[Theory] Madara's a... Hero in the making?

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his ideals are that if everyone is under his genjutsu then there will be no more war.
if you think back a little what your describing is more nagatos views that he can create peace thru war and scaring everyone into not fighting anymore.
 

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I think it´s true that the war he started will bring peace but that won´t make him a good guy cuz people died and will continue to die throughout this war.
 

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All of the villians that u seen throughout naruto turned out to be good guys and i don´t see madara being any different although it would suck cuz u need atleast one true bad person!
Madara is doing all this out of hatred. he is different from ppl like zabuza and nagato. he's basically the reason everything went downhill in the ninja world.
for example: minato's death. i'd say he's pure evil.
 

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i know it sound like nagato's ideals but i mean he said it himself chapter 502 page 11. he might just be pure evil but maybe kishi's point of view is no matter how far in darkness there may be a bit of hope, and yes he did admire the 1st alot almost too much in a creepy way lol
 
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Good Guys do not put you in a genjutsu, were you say yes to all Madara orders and whims without question, if you like that then live under a dictator and kiss every step He or She takes, be a sheep, let Him lead you to the slater house when He fell like He is bored with your existence. Those who give up their liberty for a little security deserve neither liberty nor security Benjamin Franklin ones said that.
nice quote my friend. Love that you broke out a quote from our american forefather. Give me liberty or give me death.
 

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i know it sound like nagato's ideals but i mean he said it himself chapter 502 page 11. he might just be pure evil but maybe kishi's point of view is no matter how far in darkness there may be a bit of hope, and yes he did admire the 1st alot almost too much in a creepy way lol
lmao yeah, he admired hashirama quite a bit. but his admiration was accopmanied by hatred and jealousy when hashirama became hokage. there's no hope in Madara's case, for one: he's too steeped in darkness. he stooped to killing his former clan, for two: he's behind every nearly every crisis in the ninja world, both directly and indirectly.
 

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lmao yeah, he admired hashirama quite a bit. but his admiration was accopmanied by hatred and jealousy when hashirama became hokage. there's no hope in Madara's case, for one: he's too steeped in darkness. he stooped to killing his former clan, for two: he's behind every nearly every crisis in the ninja world, both directly and indirectly.
Yea he admired the 1st like a Perv lol collecting Cells of DNA xd
But yea True i agree with your comment
 

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How does war bring peace? War brings nothing but hatred and is the leading factor. I don't think Familys and innocent lives should be sacrificed just so peace can be attained. If ones loved ones are killed people are going to be out for revenge(sasuke for example) and be filled with hate. As pein said; "kill and be killed. hatred connects the two." And madara dosen't care for peace, he just wants the world to be under his control.
Well not true. There could be peace by starting a war. See there's like 5 nations (I think) with 5 Kages being the leader. If one of those Kages think another nation is planning something, then the will go to war with them (something like that) Now madara could be view as the hero due to his plan (which we don't know if he wants peace) but if he wants peace with no more wars,then naruto is hes only opinion. Madara being the main big threat cause all 5 Kages (nation) to fight together,set aside their differences. Soon the 5 Kages (when they win the war) will see how much they need each other, and how all their goals are similar to each other. That goal that everyone wants is peace.
 

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Well not true. There could be peace by starting a war. See there's like 5 nations (I think) with 5 Kages being the leader. If one of those Kages think another nation is planning something, then the will go to war with them (something like that) Now madara could be view as the hero due to his plan (which we don't know if he wants peace) but if he wants peace with no more wars,then naruto is hes only opinion. Madara being the main big threat cause all 5 Kages (nation) to fight together,set aside their differences. Soon the 5 Kages (when they win the war) will see how much they need each other, and how all their goals are similar to each other. That goal that everyone wants is peace.
:worshippy: Thats where im going or trying to get some people to just think
 

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In Naruto, whether a character is a good guy or a bad guy, their intentions are solely based on what they thinks is right just as Naruto's trying to "save" Sasuke which is wrong on so many levels.

Kisame and Kimimaro are a grand example of bad guys doing what they believe was right.

Tobi on the other hand is just pure evil. He just wants revenge and he's power hungry. He's been trying to get revenge on the Leaf village for centuries and had failed twice (as we know it). He uses people, abandons and kills his own allies. Given he cared for Kisame, we saw no reaction from him after Kisame's death. He's like Sasuke but from the future :).

