[Theory] Madara's Ultimate trumpcard = a Shocking truth = Obito is Madara !!
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Haha as I suspected you just can't give any answers so let me pose even more: why if what you say is correct, Madara had no clue about Obito's kamui mechanisms, and when he tried to attack him as the Juubi Jin he said "so that's your power"? According to you he should have known everything about him since he was controlling him the whole time.
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No. That kills the entire purpose of Black Zetsu, who was to watch over Obito to make sure he did things according to plan. Technically Black Zetsu is Madara, not Obito. You're way overlooking into things this late in the series after Obito's face was revealed. Would have already come up.
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This theory is incorrect, why are you so arrogant that you won't admit you're wrong, I've seen you post this same theory many times over you didn't even add anything new, please give up and find something else to do.
And by the way Tobi=Obito, get over it. Even though you are true in a way that Obito was simply a Madara clone because he was brainwashed by him and he did everything Madara wanted him to do, he even said I walked this world as Madara, but Madara never forcefully made him his other self like you say he didn't seal his soul or anything and Itachi and Kisame were indeed fooled into thinking that Tobi=Madara the only one who wasn't completely fooled was Minato
And by the way Tobi=Obito, get over it. Even though you are true in a way that Obito was simply a Madara clone because he was brainwashed by him and he did everything Madara wanted him to do, he even said I walked this world as Madara, but Madara never forcefully made him his other self like you say he didn't seal his soul or anything and Itachi and Kisame were indeed fooled into thinking that Tobi=Madara the only one who wasn't completely fooled was Minato
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Well, Obito was not completely Madara, Wolf. He still had his variation to the plan and wanted to betray Madara, but Black Zetsu kept a constant eye on him. It would be stupid as heck if Madara created a Madara to keep an eye on Madara. Geez these people. -_-
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-dude i think you didn't read the entire thread...so let me sum it up to you plz.....the old madara died...but befor he dies , he sealed his empty shell within obito..in other words madara didn't die...let me give you an exemple...the Gedo mazo is juubi , and the 9 bijuus all are also juubi....the gedo MAZO IS THE EMPTY SHELL OF JUUBI...so when the gedo mazo goes back to its formerself...it will become the REVIVED JUUBI...madara may have used the same thecnique...now..the old madara died...but the 2nd madara or simply madara is still alive sealed within obito controling him...tobimadara has knowledge of whats going on now...but when edomadara was revived...he doesnt know shit...he doesnt even know naruto...tobimadara knows about kamuis better then rikudo madara becus he was using it when he was in obito's body...
rikudo madara now, will need the knowledge of his other part tobidara......tobi is obito+spiral zetsu+madara....the youth adult voice was obito, the funny goofy voice was spiral zetsu...and the badass old shrill voice was MADARA UCHIHA.....like how kishimoto showed us kabuto's foot but then worked hard not to make us belive that the mysterious man was in fact kabuto...he is doing the same thing with tobi's mystery....im not saying tobi isn't obito...its indeed obito...but if obito was being controlled by the 2nd madara that will be the biggest plotwist wich will make obito not dizerve the title of the badass tobi...and now tocie how kishimoto is trying to redeem obito...and when tobimadara emrge himself and declare that he was the reall tobi...obito's character will be redeemed...becuz the tobi who committed many evil incidents like uchiha massacre and mizukages manipulations was madara throught his controll on obito....and at the end...i told you i will be laughting at your stupidity...cuz now im confident that the 2nd madara will emerge...its just a matter of few chapters befor it gets revealed...i have rinnegan i can see clearly throgh kishimoto's illusion..and the more you call me stupid , the more you will look like stupid after tobimadara is revealed...unless you stop being rude then everyhting will be allright between us
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Empty shell means the body without the chakra/soul. Madara's body was dumped inside the cave for Orochimaru to eventually recover. His SOUL went to the Pure World. Both his shell and soul are accounted for. He backed up a COPY of his mind by using Yin-release to create Black Zetsu and keep Obito in line. Since he was using Black Zetsu to watch Obito, it is obvious he had his own free will. Hence why Black Zetsu called Obito a traitor. He knew he never planned to revive Madara.
the gedo mazo has some immense chakra wich saved obito...tobi was madara from the begining...and the obito reveal is just simplex part of this complicated mystery that run for 4 years...and the complex part will be revealed soon...kishimoto created a genjutsu in his manga...just badass writing (though there were fatal bullshits i have to admit)
And once again you try to change the subject instead of giving specific answers to specific questions so let me pose my qeustions once again:
1)Where the hell has it been stated that rinnei tensei can only be worked only if the user uses it on his own free will?
2)The first time Madara tried to revive himself, he clearly forced Obito into doing it and that can be seen by how his cracks were slowly disappearing, thus your whole point about free will is invaild.
3)Based on the above I'll ask you once again: why Madara didn't force Obito into reviving him right from the beginning since as I proved there is no such thing as the condition of the free will, and according to you, since Obito is just Madara's puppet then it wouldn't be posssible to go against original's madara wishes.
At the end of the day, you try to prove wrong hard manga evidence and you're the one who has to give answers to questions that I, as a sceptic, pose. I don't care about you developing your ideas about matters I don't care, that's just a clever way of yours to hide your incapacity to answer with good reasoning to the questions I pose you and because of that you try to lure me into a different subject.
And in any case most of what you said is just your own interpretation without necessarily any reasoning behind of it. For instance right from the beggining you suggest that madara sealed his shell inside of Obito? When was that stated? You throw something as a fact while it needs to be proven. And as a matter of fact let us make it a little more tasty. You used the term shell and used as example the Juubi. Indeed, the 9 beasts are what is inside of Mazo while mazo is indeed the body. However, when madara died, his dead body was left at that throne he had and at that time his body was able-bodied. Therefore when you use the term shell, what do you mean, that he just chopped his hand and stuck it into Obito's arm?
