his slot more, which we should afford by now, or else the game sinks into chaos. Unless Alexis is a real hit and we are missing out on this.

 

[Rej]

Do you know fuji? Otherwise this seems very out of left field.

Yes he knows Fuji, I get your concern and I like that you are investigating this. The less follow up comming from Rohan, the worse it looks for him.

Namely it feels too serious/intense for the game if not.

@Lucidus I can't remember a thing you have said and forgot about you til ace mentioned you

this two posts are sadly nothingburgers and they come as follow ups.

 

[Rej]

Vote Lynch Bradland

Yolo.

hmmmmm

 

[Rej]

Readwise I have a feeling that alot of people could profit from a Fuji death here.