Madara's Rinnegan prove he is the Greatest

[Edogawa]

First you need to know what is a definition of "full power" where I think you never had any idea about it bcus you followed/took manga words too literal.

What Double Rinnegan have that Sasuke's Rinnegan lack?

Full power here mean full potential and not about eyes strength.

Example: One Rinnegan gave Madara one Limbo where Double Rinnegan gave him 4 Limbos. But there still a need of confirmation on what gave Madara three more Limbos and not one. Juubi power or the other Rinnegan.

Before I going further I want to see your answer to my question first.

Oxford dictionary

Full power: The ability or capacity to do something or act in a particular way.

Potential: Having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.

The context refers to Rinnegan's power increasing, when having two eyes instead of one. Nothing to do with potential, and I'm unsure how you arrived to that conclusion.

 

[Holy God]

VIZ is a company that directly works with the author, meaning they also receive translations from Japan to translate them in English. It's not the same as fan-made MangaPanda or ***********, or some guy on forum claiming he could read Japanese. That's why they are official.

And if you have seen the Japanese, bring me a picture, translation of it and academic source of where that translation came from

They don't necessarily work with Kishimoto. They simply translate it and add their own flavor. Just because they are the most official source (most known) does not mean they are the most accurate. I don't know what kind of academic source you're asking for, but I can read Japanese, regardless of what you think.

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[0] kata ya [1] rinnegan wo [2] kaigan shita ka

[0] = One of them
[2] = Rinnegan
[3] = awakened

Full translation - "One of them awakened the Rinnegan."

 

[Ansatsuken]

Oxford dictionary

Full power: The ability or capacity to do something or act in a particular way.

Potential: Having or showing the capacity to develop into something in the future.

The context refers to Rinnegan's power increasing, when having two eyes instead of one. Nothing to do with potential, and I'm unsure how you arrived to that conclusion.

Ok I'm using the wrong word there. To be precise "full capability."

The real context of that statement is Rinnegan user is able to access Rinnegan full capability.

Even Oxford dictionary not saying about "power increase" where in your understanding it was about power. It say "The ability or capacity to do something" and in Madara case at the time he only hold Single Rinnegan, he only able to used Limbo and PP. He still doesnt have the capability to use CT bcus of lack the other Rinnegan

If Single Rinnegan gave Madara an access to Deva Path power, he will used it without the need to get back his other Rinnegan for CT

 

[Edogawa]

They don't necessarily work with Kishimoto. They simply translate it and add their own flavor. Just because they are the most official source (most known) does not mean they are the most accurate. I don't know what kind of academic source you're asking for, but I can read Japanese, regardless of what you think.

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[0] kata ya [1] rinnegan wo [2] kaigan shita ka

[0] = One of them
[2] = Rinnegan
[3] = awakened

Full translation - "One of them awakened the Rinnegan."

''VIZ Media, LLC is a Japanese-American manga, anime, and entertainment company headquartered in San Francisco, California. It was founded in 1986 as VIZ LLC. In 2005, VIZ LLC and ShoPro Entertainment merged to form the current VIZ Media LLC, which is jointly owned by Japanese publishers Shueisha, Shogakukan, and Shogakukan-Shueisha Productions (ShoPro).'' - Yes, they fully work with the author. They publish his work and distribute it to other locations. They can't publish his manga without working with him, as that will be violation of copyrights. Kishimoto gives them the Japanese texts and they translate them exactly. They are the official. End of story.

You read Japanese? I can read Ancient Latin. :lol Evidently you have no idea what academic reference is means you've never pursued university. If you're saying you have the Japanese translation, I want a Japanese company that directly works with Kishimoto. I don't want some guy on forum claiming he could translate.

Sasuke's Rinnegan is officially one-eyed Rinnegan.

 

[Edogawa]

Ok I'm using the wrong word there. To be precise "full capability."

The real context of that statement is Rinnegan user is able to access Rinnegan full capability.

Even Oxford dictionary not saying about "power increase" where in your understanding it was about power. It say "The ability or capacity to do something" and in Madara case at the time he only hold Single Rinnegan, he only able to used Limbo and PP. He still doesnt have the capability to use CT bcus of lack the other Rinnegan

If Single Rinnegan gave Madara an access to Deva Path power, he will used it without the need to get back his other Rinnegan for CT

Capability means the same thing as power. One-eyed Rinnegan can produce one Limbo; two Rinnegan can produce 5 Limbo. Then this is a power/capability increase.

