Madara would tie with Kabuto (no Edo)

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Am referring to Alive madara.
His sage jutsu were powerful enough to disperse susano'o and fast enough to dodge amaterasu and he's immune to genjutsu.

Izanami/Izanagi would risk madara loosing an eye. and without a double mangeyko that means no susanoo.

Itachi and sasuke couldn't handle kabuto and only won because itachi was an edo.

Madara's meteor and Chibaku tenseu could be controlled with the sage jutsu that he used to control the sage jutsu he used to control the cave.

Kabuto can defeat madara one on one

**** did I just read?

Kabuto is going to take control of a falling meteorite, based off of the fact that he took control of a stationary plot of land?

Did you miss Kabuto's own assessment of Madara's power?

Kabuto Yakushi said:
There is no shinobi alive today who is as powerful as the First Hokage, Hashirama. In fact, many doubt that his power was ever as strong as legends say. Just like they think the Sage of The Six Paths' power was also a fairy tale.

Heh heh... And this is far different from what Lord Orochimaru developed with Danzou. The First Hokage was even more power than Madara. This fusion of both will be my ultimate weapon.

No one can stop this Edo Tensei!!!

Is Kabuto not alive?
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why you keep posting the same pic.

Sasuke is much less experienced at using susanoo than itachi and madara.
Kabutos jutsu causes intense pain on the ears and eyes and that pain is what causes the users to loose their focus on their susanoo.

itachi maintained a full susanoo while he was near death and he no doubt suffered intense pain cause he just had MS (sasuke comments that every cell in his body ached)

madara is a battle hardened shinobi who no doubt used susanoo more times than both itachi and sasuke. He wont get one shotted by this jutsu like you seem to suggest
 

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1) Susano'o was maintained by itachi only because he was an edo

2)I'm not saying kabuto's stronger...am saying that kabuto may as well beat him...that dosent mean he's stronger.

3) Alive madara doesn't have mokuton/hahirama's wood style

your an uchiha fanboy huh...

Susanoo, regardless of the size..will be be affected by this jutsu:

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your still basing your argument off of assumption and useless alone.

All of this post reeks of failure!

1.) Just because Itachi maintain Susanoo because he was Edo that's ridiculous to assume my friend. He was concentrated enough to pull a bit of his Susanoo to protect Sasuke. Itachi didn't walk by and say this jutsu is not affecting me. He was like Sasuke covering his ears and his eyes could barely open. Although it could be a possibility you can't assume so quickly can you?

2.) Stronger means better than the other person in general. You say he is not stronger, but he can beat him? Your one-sided with your theories.

3.) Apparently we would have to see him in action as human, not Edo. According to what i saw, Madara gained a portion of Hashirama's techniques in the Final Valley. Fanboy means being completely posting a single reply: No he is stronger and that's it. Here i give no explanation. This is a fanboy reply, which i don't do. I give explanations even a little, so i don't know where you get the idea. You probably look at my avatar and assumed that idea.

4.) It was the most stupidiest thing you posted. I know that Kabuto's White Rage Techniques affects Susanoo mainly because it cuts the user ability to concentrate their technique. I know the weaknesses of Susanoo which are the following: Pulling the person from beneath, Using a strong light or sound, and sound based genjutsu's affect the person as well.

Last, yes i do base things out of assumptions most of the time, but guess what i always hit my assumptions right on target and they come out true.

You need to post things that make better sense. A jutsu or two won't make Kabuto defeat Madara. You my friend are a predictable one.
 
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Next your gonna say Kabuto can solo SO6P?

Jk Kabuto has a chance at beating EMS Madara. Extremely high diff.
 

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Madara has a even higher level of ocular power as Sasuke; a greater version of Susanoo, the ability to absorb all chakra attacks, repeal all attacks, an undying body and infinite chakra.

There is no way Sasuke should be able to defeat Madara.
 

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Like I said Madara is gonna be high in the damn sky and kabuto will probably be too busy getting slashed in half by Madras susanoo.
kabuto's regeneration speed would render the slashes useless. and with his small size in comparison and his speed, i doubt madara would even get to slash him.
**** did I just read?


Kabuto is going to take control of a falling meteorite, based off of the fact that he took control of a stationary plot of land?

Did you miss Kabuto's own assessment of Madara's power?
the sage jutsu control's inorganic things...the meteor is inorganic so he can control it.

come again bro.
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why you keep posting the same pic.

