Madara will use Creation of All Things to absorb the 9 tailed beast?
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ITACHIUCHIA101
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Of course not, at least not if you mean change as in make or become different. Because only you or a Moderator possess the ability to change your post.
It does, however, make your post false.
He only created Black Zetsu with his will. The rest of the Zetsu and the other half of Black Zetsu were created through a process that has already been explained.
Also, why should one not use Naruto Wiki if it already has stated what the person is trying to explain. It saves time.
Madara didn't use creation of all things to create black zetsu :|
Black zetsu is merely a white zetsu with In'youton infused in him(Black chakra rods)... Hence why Obito turned black when Madara took over...
Black zetsu is merely a white zetsu with In'youton infused in him(Black chakra rods)... Hence why Obito turned black when Madara took over...
Pwner10144
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That's where people twist the manga. Madara said he infused his will to zetsu. Not that he created from his will. They were created from his Yin Yang jutsu. All of Zetsu were created the same way black was:
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Confirmed by VIZ.
ITACHIUCHIA101
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Yin is used to create form from nothing. NOTHING. If that is indeed what he used then why did he need Hashi's cells? I guess he wasn't able to create them from nothing. Which would explain why he didn't use COAT. He could have used Yang release to give life to the clones. But because they are clones he may have not needed to. Also, manga statements aren't always true. Is Tobi really Madara? >_>
Can you read or not?. Madara says he created them shadow(yin) and light(Yang). WTF are you going on about Hashirama's cells here. They were used to enhance their abilities by giving them mokuton. He used Yin to create their bodies and used Yang to give them life.
Bold is off topic and has nothing to do with this.
Pwner10144
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Ignore that fool, he can't comprehend simple principles, trying to act as a intellectual-yet providing dull arguments.
you won this one.
Lol these niggas. Time for the realest to step in U_U
Madara created Zetsu with moktuon, which is why he is Hashirama's living clone. Which is why Orochimaru can now use mokuton. He then attached the Zetsu clones to the mazou. As we all should know, the mazou has a tremendous life force, that can survive even if the 9 bijuu are removed from it(As seen recently). That is what gives the clones life.
Yin/Yang Release does not come into play at all when merely talking about white zetsu
The yin/yang release Madara talks about is specific only to the black zetsu, and that is known as In'youton.
It doesn't need to be viz for you to further understand what he means. Your viz copy says the ones created with shadow/light style. Notice the scan from mangapanda says, "You can use the ones created with the In'youton as your pawns."
The scan from viz says, "You can use these beings that I created using shadow and light style as your soldiers."
There's really no difference as In'youton and shadow and light both mean yin/yang chakra.
White zetsu = created from mokuton, strengthened by Mazou
Black zetsu = created from mokuton, strengthened by Mazou, imbued with In'youton(Merely Yin/Yang Release/ Madara's will)
Madara created Zetsu with moktuon, which is why he is Hashirama's living clone. Which is why Orochimaru can now use mokuton. He then attached the Zetsu clones to the mazou. As we all should know, the mazou has a tremendous life force, that can survive even if the 9 bijuu are removed from it(As seen recently). That is what gives the clones life.
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Yin/Yang Release does not come into play at all when merely talking about white zetsu
The yin/yang release Madara talks about is specific only to the black zetsu, and that is known as In'youton.
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It doesn't need to be viz for you to further understand what he means. Your viz copy says the ones created with shadow/light style. Notice the scan from mangapanda says, "You can use the ones created with the In'youton as your pawns."
The scan from viz says, "You can use these beings that I created using shadow and light style as your soldiers."
There's really no difference as In'youton and shadow and light both mean yin/yang chakra.
White zetsu = created from mokuton, strengthened by Mazou
Black zetsu = created from mokuton, strengthened by Mazou, imbued with In'youton(Merely Yin/Yang Release/ Madara's will)
No he didn't. He created them using Yin Yang jutsu as shown in this panel:
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Because Madara attached a black rod from Gedo Mazo's back and Hashirama's living clone, the Zetsu came from Gedo Mazo since they don't eat or sh1t [
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] and at the same time, they gain mokuton because they were attached to Hashirama's flower which was grown using Gedo Mazo's chakra.Their creation still remains from Yin Yang hence why White Zetsu reacts to Madara's chakra because its creation if from Madara's chakra.
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Are you trying to imply that MangaPanda can translate more accurately than VIZ. Sorry buddy but VIZ is the most accurate translation you will ever get. We will only argue based on the texts of the VIZ like the one i posted.