 

[Holy God]

''VIZ Media, LLC is a Japanese-American manga, anime, and entertainment company headquartered in San Francisco, California. It was founded in 1986 as VIZ LLC. In 2005, VIZ LLC and ShoPro Entertainment merged to form the current VIZ Media LLC, which is jointly owned by Japanese publishers Shueisha, Shogakukan, and Shogakukan-Shueisha Productions (ShoPro).'' - Yes, they fully work with the author. They publish his work and distribute it to other locations. They can't publish his manga without working with him, as that will be violation of copyrights. Kishimoto gives them the Japanese texts and they translate them exactly. They are the official. End of story.

You read Japanese? I can read Ancient Latin. :lol Evidently you have no idea what academic reference is means you've never pursued university. If you're saying you have the Japanese translation, I want a Japanese company that directly works with Kishimoto. I don't want some guy on forum claiming he could translate.

Sasuke's Rinnegan is officially one-eyed Rinnegan.

Complete and utter denial. I just gave you the piece by piece translation and you simply deny it. Regardless of how official VIZ is, they add their own flavor to appeal to fans while fan-subs (most) give raw translations, as I just gave you. It doesn't matter what VIZ says when Kishimoto's own Japanese contradicts it. You have the entire internet to yourself, so unless you can prove my translation (which I even provided the words in romaji) is incorrect you have no right denying me.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Capability means the same thing as power. One-eyed Rinnegan can produce one Limbo; two Rinnegan can produce 5 Limbo. Then this is a power/capability increase.

In some case the usage of one word cant be taken literally even if you tried to used and refer to Dictionary.

It has their own understanding of meaning.

Some statement used word potential as to say capability. "he not using his full potential in this game" what it mean? Capability.

 

[Edogawa]

Complete and utter denial. I just gave you the piece by piece translation and you simply deny it. Regardless of how official VIZ is, they add their own flavor to appeal to fans while fan-subs (most) give raw translations, as I just gave you. It doesn't matter what VIZ says when Kishimoto's own Japanese contradicts it. You have the entire internet to yourself, so unless you can prove my translation (which I even provided the words in romaji) is incorrect you have no right denying me.

''Academic sources, also called scholarly sources, are sources which can include books, academic journal articles, and published expert reports. The content in academic sources has usually been peer-reviewed, which means that it's been reviewed by experts on its topic for accuracy and quality before being published.''

You're not an academic source of information. VIZ is because they publish Kishimoto's work. You're a random guy on forum claiming he could translate. Stop enforcing your lies upon yourself and me.

 

[Holy God]

''Academic sources, also called scholarly sources, are sources which can include books, academic journal articles, and published expert reports. The content in academic sources has usually been peer-reviewed, which means that it's been reviewed by experts on its topic for accuracy and quality before being published.''

You're not an academic source of information. VIZ is because they publish Kishimoto's work. You're a random guy on forum claiming he could translate. Stop enforcing your lies upon yourself and me.

I went out of my way to provide proof that my translation is correct. If you fail to put this together yourself then you've clearly shown how non-self-sufficient you are.

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[Edogawa]

I went out of my way to provide proof that my translation is correct. If you fail to put this together yourself then you've clearly shown how non-self-sufficient you are.

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You're trying so hard to make others believe you can read Japanese. What's even more pitiful is you referenced Narutopedia? What a joke. Concession accepted.

 

[Holy God]

You're trying so hard to make others believe you can read Japanese. What's even more pitiful is you referenced Narutopedia? What a joke. Concession accepted.

It's rather pathetic how desperately you're clinging to try and not accept the fact that you're wrong. If that is the only thing you have a quarrel with, then here:

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Congratulations, you lose.

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

You're trying so hard to make others believe you can read Japanese. What's even more pitiful is you referenced Narutopedia? What a joke. Concession accepted.

After reading your replied posts to this thread you have presented strong factual arguments to support your claim and after processing what you wrote about I agree with you. Good facts and good sources, only people who's jimmies are rustled or they are sasuke fan's will be in complete utter denial in the face of outstanding evidence.