Sasuke is much less experienced at using susanoo than itachi and madara.
Kabutos jutsu causes intense pain on the ears and eyes and that pain is what causes the users to loose their focus on their susanoo.

itachi maintained a full susanoo while he was near death and he no doubt suffered intense pain cause he just had MS (sasuke comments that every cell in his body ached)

madara is a battle hardened shinobi who no doubt used susanoo more times than both itachi and sasuke. He wont get one shotted by this jutsu like you seem to suggest
Madara that fought the kage's is an Edo...he won't have any drawbacks..just as edo itachi has none either.
point refuted.
All of this post reeks of failure!

1.) Just because Itachi maintain Susanoo because he was Edo that's ridiculous to assume my friend. He was concentrated enough to pull a bit of his Susanoo to protect Sasuke. Itachi didn't walk by and say this jutsu is not affecting me. He was like Sasuke covering his ears and his eyes could barely open. Although it could be a possibility you can't assume so quickly can you?

2.) Stronger means better than the other person in general. You say he is not stronger, but he can beat him? Your one-sided with your theories.

3.) Apparently we would have to see him in action as human, not Edo. According to what i saw, Madara gained a portion of Hashirama's techniques in the Final Valley. Fanboy means being completely posting a single reply: No he is stronger and that's it. Here i give no explanation. This is a fanboy reply, which i don't do. I give explanations even a little, so i don't know where you get the idea. You probably look at my avatar and assumed that idea.

4.) It was the most stupidiest thing you posted. I know that Kabuto's White Rage Techniques affects Susanoo mainly because it cuts the user ability to concentrate their technique. I know the weaknesses of Susanoo which are the following: Pulling the person from beneath, Using a strong light or sound, and sound based genjutsu's affect the person as well.

Last, yes i do base things out of assumptions most of the time, but guess what i always hit my assumptions right on target and they come out true.

You need to post things that make better sense. A jutsu or two won't make Kabuto defeat Madara. You my friend are a predictable one.

1) he didn't say it was either. And i can assume because if you didn't notice...he could clearly see kabuto through all that light. if he was alive he would be immobile just as sasuke was.

2)i'm not one sided with theories. Its just like the Hiruzen fanboys say:

"Hiruzen is stronger than hashirama but cant beat madara because, Hashirama is the perfect opponent for madara"

3) Your mis understanding what madara gained.
back then in madara's time there was not ever a senju + person combination. Thats what orochimaru was working on and tried on 60 children (yamato) and danzo..but it failed. kabuto later ib perfected it in Edo madara.

i.e Edo madara is the first perfect combination of Senju-ninja Dna

what madara gained is Hashirama's DNA and had no idea how to fuse it with himself. which is why i believe he gave oro the Job which goes back to what i just said.

:| Your making assumptions and i need to make better posts? lol. and your assumptions come true? now thats a lie. if it's not i'd like to see an example.

Kabuto would beat madara no matter how you put it.
 

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Am referring to Alive madara.
His sage jutsu were powerful enough to disperse susano'o and fast enough to dodge amaterasu and he's immune to genjutsu.

Izanami/Izanagi would risk madara loosing an eye. and without a double mangeyko that means no susanoo.

Itachi and sasuke couldn't handle kabuto and only won because itachi was an edo.

Madara's meteor and Chibaku tenseu could be controlled with the sage jutsu that he used to control the sage jutsu he used to control the cave.

Kabuto can defeat madara one on one

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No chance, Rinnegan (was awakened while he was alive), EMS, Wood style, Perfect Susanoo, Izanami, Izanagi, etc. Madara wins low difficulty.
 
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Am referring to Alive madara.
His sage jutsu were powerful enough to disperse susano'o and fast enough to dodge amaterasu and he's immune to genjutsu.

Izanami/Izanagi would risk madara loosing an eye. and without a double mangeyko that means no susanoo.

Itachi and sasuke couldn't handle kabuto and only won because itachi was an edo.

Madara's meteor and Chibaku tenseu could be controlled with the sage jutsu that he used to control the sage jutsu he used to control the cave.

Kabuto can defeat madara one on one
He cant control chibaku tensei. I dont think Kabuto can manipulate the black orb that provides the gravitational pull.
Secondly we've only seen him control small objects. There's no certainty he can control an object as large as a meteor. And even if he could am not sure that will stop it. I mean he takes control of it then what? The meteor is still being propelled downwards by gravity. Is he somehow going to nullify the gravitational force on the meteor and its momentum?
 
