[Game] Mafia game 11x4 aka game #44

[Daedalus]

Brad is my biggest question mark right now. The vote on me felt kind of placed without much reasoning. If you think I belong in that mafia pool, I would like to understand why specifically. @bradland

They're a good player as both alignments, same with Fuji.

 

[Gutsy]

They're a good player as both alignments, same with Fuji.

I get that, but I’m asking about this game specifically.
What have I done in this thread that makes him or anyone else think I could be scum?

 

[Daedalus]

I haven't seen anything specifically. Perhaps they think your activity might've been alignment indicative?

 

[Gutsy]

That’s fair. I’d rather hear it directly from the person who made the read though.

 

[Daedalus]

That’s fair. I’d rather hear it directly from the person who made the read though.

I understand. GTH would you go brad or Ekko as the target lynch today?

 

[Gutsy]

I would probably go Brad right now.

Mostly because I still do not feel like I have gotten a clear reason for being in that mafia pool. Ekko at least is actively pushing and applying pressure, even if I am unsure on him.

That said, I am not fully locked in. I would like to see how both of them develop a bit more before hard committing.

 

[Elmage G Ace]

There's something about Gutsy's interaction in this game that has me concerned. I'll have to go through his posts to confirm. For now, I'll leave me vote with him
Vote @Gutsy

 

[Elmage G Ace]

Just caught up properly.

Main thing I’m noticing is the Daed wagon picking up a lot of momentum off tone and “LHF” arguments. I’m not against it, but I’d like to hear clearer reasoning beyond “he always plays scummy.”

Brad, can you explain your vote on me a bit more? You said there’s mafia in me/Konno/Elmage, what specifically puts me there? I dont see the reasoning for this.

Elmage, you said you don’t really scumhunt D1. How do you think town benefits from that approach?

I’m currently leaning:

• Town: Konno
• Slight town: Rej
• Unsure: Ekko
• Concerned: Elmage / Brad

Still sorting Daed.

Please let us know your thought on Daed when you're done sorting. Preferably before EOD.

I'd normally give you the benefit of the doubt since this is your second game, but I also played in your first, and I did mention something similar then, since I was a bit more active D1 in that game because of how important my role was (I also thought I'd probably be a night target), and @Rej made a remark about me being more active that ususal as town.

My activity D1 is quite known, so the fact that you're concerned about that but didn't attempt to find out from my past games or from those I've played with seems to be either lazy, or scumy.

That being said, I get that you're still getting a feel for your playstyle as well, but it's easier to establish a town core D1 than lynch scum

 

[Rej]

alo alo I am back, how's the time looking like? we have two votes on Gutsy, he also made alot of thought out posts. I can't really read that but people with strong presences and strong reads are always dangerous people.
I wanna see how he moves the game forward tho.

 

[Rej]

a bit less than 3 hours left. I can see a Brad angle too from Gutsy, but I am not too sure about it

tbh I am not sure with any lynch rn

 

[Rej]

@bradland did we by any chance play together on syndicate or so? I don't remember much of the games there unfortunately, like if it comes to meta or what exactly happened there. So if there is anything to go by or help me remember some things.

 

[Rej]

@Ekkologix who you wanna lynch besides Konno? I don't think Konno is the way tbh

 

[Lucidus]

Please let us know your thought on Daed when you're done sorting. Preferably before EOD.

I'd normally give you the benefit of the doubt since this is your second game, but I also played in your first, and I did mention something similar then, since I was a bit more active D1 in that game because of how important my role was (I also thought I'd probably be a night target), and @Rej made a remark about me being more active that ususal as town.

My activity D1 is quite known, so the fact that you're concerned about that but didn't attempt to find out from my past games or from those I've played with seems to be either lazy, or scumy.

That being said, I get that you're still getting a feel for your playstyle as well, but it's easier to establish a town core D1 than lynch scum

I haven't had a solid look through everything yet, but lets address this just for a moment.

You are leaning on Gutsy because of certain interactions as you call it. Can you specify these interactions exactly and give an analysis of your thought process here.

Lets take the last game into account. You hard pressed me and convinced many town as well as mafia to turn my way, I lived through sheer luck at the time and when I did eventually die it was confirmed I was a basic townie.

Going by your last game you seem to lock in to one person and press but not really give a whole lot of reasons for this. Of course I am only going by your last game since that is the only one I have played with you and it was for very little time.

This being said. I have seen quite a few of Gutsy's posts. He is starting to take what could be called as 'Town Lead' at least from my view. I have seen first hand how this can turn out from how Waluigi played this who took the lead and turned out to be a Wolf.

