[Game] Mafia game 11x4 aka game #44

[Alexis2282AE]

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That's all you're going to respond!? I asked a few questions earlier about your reasoning on Daedalus. I’d like a direct answer please.

Okay.

 

[Konno]

Okay.

Thank you

 

[Alexis2282AE]

I'll do that after I respond to Ace.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

Never mind. I can do it now.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

Can you walk through your thought process on that vote of Daedalus?

He was acting unusual, or at least I saw it that way based on the method I use to read him.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

@Alexis2282AE You're making the same mistake as @Gutsy however, unlike him, we've never played before so I'll explain just one more time. My activity is usually low D1, that's how I play, I try to establish a few players leaning town, it's easier than scum hunting. As long as I don't see something suspicious, I don't necessarily go looking for it.
If I do see something off (in this case, Gutsy) I vote the person and attempt to initiate a convo with them. @Gutsy didn't respond.

If you need to understand my playstyle, you could have just asked for my past games but you didn't. Just like @Gutsy didn't. The difference is Gutsy should know this, given that we've played before especially since @Rej made it a point to mention it in that game because I was (unusually) a bit more active that game. So his statement about my playstyle being concerning, and then not following up by trying to interact with me is the reason I voted for him. I believe I mentioned this reason, but it seems that went right over your head, or perhaps you chose to conveniently ignore it.


It's intuition, based off their posts, I don't need to write a 100 page essay about why I lean town on them except it's necessary.


Answered above, and in my previous post after voting him.


This is false. We simply didn't have any interaction


This is also misleading, I don't make unnecessary posts, so NOT posting is basically the same as "I don't know" or haven't looked, because simply stating that doesn't provide any information useful to town


You seem more like the fraud, your tunnel vision almost seem forced.


Again, false. I specifically mentioned that fact that Gutsy should know my playstyle



Clap for yourself, you commentary on my post is inspiring! This is NAI and you bringing in up doesn't do anything, it might as well be spam posts


False again.


While I'm still suspicious of Gutsy, the players I trust seem to lean town on him, so I decided to unvote so I can interact with him more D2. I stated this in my post! Am I speaking Spanish or something?

I asked about Daed because I had no thoughts on him, I wanted to get some thoughts from @Rej who I'm leaning town on, he also voted Daed.

Lucidus? He's just salty from the last game we played because I pressured him D1


What I find concerning is you didn't try to interact with my D1 at all, you were even pushing me to vote Daed at Eod, didn't have any thoughts on me as well, and now you're expecting me to find a single post robotic? Clap for yourself again


You're expecting deep engagement D1? All you did was try to get Daed lynched D1, you look the scumy one in my book

I never said anything about you being inactive. It was the specific pattern of your engagement. What you chose to engage with and what you chose to avoid.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

I asked about Daed because I had no thoughts on him, I wanted to get some thoughts from @Rej who I'm leaning town on, he also voted Daed.

You just confirmed the entire case.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

My point was that your brain failed to generate a Daedalus read because you already knew his alignment, and a mind with pre-existing knowledge doesn't generate organic curiosity about settled questions.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

It's intuition, based off their posts, I don't need to write a 100 page essay

The case didn't ask for a 100-page essay. It asked for any specificity at all. "Konno's response to the early wagon felt natural". That's one sentence. "Rej's questioning of Brad seemed genuine". One sentence. The complete absence of even one specific justification for THREE town reads isn't about length. It's about the difference between reads that were derived (town, you watched, you felt something, you can point to it) and reads that were placed (wolf, you already knew, so you put the name in the column and moved on).

 

[Alexis2282AE]

We simply didn't have any interaction

You don't need to interact with someone to have thoughts about them. You're reading the thread. You're watching Daedalus get wagoned. The entire thread is providing you with information about Daedalus. The idea that you need direct interaction to form an opinion is absurd on its face and contradicted by your own behavior. You formed town reads on Konno, Rej, and Fujishiro, and there's no evidence of extensive direct interaction with any of them either.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

NOT posting is basically the same as 'I don't know'

Very, very strange way of thinking.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

@Konno Answered a question.

 

[Alexis2282AE]

All you did was try to get Daed lynched D1, you look the scumy one in my book

You cannot have no thoughts about someone and have the thought that pushing them is scummy.

 

[Konno]

He was acting unusual, or at least I saw it that way based on the method I use to read him.

What is that method?

 

[Alexis2282AE]

What is that method?

Whenever I think he's unusually more aware of what he thinks he's doing right or wrong.

 

[Konno]

Whenever I think he's unusually more aware of what he thinks he's doing right or wrong.

He was acting unusual, or at least I saw it that way based on the method I use to read him.

“Unusual based on your method” doesn’t really tell us what Daedalus actually did that was scum-motivated.
Can you point to a specific post or moment where you thought he was trying to advance a scum agenda and where you felt that “increased awareness”?

 

[Alexis2282AE]

“Unusual based on your method” doesn’t really tell us what Daedalus actually did that was scum-motivated.
Can you point to a specific post or moment where you thought he was trying to advance a scum agenda and where you felt that “increased awareness”?

His entrance post (s).

 

[Rohan]

His entrance post (s).

You should put all content in one post.

 

[Haze_with_a_Z]

Typed up a 4,500-word case for 2 hours straight after Daedalus died, so I'll just segment it here.

Why and why?
Namely why write it after Daed died and why bother posting it here if it won't matter anymore?

 

[Haze_with_a_Z]

Yes I forgot eod was 4pm and then remembered after eod yesterday to check back so that is slightly mb but it wouldnta changed anything