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ems madara high chance
rinnegan madara LOL no...
 

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kabuto's regeneration speed would render the slashes useless. and with his small size in comparison and his speed, i doubt madara would even get to slash him.

the sage jutsu control's inorganic things...the meteor is inorganic so he can control it.

come again bro.

Madara that fought the kage's is an Edo...he won't have any drawbacks..just as edo itachi has none either.
point refuted.


1) he didn't say it was either. And i can assume because if you didn't notice...he could clearly see kabuto through all that light. if he was alive he would be immobile just as sasuke was.

2)i'm not one sided with theories. Its just like the Hiruzen fanboys say:

"Hiruzen is stronger than hashirama but cant beat madara because, Hashirama is the perfect opponent for madara"

3) Your mis understanding what madara gained.
back then in madara's time there was not ever a senju + person combination. Thats what orochimaru was working on and tried on 60 children (yamato) and danzo..but it failed. kabuto later ib perfected it in Edo madara.

i.e Edo madara is the first perfect combination of Senju-ninja Dna

what madara gained is Hashirama's DNA and had no idea how to fuse it with himself. which is why i believe he gave oro the Job which goes back to what i just said.

:| Your making assumptions and i need to make better posts? lol. and your assumptions come true? now thats a lie. if it's not i'd like to see an example.

Kabuto would beat madara no matter how you put it.

At this point i know who i'm dealing with here. You want to believe that Kabuto can beat Madara. Which i'm gonna tell you that he won't be able. He is giving the Kages trouble and even if he was alive. He would still give them trouble. He would only have to take caution, because he isn't invincible. Kabuto is either the same level as EMS Sasuke or below. You can take it or leave it. You forget that Madara is a smart man and Kabuto won't be able to trick him. A little white dragon won't beat Madara. If that was your example that Kabuto will win. I'm sorry but your fooling yourself. I also bet that Kishi wanted Itachi to save Sasuke in that moment, since they are fighting as a team. In other words they are fighting as one. Sasuke has EMS, so if Itachi could make a partial Susanoo. I can't see why Sasuke can't as well. Kabuto changed and you have seen it. He has become an arrogant punk that was defeated because he was so full of himself. You are being the same way. Also, you called me a fanboy. I believe you are one, because all your post's have made little sense to me. Next time provide me with an image more than just a dragon that Kabuto performs on Sage Mode.
 

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He cant control chibaku tensei. I dont think Kabuto can manipulate the black orb that provides the gravitational pull.
Secondly we've only seen him control small objects. There's no certainty he can control an object as large as a meteor. And even if he could am not sure that will stop it. I mean he takes control of it then what? The meteor is still being propelled downwards by gravity. Is he somehow going to nullify the gravitational force on the meteor and its momentum?
The jutsu control's inorganic material and Chibaku tensei is in fact inorganic..it would work, and you cannot assume that he could only control small objects because h controlled a whole cave.

regardless of physics aspect of the situation, He most likely would be able to stop it and even if not, it can't kill him. onooki was almost able to completly stop it even though it took great effort because he was out of his prime.
No chance, Rinnegan (was awakened while he was alive), EMS, Wood style, Perfect Susanoo, Izanami, Izanagi, etc. Madara wins low difficulty.
No, and alive madara dosn't have Mokuton
At this point i know who i'm dealing with here. You want to believe that Kabuto can beat Madara. Which i'm gonna tell you that he won't be able. He is giving the Kages trouble and even if he was alive. He would still give them trouble. He would only have to take caution, because he isn't invincible. Kabuto is either the same level as EMS Sasuke or below. You can take it or leave it. You forget that Madara is a smart man and Kabuto won't be able to trick him. A little white dragon won't beat Madara. If that was your example that Kabuto will win. I'm sorry but your fooling yourself. I also bet that Kishi wanted Itachi to save Sasuke in that moment, since they are fighting as a team. In other words they are fighting as one. Sasuke has EMS, so if Itachi could make a partial Susanoo. I can't see why Sasuke can't as well. Kabuto changed and you have seen it. He has become an arrogant punk that was defeated because he was so full of himself. You are being the same way. Also, you called me a fanboy. I believe you are one, because all your post's have made little sense to me. Next time provide me with an image more than just a dragon that Kabuto performs on Sage Mode.

lol you mad? EMS sasuke has absolutely NO CHANCE in beating kabuto, prove it!

the rest of your post is assumption so i'll dis-regard it.
 