While I am not yet convinced of Gutsy's role I will be keeping a close eye on him so if you can give me a run down on your thought process on why you have a suspicious feeling towards him that would be very helpful

 

[Rej]

@Haze_with_a_Z did you rand wolf this game?

 

[Lucidus]

Not Town.

Vote lynch EkkoLoJinx.

Town.

Because I think wolves are more likely to put a focus on what they will do, as opposed to being in the moment.

Also feels like performative nonchalance.

It also doesn't fit your personality type to use the word "carry" as opposed to just saying you'll support someone.

@Ekkologix Thought experiment.

I am mafia. You're town. Why would I care about getting you (town) lynched over Konno (town), or over Rej, (town)? Why stick my neck out? What do I gain?

Thought I already did?

No?

Support implies agency, carry implies helplessness.

I never said you told me to carry you, I just said carry.

So this whole thing seems like a damn mess going through the thread.

I think I touched on this much earlier when I had the time but lets go over this again.

First couple posts and Alexis is already making hard calls. While scummy it is townie behavior. Why is it townie behavior? This kind of 'jumping the gun' type of play attracts attention. The wrong kind of attention. Should you be wrong about your vote this early on, which if you were a wolf then you would obviously be wrong, then it incites people to target you which is a poor play. This is not greatly thought out. You could also be doing this to incite communication from others and incite a response from Ekko. All valid things to do despite being a scummy way to do things.

For this reason you come across as very very town. I won't take activity into account much in this game since I know we all lead busy lives. You seem to have some history with Ekko's game play, while I only have my last game to work off in this regard. So far there isn't much difference and Ekko was not a threat back then. So to me they are still a neutral presence, but your comment has put them on my radar to keep a close eye on.

Overall, while messy, you don't seem like a wolf to me, although do be a bit more considerate on voting so we can avoid as many town lynches if possible T-T This was legit how Waluigi got us last time along with the other wolves.

Right now, on my view list

Gutsy - undecided (More in depth reads and analyzing behavior, but nothing too troublesome is standing out right now.)
Elmage - Comes across as an experienced player, yet so far they have a tendency to zone in on someone without truly giving real evidence or reasons for there assumptions. (Townie behavior like Alexis but worth keeping an eye on)
Alexis - Almost certainly Townie as mentioned above.
Ekko - I don't see anything glaringly a problem right now, has maintained activity despite the accusations which I have seen a lot of wolves go in to hiding and hoping it gets blown over.

Fujishiro - A bit more sus, was accused of not being town, but rather than address it they bypassed it and directed the attention towards Ekko by having Alexis explaining his/her accusation towards Ekko. Then later lynch Konno without giving reasons. This seems messy to me.


Right now these are my interpretations of people. I have yet to dive in to the others just yet from what I have seen. for now though my vote will go towards Fujishiro

Vote - Lynch Fujishiro

 

[Fujishiro]

Fujishiro - A bit more sus, was accused of not being town, but rather than address it they bypassed it and directed the attention towards Ekko by having Alexis explaining his/her accusation towards Ekko. Then later lynch Konno without giving reasons. This seems messy to me.

Vote - Lynch Fujishiro

The reason I ignored Alexis calling me scum is because he does it almost every game, I was more curious about why hes going for Ekko, as for Konno I did give a reason I said I wanted them to post. Im currently voting Bradland who Im not really impressed with.

 

[Lucidus]

The reason I ignored Alexis calling me scum is because he does it almost every game, I was more curious about why hes going for Ekko, as for Konno I did give a reason I said I wanted them to post. Im currently voting Bradland who Im not really impressed with.

I see. This will be my first game with Alexis so I don't really know of their playstyle, and I am unfamiliar with yours as well. So for this reason I can only go based on the observations I see.

I am not against changing my vote but can you explain to me why bradland has your attention so far? I have not yet had the time to fully delve into the past few pages properly as I am catching up with a lot of different things on the forum since having some time to spare.

 

[Michelle]

VC

Spoiler: Poll

View results: Day 1 Votes. Who's the wrong number?