 

[King Of Pop]

=Edogawa;20646274]

It's a process of devolution. Rinnegan started with Rinne-Sharingan, then devolved to Rinnegan then devolved to Sharingan. The shape Madara has is the purest because it's not intact with Sharingan.
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lol using this shitty logic then the tomoed rinnegan would be placed above the one without tomoes. since its a Rinnegan as well but with added power from the sharingan. from Rinne sharingan which is rinnegan and sharingan in one, to tomoed rinnegan which is rinnegan and sharingan in one but weaker, then finally the rinnegan without tomoes and the sharingan entirely. having the tomoes would mean its better than the rinnegan without it, not weaker following your line of thinking.

so your logic goes against you if anything, because having Tomoes makes it a combined rinnegan and sharingan(Just like the eye the normal rinnegan devolved from) which by logic is better than just the rinnegan so when the tomoes are gone, then it reverts to just the rinnegan. you just shot yourself in the foot.

Fallacy: Argument from silence (argumentum ex silentio) – where the conclusion is based on the absence of evidence, rather than the existence of evidence.

ok then provide evidence that one rinnegan madara could use CT when manga shows him only using it immediately he got his other eye. he was relying on limbo all through out his clash with naruto and sasuke but uses CT when the second he gets his second eye? coincidence i think not.

Your claim that because the scenario didn't show, then it's impossible to exist. For one, Obito said that implanting one Rinnegan nearly killed him, so he's an invalid example.

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that doesnt mean he wouldnt have been able to use CT at all if he could, just that it would be on a smaller scale. and my evidence is based on madara. if he couldnt do it then neither could obito.

For two, Madara stated he could use Chibaku Tensei with one Rinnegan

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nice job not posting the full scan. he was referring to limbo, thats why he tells zetsu to

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, implying he is about to use what he just stated. with his rinnegans full power which is limbo he woudnt have to fight recklessly by charging in like he did before. thats what that whole context is saying. his rinnegans full power then would been limbo since he had only one rinnegan.

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If the Sharingan wasn't involved in the manipulation, then the Biju wouldn't have tried to attack Tobi.

simply because it momentarily broke out of obitos binding, confirmed when he later strengthened his control via pouring chakra to the

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and not through the sharingan. stop arguing this point, son goku already revealed what manipulated them so you have no leg to stand on here. sharingan wasnt involved.

Sasuke's CT is a regular Chibaku Tensei; Nagato was listed as user, so Nagato and Madara can replicate that feat. Databook is an official document, so its words are factual. Anything you try to deny will be ignored.

i never denied the databook but if you are willing to use it, then you accept sasuke can use limbo which i see you did not counter. anyways ill drop this point since i dont believe coreless CT is based on sasukes rinnegan, but sasukes superior skill in comparison to the other two.

Just by looking at your grammar, I can safely assume you're not bright at basic biology either. I think I have addressed that above, and I won't repeat it afterwards.

lol this idiotic dumbass. i already shat on your foolish devolution logic which goes against you if you had some common sense. attacking my grammar doesnt make your retarded point any more valid fool.

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no, he used outer path only as manga stated and as you can clearly see him doing in response to that bijjus attack in that scan you posted. even if i entertain your nonsense that he used the sharingan, you are missing the point. when people say sasuke can combine his sharingan with rinnegan its because his rinnegan can use sharingan powers, simple as that. obito using sharingan separately with rinnegan doesnt address the point, his rinnegan cant use sharingan powers like sasuke. thats basically it.​

 

[Ansatsuken]

After reading your replied posts to this thread you have presented strong factual arguments to support your claim and after processing what you wrote about I agree with you. Good facts and good sources, only people who's jimmies are rustled or they are sasuke fan's will be in complete utter denial in the face of outstanding evidence.

Factual arguments? There were no factual arguments done by him. At best he want to spoon feed people with his own logic where wise people know not to accept it.

What about you try to counter our arguments?

 

[UnknownJin]

I agree mostly because of Limbo.

Yeah this..

 

[Edogawa]

lol using this shitty logic then the tomoed rinnegan would be placed above the one without tomoes. since its a Rinnegan as well but with added power from the sharingan. from Rinne sharingan which is rinnegan and sharingan in one, to tomoed rinnegan which is rinnegan and sharingan in one but weaker, then finally the rinnegan without tomoes and the sharingan entirely. having the tomoes would mean its better than the rinnegan without it, not weaker following your line of thinking.

so your logic goes against you if anything, because having Tomoes makes it a combined rinnegan and sharingan(Just like the eye the normal rinnegan devolved from) which by logic is better than just the rinnegan so when the tomoes are gone, then it reverts to just the rinnegan. you just shot yourself in the foot.