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The jutsu control's inorganic material and Chibaku tensei is in fact inorganic..it would work, and you cannot assume that he could only control small objects because h controlled a whole cave.

regardless of physics aspect of the situation, He most likely would be able to stop it and even if not, it can't kill him. onooki was almost able to completly stop it even though it took great effort because he was out of his prime.

No, and alive madara dosn't have Mokuton


lol you mad? EMS sasuke has absolutely NO CHANCE in beating kabuto, prove it!

the rest of your post is assumption so i'll dis-regard it.

Do you really need me to show you? Did Sasuke use the same Susanoo against Zetsu on Kabuto? No! Sasuke wasn't going for the kill, so you can't assume that he is weaker than him. He used his MS Susanoo which is different. You know the same one he used against Danzo.
 

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Madara that fought the kage's is an Edo...he won't have any drawbacks..just as edo itachi has none either.
point refuted.

i already told you despite being an edo, itachi was affected by the jutsu but still managed to put up susanoo because he is experienced and has suffered a lot of pain while maintaining susanoo.

you cant disregard everything just because he is an edo. Madara too must have used susanoo to the point he went blind. He is more experienced with susanoo also. He should be able to maintain susanoo while the jutsu is active.
Maintaining susanoo while in pain is the key here :|
 

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The jutsu control's inorganic material and Chibaku tensei is in fact inorganic..it would work, and you cannot assume that he could only control small objects because h controlled a whole cave.

regardless of physics aspect of the situation, He most likely would be able to stop it and even if not, it can't kill him. onooki was almost able to completly stop it even though it took great effort because he was out of his prime.

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The black sphere that forms chibaku tensei is an energy ball not an object. Even if Kabuto takes control of the rocks it attracts, it wont do him any good. He'll still be pulled up by the black sphere.
And its funny you brought Oonoki up when you couldnt find a suitable counter. Oonoki has the ability to change the weight of an object, making something as big as the meteor light enough for him to carry. Does Kabuto possess such an ability? The only way Kabuto can counter the meteor is through liquidification.
 

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is everyone forgetting Itachi and Sasuke were never trying to kill Kabuto?

Itachi allowed himself to get hit, cuz he was an edo, he needed it to setup Izanami loops and Sasuke would stop Kabuto from rewriting the seal in his head, if it went that far, it did and sasuke stopped him by playing defense, no offense
 

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Do you really need me to show you? Did Sasuke use the same Susanoo against Zetsu on Kabuto? No! Sasuke wasn't going for the kill, so you can't assume that he is weaker than him. He used his MS Susanoo which is different. You know the same one he used against Danzo.
The susanoo sasuke used on zetsu would prove no difference..it can only use its "amaterasu gun" which kabuto would dodge..besides that i dont see it being that much of a problem. i highly doubt EMS sasuke could take kabuto on.
i already told you despite being an edo, itachi was affected by the jutsu but still managed to put up susanoo because he is experienced and has suffered a lot of pain while maintaining susanoo.

you cant disregard everything just because he is an edo. Madara too must have used susanoo to the point he went blind. He is more experienced with susanoo also. He should be able to maintain susanoo while the jutsu is active.
Maintaining susanoo while in pain is the key here :|
Itachi was not in pain. He was observing kabuto.
How could madara use susanoo until he went blind and he had EMS?
The black sphere that forms chibaku tensei is an energy ball not an object. Even if Kabuto takes control of the rocks it attracts, it wont do him any good. He'll still be pulled up by the black sphere.
And its funny you brought Oonoki up when you couldnt find a suitable counter. Oonoki has the ability to change the weight of an object, making something as big as the meteor light enough for him to carry. Does Kabuto possess such an ability? The only way Kabuto can counter the meteor is through liquidification.
@ bold: thank you for agreeing and even helping me to realize an easier way that kabuto would make the meteor to non-effect ;)
 

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Actually he could

edo madara just released him self from the edo tensei contract so he could do what ever he want, who knows madara could know more secrets about edo tensei than kabuto. for all i know kabuto couldn't do shit
 

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edo madara just released him self from the edo tensei contract so he could do what ever he want, who knows madara could know more secrets about edo tensei than kabuto. for all i know kabuto couldn't do shit

:ice: still dosen't prove anything
 
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