Let me make this clean, others might have believed your theory but I don't care about getting answers in generalities. You compared madara to Juubi and his body to its something that doesn't make sense based on what I said above. Either you give me specific responses or don't hope that you'll just lure me into believing you.
1)Where the hell has it been stated that rinnei tensei can only be worked only if the user uses it on his own free will?
2)The first time Madara tried to revive himself, he clearly forced Obito into doing it and that can be seen by how his cracks were slowly disappearing, thus your whole point about free will is invaild.
3)Based on the above I'll ask you once again: why Madara didn't force Obito into reviving him right from the beginning since as I proved there is no such thing as the condition of the free will, and according to you, since Obito is just Madara's puppet then it wouldn't be posssible to go against original's madara wishes.
At the end of the day, you try to prove wrong hard manga evidence and you're the one who has to give answers to questions that I, as a sceptic, pose. I don't care about you developing your ideas about matters I don't care, that's just a clever way of yours to hide your incapacity to answer with good reasoning to the questions I pose you and because of that you try to lure me into a different subject.
And in any case most of what you said is just your own interpretation without necessarily any reasoning behind of it. For instance right from the beggining you suggest that madara sealed his shell inside of Obito? When was that stated? You throw something as a fact while it needs to be proven. And as a matter of fact let us make it a little more tasty. You used the term shell and used as example the Juubi. Indeed, the 9 beasts are what is inside of Mazo while mazo is indeed the body. However, when madara died, his dead body was left at that throne he had and at that time his body was able-bodied. Therefore when you use the term shell, what do you mean, that he just chopped his hand and stuck it into Obito's arm?
Let me make this clean, others might have believed your theory but I don't care about getting answers in generalities. You compared madara to Juubi and his body to its something that doesn't make sense based on what I said above. Either you give me specific responses or don't hope that you'll just lure me into believing you.
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and even if this piece of evicdence didn't exist ...if Madara could use rinnetensei on himself he wouldve done that long time ago...
-also it bothers me how you treat some theoritic parts of my thread as true facts lol and just lol....
-you counterarguments are so weak.....also you need to calm down homie...when tobimadara emerge he will explain us why he let obito act by his free will...he will also explain us what old madara did exactly to obito's body...becuz what you forgot is that what wev'e seen was just obito's flashbacks or just the truth and how obito viewed it...obito had troubles of self identity..and bad memories due of the boulder that crushed his head..madara took advantage of this and controlled obito and told him to pose as madara...so it would be difficult for obito to reconize that he was being controlled by Madara......
- you and that uchiha smarter and few others are just victim of kishimoto's illsuion where as me my reaction is just like madara when he shruged with indiferences during juubito scene...so untill im able to give a fvck i will just sit down and laught at ur stupidity befor the tobidara gets revealed...
Lol for real that's your sole counter-argument and you say that my counter-arguments are weak? Excume but the panel you provided only proves that you don't even understand what you read. What you put in yellow only proves that one has to sacrifice his life to use rinnei tensei but where in hell does it prove that you need to use it intenionally, on your free will? This only proves that you use scans which you don't even understand what they're saying or at the very least you're hallucinating.
Also, Obito had a problem with his memory only the very first seconds after he was crushed, that's not called bad memory, it's just the shock that comes after such an experience while you awake in an unknown for you place.
Last but not least, no I don't take some of your theoritic parts and treat them as true facts; it's the other way around. You say something without any argument to back them up and try to pass them as facts in order to fit your theory. I, on the contrary empathise on the fact that these theoritic parts do need an explanation from your part and force you to support them somehow in order to see how well you can and to further see if they have any basis behind. The scan you provived to answer supposedly to what I said about rinnei tensei being capable of being used without being done by someone's free will only proves your weakness since that scan says specific things and you undertstand completely others and thus jumped into conclusions. Besides, I can't stand generalities in theories by guys who try helplessly to prove their opinions while they don't even have the necessary arguments to back them up. A prime example of that is the so called shell of yours. On the one hand you sugggest that this whole process is about somehow Madara putting his spirit in Obito and then on another instance you use that exact argument to suggest that the difference in his arm was because of that shell? So what exactly is that for you? Madara is at the same inside of Obito as a spirit yet somehow is part of his physical body as well?
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Itachi was not completely fooled. After he got brought back via edotensei, he referred to "Madara" as "Tobi" to Sasuke. So it's likely Itachi also knew he was not Madara just like Kabuto and Orochimaru knew. Minato was unsure if he was Madara but said it didnt matter who he was in the fight, he realized when he saw obito on the battlefield that it was indeed him under the mask, and that he would have been able to stop him if he had known that. Kisame saw his face, which implies he was not completely fooled at all. He referred to him as "Madara" after Obito put his mask back on.
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First off.... I like this theory
Second..... I hope it comes true...
and Third.. It prob wont because every time a fan comes up with a badass theory about the story.... kishi ends up writing something stupid.... for example (all the theories about tobi being izuna were amazing... and then story gets shit on by it being orbito)
Second..... I hope it comes true...
and Third.. It prob wont because every time a fan comes up with a badass theory about the story.... kishi ends up writing something stupid.... for example (all the theories about tobi being izuna were amazing... and then story gets shit on by it being orbito)
Great theory bro. The best one's are the least expected imo. There is some speculation over why Madara said that he is Obito and why he isnt dead yet. Black zetsu is Madara's will but Obito's will can control him too?
Wow you do have high expectations, well in the very,very, VERY unlike case, this scenarion comes true, I will be the first to congratulate you.
P.S Clever way of thinking, when you can't fight back, then stay silent till you can (if you can).
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