• Gutsy​

  Votes: 2 25.0%
  
  • Elmage G Ace
  • bradland

• Rej​

  Votes: 0 0.0%

• Lucidus​

  Votes: 1 12.5%
  
  • Haze_with_a_Z

• Haze with a Z​

  Votes: 0 0.0%

• Ekkologix​

  Votes: 0 0.0%

• Fujishiro​

  Votes: 1 12.5%
  
  • Lucidus

• Alexis2282AE​

  Votes: 0 0.0%

• Elmage G Ace​

  Votes: 0 0.0%

• Bradland​

  Votes: 1 12.5%
  
  • Fujishiro

• Konno​

  Votes: 1 12.5%
  
  • Ekkologix

• Daedalus​

  Votes: 2 25.0%
  
  • Rej
  • Alexis2282AE

• Unvote​

  Votes: 0 0.0%

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• Total voters
  
  8
• This poll will close: Later today at 11:00 PM.

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Spoiler: Votes posts

Vote: Gutsy

vote ludi
idk why bold is messing with the formatting of my thingie. but it feels like they are being weirdly ignored compared to other people and i want to vote someone.

apparently it is not ludi. I can read
vote lucid

There's something about Gutsy's interaction in this game that has me concerned. I'll have to go through his posts to confirm. For now, I'll leave me vote with him
Vote @Gutsy

So this whole thing seems like a damn mess going through the thread.

I think I touched on this much earlier when I had the time but lets go over this again.

First couple posts and Alexis is already making hard calls. While scummy it is townie behavior. Why is it townie behavior? This kind of 'jumping the gun' type of play attracts attention. The wrong kind of attention. Should you be wrong about your vote this early on, which if you were a wolf then you would obviously be wrong, then it incites people to target you which is a poor play. This is not greatly thought out. You could also be doing this to incite communication from others and incite a response from Ekko. All valid things to do despite being a scummy way to do things.

For this reason you come across as very very town. I won't take activity into account much in this game since I know we all lead busy lives. You seem to have some history with Ekko's game play, while I only have my last game to work off in this regard. So far there isn't much difference and Ekko was not a threat back then. So to me they are still a neutral presence, but your comment has put them on my radar to keep a close eye on.

Overall, while messy, you don't seem like a wolf to me, although do be a bit more considerate on voting so we can avoid as many town lynches if possible T-T This was legit how Waluigi got us last time along with the other wolves.

Right now, on my view list

Gutsy - undecided (More in depth reads and analyzing behavior, but nothing too troublesome is standing out right now.)
Elmage - Comes across as an experienced player, yet so far they have a tendency to zone in on someone without truly giving real evidence or reasons for there assumptions. (Townie behavior like Alexis but worth keeping an eye on)
Alexis - Almost certainly Townie as mentioned above.
Ekko - I don't see anything glaringly a problem right now, has maintained activity despite the accusations which I have seen a lot of wolves go in to hiding and hoping it gets blown over.

Fujishiro - A bit more sus, was accused of not being town, but rather than address it they bypassed it and directed the attention towards Ekko by having Alexis explaining his/her accusation towards Ekko. Then later lynch Konno without giving reasons. This seems messy to me.


Right now these are my interpretations of people. I have yet to dive in to the others just yet from what I have seen. for now though my vote will go towards Fujishiro

Vote - Lynch Fujishiro

Alexis - Ekko > Bittersweet/Daedalus > Daedalus
Ekko - Alexis > Konno >
Fuji - Konno > unvote > bradland >
Daedalus - Rej >
Rej - Daedalus
Bradland - Gutsy
Haze - Lucidus
Elmage - Gutsy
Lucidus - Fujishiro

 

[Fujishiro]

I see. This will be my first game with Alexis so I don't really know of their playstyle, and I am unfamiliar with yours as well. So for this reason I can only go based on the observations I see.

He tends to death tunnel people and form a solve of the game from the stat and he rarely changes it, I tend to basically ignore him.

I am not against changing my vote but can you explain to me why bradland has your attention so far? I have not yet had the time to fully delve into the past few pages properly as I am catching up with a lot of different things on the forum since having some time to spare.

I just dont agree with his vote on Gutsy who I think is one of my strongest town reads. At first I voted him as a Yolo move because I thought everyone posting was townie to some extent, but his posts didnt make me wanna change my vote. I think Daedalus is town as well so Im not voting either of the top wagons.

 

[Rej]

You're welcome to try. I don't honestly give a shit any more. I play the game the way I want to. I'm telling you that day one, I suck. It's been that way since I started playing. You can use all the lingo you want but it doesn't change that fact.

Ah now I remember what I wanted to reply to this post. Sry for not replying earlier, but I don't think you suck. You played well in Fuji's game where I rand mafia. It was hard to gauge your plays and what direction you would take. Ergo, I didn't knew when and if you were gonna snap at me any moment. I had some sorta respects, also cuz you were a vig Ig.

Wait, you're bittersweet/cata right? Or did I miss something. lol