Two Rinnegan at the hands of the owner brings the full power of Rinnegan. Madara's Rinnegan > Sasuke's Rinnegan as stated in the manga. End of story.

ok then provide evidence that one rinnegan madara could use CT when manga shows him only using it immediately he got his other eye. he was relying on limbo all through out his clash with naruto and sasuke but uses CT when the second he gets his second eye? coincidence i think not.

CT is either a diversion or sealing. It's not an attack-based. If you want to play with argumentum fallacy, I can play that game too. Bring me evidence that 1 eyed Madara can't use CT? I'm waiting.

that doesnt mean he wouldnt have been able to use CT at all if he could, just that it would be on a smaller scale

. and my evidence is based on madara. if he couldnt do it then neither could obito.

You just admitted he could use it. Concession accepted.

nice job not posting the full scan. he was referring to limbo, thats why he tells zetsu to watch closely for some few secs, implying he is about to use what he just stated. with his rinnegans full power which is limbo he woudnt have to fight recklessly by charging in like he did before. thats what that whole context is saying. his rinnegans full power then would been limbo since he had only one rinnegan.

Not only your grammar is piss-poor, your reading comprehension too.

-Limbo isn't the full power of Rinnegan.
-He said ''If'' which is a conditional possibility that he could use its full power limited to one.

simply because it momentarily broke out of obitos binding, confirmed when he later strengthened his control via pouring chakra to the chains and not through the sharingan. stop arguing this point, son goku already revealed what manipulated them so you have no leg to stand on here. sharingan wasnt involved.

If the manipulation was revolving all around the Rinnegan, then the Sharingan wouldn't have manifested in the Biju's eye. Sharingan manifesting on Biju's eye is evidence it's under control. Therefore, Obito combined the power of his Doujutsu like Sasuke.

i never denied the databook but if you are willing to use it, then you accept sasuke can use limbo which i see you did not counter. anyways ill drop this point since i dont believe coreless CT is based on sasukes rinnegan, but sasukes superior skill in comparison to the other two.

Concession accepted for changing the subject.

lol this idiotic dumbass. i already shat on your foolish devolution logic which goes against you if you had some common sense. attacking my grammar doesnt make your retarded point any more valid fool.

Getting salty there.

no, he used outer path only as manga stated and as you can clearly see him doing in response to that bijjus attack in that scan you posted. even if i entertain your nonsense that he used the sharingan, you are missing the point. when people say sasuke can combine his sharingan with rinnegan its because his rinnegan can use sharingan powers, simple as that. obito using sharingan separately with rinnegan doesnt address the point, his rinnegan cant use sharingan powers like sasuke. thats basically it.

I'll repeat what I what have addressed.

''If the manipulation was revolving all around the Rinnegan, then the Sharingan wouldn't have manifested in the Biju's eye. Sharingan manifesting on Biju's eye is evidence it's under control. Therefore, Obito combined the power of his Doujutsu like Sasuke.''

 

[King Of Pop]

=Edogawa;20647751]Two Rinnegan at the hands of the owner brings the full power of Rinnegan. Madara's Rinnegan > Sasuke's Rinnegan as stated in the manga. End of story.

lol changing your argument now. more like two rinnegans at the hands of those who awakened two rinnegans brings out its full power. too bad that doesnt apply to sasuke who awakened one that acts as a pair considering its feat. too bad manga shows tomoed rinnegan accessing the same power as 2 normal rinnegans. and considering the statement was "eyes show their full power once together" too bad sasuke has both of his eyes so it does not apply to him. too bad manga>>you
bold. yeah manga stated that only in madara fanboys wet dreams lol

CT is either a diversion or sealing. It's not an attack-based. If you want to play with argumentum fallacy, I can play that game too. Bring me evidence that 1 eyed Madara can't use CT? I'm waiting.

lol what?CT can be used as an attack da fuk? and even at that he could easily have used that as a diversion while he runs off to get his other eye, but he didn't.
bold. am just going to take this as a concession since you failed to provide sufficient evidence for your claim. you are the one who needs to prove it, not me.

You just admitted he could use it. Concession accepted.

and you are talking about comprehension, just lol. i didnt admit anything. if you read properly i clearly said "if he could" which was to address your point that the rinnegan wouldnt have allowed obito to use CT because it nearly killed him. that wouldnt be a factor in him being unable to use CT at all, at least a small scaled one. so my overall point was he didnt use it not because of what you said but because he just couldnt because he only had one rinnegan and madara is my evidence of that.