Tobi is just a facade, his real identity may reveal to be someone other than Madara but one thing is sure, his intentions are pure evil.

Tobi/ Madara is not a good guy in any way.

Naruto uses Talk-No-Jutsu.
Tobi is unaffected by Talk-No-Jutsu.
 

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In Naruto, whether a character is a good guy or a bad guy, their intentions are solely based on what they thinks is right just as Naruto's trying to "save" Sasuke which is wrong on so many levels.

Kisame and Kimimaro are a grand example of bad guys doing what they believe was right.

Tobi on the other hand is just pure evil. He just wants revenge and he's power hungry. He's been trying to get revenge on the Leaf village for centuries and had failed twice (as we know it). He uses people, abandons and kills his own allies. Given he cared for Kisame, we saw no reaction from him after Kisame's death. He's like Sasuke but from the future :).

Tobi is just a facade, his real identity may reveal to be someone other than Madara but one thing is sure, his intentions are pure evil.

Tobi/ Madara is not a good guy in any way.

Naruto uses Talk-No-Jutsu.
Tobi is unaffected by Talk-No-Jutsu.
Thinking you are right and being right are 2 different things, Hitler believed Jews were the source of all evil in Germany and the world and exterminating them was the right thing to do. Hitler, Stalin and Mao sent millions to their death believing they were right, but they were all evil men who hated the freedom of the next guy and only wanted their own personal freedom,but no one else.
 

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Thinking you are right and being right are 2 different things, Hitler believed Jews were the source of all evil in Germany and the world and exterminating them was the right thing to do. Hitler, Stalin and Mao sent millions to their death believing they were right, but they were all evil men who hated the freedom of the next guy and only wanted their own personal freedom,but no one else.
Yes, thinking you are right and being right are two different things. I'm not sure why you're even mentioning that as it is obvious. The characters thinking they are doing the right thing does not change the perception of the readers, it only has an effect on the character itself.

Also, how do you know that Hitler really believed that? How do you know that he didn't just use his hatred for Jewish people as an excuse to gain power? Germany was in poverty after WWI and they needed someone to point their fingers at. He used them as scapegoats not only to gain power but also for blame. This has happened numerous times in our history. No one knows why he hated the Jewish people but there are theories and the one I mentioned is the most popular one. Same goes for Mao and Stalin.

Tobi is using "peace from war" as an excuse to throw his temper tantrum. He is not a good person.
 
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Thinking you are right and being right are 2 different things, Hitler believed Jews were the source of all evil in Germany and the world and exterminating them was the right thing to do. Hitler, Stalin and Mao sent millions to their death believing they were right, but they were all evil men who hated the freedom of the next guy and only wanted their own personal freedom,but no one else.
What the hell?

Hitler did NOT believe Jews were the source of all evil. What do you mean by evil anyway? Hitler wrote Mein Kampf(My life) and became Supreme ruler of Germany the legit way. He implemented all of his policies which were mainly based around >>RACIAL SUPERIORITY<< meaning not just JEWS. Also, he did not believe Jews were EVIL. He just believed they were the cause of Germany's demise in WW1, the fall of Weimar republic and the Great Depression on Germany. This does not mean he wanted to eradicate all the racially impure because they were 'evil'. Jews and Blacks had been prosecuted long before the Nazi Regime. Hitler did not want personal freedom? wtf? His main goal was to make Germany a superpower, the country that stood on top.

>>And yes, I studied Hitler and the Nazi party in my Modern History course.<<

But in this case, Tobi does BELIEVE he is right. Look at how many times he's tried to get his revenge. Look at how many people he has killed. He has NO reason whatsoever for this.

Agreeing with Inception, peace from war will never be achieved, because through war, more desires to avenge the fallen arise.
 
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if you read that much - then you should have read the part where he states to put the world under a mugen tsukiyomi
And wheres the peace in that mate? Peace is not true peace when the world is under a genjutsu. Also, knowing Tobi's/Madara's evil intentions, he will most likely make the world his slave.

Peace is not achieved through conflict, neither can peace be created through an illusion and mind games.
 
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