Kakashistomps
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Yess Sasuke's Rinnegan>>>>>Madara's Rinnegans that is the main Reason why Sasuke is better than Madara.
With Normal rinnegans Sasuke would beat Bijjus same way Madara did...
Madaras feat of defeating the bijuu was much better than sasukes
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With Normal rinnegans Sasuke would beat Bijjus same way Madara did...
UCHIHAKUNOICHI
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thermal detonator
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1.yes,sasukes rinnegan is better.this was never contested.
2.never said madara was better in anyway
3.except Sasuke can't use limbo or gedo mazo so that's not even possible
King Of Pop
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no and your points are garbage.
1. Rinnegan by itself is a rikudou powerup. madara beat them once he got his rinnegan
2. sasuke doesnt have sharinnegan. let alone 2. tomoed rinnegan=/=sharinnegan
3. wrong madara used gedo mazo as well making it 2 jutsu like sasuke
4. sasuke couldnt make a himself a jin due to gedo already being sealed away if not he would have done the same thing. instead he powered up his soosano with the bijjus chakra with skill on par with rikudou.
that being said, a glance(which is all sasuke required)>>>>madaras efforts. though madara also defeated bm naruto, bee alosngside the bijjus so ill give him that
1. Rinnegan by itself is a rikudou powerup. madara beat them once he got his rinnegan
2. sasuke doesnt have sharinnegan. let alone 2. tomoed rinnegan=/=sharinnegan
3. wrong madara used gedo mazo as well making it 2 jutsu like sasuke
4. sasuke couldnt make a himself a jin due to gedo already being sealed away if not he would have done the same thing. instead he powered up his soosano with the bijjus chakra with skill on par with rikudou.
that being said, a glance(which is all sasuke required)>>>>madaras efforts. though madara also defeated bm naruto, bee alosngside the bijjus so ill give him that
TheSages456
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I'm not sure how the 2 situations can even be compared.
-Sasuke used genjutsu on 9 Biju with no host.
-Genjutsu was impossible in Madara's case due to 2 Perfect Jinchuriki being around.
If you replace 9 Biju with the team that faced Madara, would Sasuke have won? Depends.
Sasuke is stronger than that version of Madara, but he doesn't have the Gedo Mazo and even if he did, he doesn't have a move that is inconspicuous like Limbo in order to create an opening to seal them.
The combined Bijudama of Kurama & Gyuuki alone produced an explosion visually comparable to the one that blew off half of Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o.
A combined Bijudama from every single Biju would logically be more than double the strength of that considering that 50% Kurama=5 Biju in chakra output and Gyuuki doesn't seem much stronger than any of the other Biju if at all going by portrayal that tails=/=power except for Kurama.
A Bijudama that produces an explosion more than twice over what blew off nearly half of Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o would logically annihilate it.
The author could simply make it survive though looking haggard or have it basically destroyed with the user unharmed if he sees a Perfect Susano'o user to be above mere Biju.
-Sasuke used genjutsu on 9 Biju with no host.
-Genjutsu was impossible in Madara's case due to 2 Perfect Jinchuriki being around.
If you replace 9 Biju with the team that faced Madara, would Sasuke have won? Depends.
Sasuke is stronger than that version of Madara, but he doesn't have the Gedo Mazo and even if he did, he doesn't have a move that is inconspicuous like Limbo in order to create an opening to seal them.
The combined Bijudama of Kurama & Gyuuki alone produced an explosion visually comparable to the one that blew off half of Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o.
A combined Bijudama from every single Biju would logically be more than double the strength of that considering that 50% Kurama=5 Biju in chakra output and Gyuuki doesn't seem much stronger than any of the other Biju if at all going by portrayal that tails=/=power except for Kurama.
A Bijudama that produces an explosion more than twice over what blew off nearly half of Sasuke's Perfect Susano'o would logically annihilate it.
The author could simply make it survive though looking haggard or have it basically destroyed with the user unharmed if he sees a Perfect Susano'o user to be above mere Biju.
Umari Senju
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Tell me how Sasuke can beat bijuu+SA with one normal rinnegan-Give him Hashi's Sage Mode and he could with his Enton clad EMS Susanoo. At this point in the story Sasuke was more than equipped to deal with multiple bijuu. Just need that Hashi regen to seal the deal on all 9 together.
Sage just gave him rinnegan.knew he was Gona revolt but didn't want him to be mad about being left out.he was appeasing a child-no Hagoromo was trying to correct his past mistakes by offering Naruto and Sasuke equal power instead of just one successor which creates animosity between Indra/Ashura incarnates.
Madara spent his whole life trying to gain rinnegan vs getting a hand out.-this is true but not Sasuke's fault he's 16 and Madara was like 80 something. Of course Maddy is going to be more experienced with it.
If so6p had decided to give power ups in the last reincarnation madara would have ruled the world before Sasukes dad was even born-no argument there this is true, but I do t see the relevance of this point in the threads content.
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Correct. But the chakra he used was so small that all it did was trigger the Rinnegan. Otherwise, mingling of the bloodline's Head's chakras automatically result in Sage of the Six Paths Sage Mode. Something he didn't have.
Umari Senju
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I think I get what you're stating here. The small amounts of Ashura /Indra chakra was enough to eek out the awakening of the Rinnegan. But didn't he need the bijuu chakra (or rather the tree/Kaguya) chakra to reach SO6P sage mode? I think that stems beyond just the Ashura/Indra chakra, but that extra umph (as you stated a bloodline head like Hago or in Maddy's case Kaguya) to get that full Rikudo going.
I can dig this.
I don't know about that because the way Hagoromo was talking. He made it seem like Madara awakened all his chakra because he mixed Indra's chakra and Ashura's chakra. Then by becoming Juubi jin he said Madara was trying to get Kaguya's power.
RasenUchihaChaos
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He only said it "brought out my chakra." He never even implied that the quantity was large. Remember, Madara only took a very ... very small piece of flesh from Hashirama. Which is why it took years for the mutation to occur.
Becoming a Jubi Jin automatically results in the Sage of the Six Paths Mode. It's what the databook states. So, of course he was closer to Kaguya. He had the Mezo and the Bijuu within him.