Not only your grammar is piss-poor, your reading comprehension too.

coming from you, this is rich

-Limbo isn't the full power of Rinnegan.

for one rinnegan madara, it is and the context shows he was referring to limbo

-He said ''If'' which is a conditional possibility that he could use its full power limited to one.

nonsense. "if" was him implying that using his full power would refine his style to the point were he wont have to rush in like he did before which he admitted to doing because he knew he had hashiramas healing. but with his full power, he would be more careful and would not have to fight like that which we clearly saw from limbo smacking all the bijjus while the real madara was at a distance, thus his style was indeed refined unlike before. meaning limbo was what he was referring to period. you saying its CT is a baseless assumption that goes against the context

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f the manipulation was revolving all around the Rinnegan, then the Sharingan wouldn't have manifested in the Biju's eye. Sharingan manifesting on Biju's eye is evidence it's under control. Therefore, Obito combined the power of his Doujutsu like Sasuke.

i already disproved this. the bijju had sharingan because the jin had one as well due to being controlled by outer path so they took obitos eyes just like peins dead bodies took nagatos eyes. the control stems from the rinnegan and rinnegan only, obito didnt combine shit. nice try though

Concession accepted for changing the subject.

lol sure, whatever

Getting salty there.

:lol

I'll repeat what I what have addressed.

''If the manipulation was revolving all around the Rinnegan, then the Sharingan wouldn't have manifested in the Biju's eye. Sharingan manifesting on Biju's eye is evidence it's under control. Therefore, Obito combined the power of his Doujutsu like Sasuke.''

addressed.

 

[Edogawa]

lol what?CT can be used as an attack da fuk? and even at that he could easily have used that as a diversion while he runs off to get his other eye, but he didn't.
bold. am just going to take this as a concession since you failed to provide sufficient evidence for your claim. you are the one who needs to prove it, not me.

Asking me why he didn't use it is irrelevant. If I used that logic of yours and I asked you this: why didn't Naruto and Sasuke use Ashura Avatar and PS against 1-eyed Madara? I don't decide what happens in the manga. You're appealing to ignorance which is no limited fallacy. It's pretty disgusting. Keep that up and you'll go on my ignore list.

Chibaku Tensei is a technique stated to either be a diversion or sealing. It's stated both official sources of the series.

and you are talking about comprehension, just lol. i didnt admit anything. if you read properly i clearly said "if he could" which was to address your point that the rinnegan wouldnt have allowed obito to use CT because it nearly killed him. that wouldnt be a factor in him being unable to use CT at all, at least a small scaled one. so my overall point was he didnt use it not because of what you said but because he just couldnt because he only had one rinnegan and madara is my evidence of that.

Appeal to ignorance is not evidence, I'm afraid. Obito can't use CT because one Rinnegan was too much for him as he said. CT isn't the full power of the Rinnegan. Madara said he could use it in that page I posted. You're free to disagree with facts if you desire, but that won't change the fact.

nonsense. "if" was him implying that using his full power would refine his style to the point were he wont have to rush in like he did before which he admitted to doing because he knew he had hashiramas healing. but with his full power, he would be more careful and would not have to fight like that which we clearly saw from limbo smacking all the bijjus while the real madara was at a distance, thus his style was indeed refined unlike before. meaning limbo was what he was referring to period. you saying its CT is a baseless assumption that goes against the context

You can't pick context with your illiteracy. Refined style of fighting means civil way of fighting. Rinnegan's full power is stated to bring destruction upon mankind. That isn't refined fighting style. Madara stated he could use the full power of the Rinnegan, but it's impossible to use its full power with one eye.

If Sasuke's CT was only unique to him, there would have a Databook page for that and explicitly says only Sasuke's Rinnegan can do that. But there wasn't. Sasuke's Rinnegan is another variant of the standard Rinnegan, but being only one eyed means it's as powerful as one standard Rinnegan. If there was, go bring a Databook page. I'm not interesting in your little theories.

i already disproved this. the bijju had sharingan because the jin had one as well due to being controlled by outer path so they took obitos eyes just like peins dead bodies took nagatos eyes. the control stems from the rinnegan and rinnegan only, obito didnt combine shit. nice try though

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