Moving on...as i said above to the first part of your comment, Madara created the Zetsu using Yin Yang/Shadow Light technique. Also read the bit circled in red, Madara tells Obito to use those who have been created with Yin Yang as your soldiers. Notice that those soldiers were later revealed to be this:
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And notice that Obito says he made them using bijuu chakra:
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Realize he uses the word ''made'' as in he created them. But how did he do that? Yin Yang techniques which he learned from Madara himself:
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So white Zetsu is created from Madara's Yin Yang, boosted with Hashirama's power and Gedo Mazo. Same applies for n1gga Zetsu as confirmed by VIZ. That's why both serve Madara and react to Madara's chakra.
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Ight little homie, it would seem that way, but if you ran it back like I told you to from the jump, you would understand what I'm saying...
The page that comes before that little homie, is this one:
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Now that we ran it back and started from the jump, we can see Madara says, "... and also the In'youton no jutsu, as he creates black zetsu." Now I want you to be kishi for a moment. Why does Kishi show us a black zetsu being spawned for the first time, directly after Madara stresses the In'youton no jutsuuuu, and gives us an editor's note, that In'youton, means Yin/Yang... Yeah, I know I'm right U_U
Hold on young blood, hold on.
- The reason Hashirama's flower was grown around the Mazou, was because the mazou was the only thing that could keep it living. Hence why I explained to you the necessity of the Mazou being there. The Mazou was spawned by Madara, and in doing so, Madara also put the parts of Hashirama's DNA that he managed to keep and literally cultivated(just as he says in the manga) a new living clone from it. That is the little dude sticking out the side of it. Now, the Zetsu clones are made of the Mokuton that is sitting on the side of the Mazou. However, they are incomplete clones and aren't really that strong.
The clones were grown using hashirama's chakra and the Mazou's life force, which has been stressed to us since we learned of their origin. :yeah:
I've already given you the recipe for their creation, yet you still think it's yin/yang creating them U_U
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Lolwut. When did I state that. I merely stated that the viz and mangapanda scans literally say the same exact things but with different words. Soldier/Pawns; In'Youton/Shadow and Light; These beings/ones created; Must I go on...? XD
Lets answer the first order of business. No my friend; they are only considered soldiers because there is such a large quantity of them. Had Madara used In'youton no jutsu upon the entirety of Hashirama's DNA, they would have an entire army of black zetsu... The fact that you believe he refers to them as soldiers and the white zetsu ending up being soldiers is a mere coincidence.
Again, young blood, you need to pause. You're interpreting this manga horribly wrong.
Yin/yang chakra is merely what is required to mold chakra. Yin/Yang release however is manipulation of the spiritual and physical chakra. Some attacks are heavy in yin chakra, like the sharingan, or some attacks are heavy in yang chakra, like Kurama inside of Naruto which is the yang portion. When Obito says he used the tailed beast chakra to create more zetsu, he literally means he used the tailed beast chakra that was already in the mazou to create more zetsu. As we already saw, the clones get their form from the mazou and get their make-up from Hashirama. Their DNA is Hashirama's and their life force is the Mazou's. By adding more chakra to the Mazou, more chakra would need to be added to Hashirama's side of the power, otherwise the clones would come out half retarded and unable to actually fight. Which is why Yamato was necessary. The next best thing to Hashirama(besides Madara). Yin/Yang release was not required to create more clones, merely more chakra and more of Hashirama's DNA(Yamato).
White Zetsu is created from Hashirama's DNA and the Mazou's life force, while Nigga Zetsu is created from Hashirama's DNA and the Mazou's life force + In'youton.
This nigga
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Because Kishimoto wanted us to know that Black Zetsu was created from Madara's Yin Yang jutsu, but if we go to the next page, we see this:
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It shows:
-Madara implanting his will into Zetsu
-Madara says all of the Zetsu army were also created from his Yin Yang jutsu
-Black rod is made of Madara's will
Incorrect. Hashirama's cells on their own can keep living for a long time even before Gedo Mazo. Madara stole the DNA by his defeat which was in his 20s:
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And he awakened the Rinnegan when he was an old man around his 80s:
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So the time span between Hashirama's DNA that lived all this time was over 60 years approx of course. Realize that when he awakened the Rinnegan, he summoned Gedo Mazo:
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However, according to you, Gedo Mazo was the only thing giving the cells life, but proven wrong. Hashirama's cells on their own can keep on living since the life force within them is inherited from Rikudou Sennin:
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So the reason Hashirama's clone was attached to Gedo Mazo was to actually the cells making them stronger, not giving them life because the cells on their own lived for 60 years in Madara's cave.
I never denied they weren't created from Gedo Mazo. I said they were came from Madara's Yin Yang jutsu(as stated):
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And then, after Yin Yang jutsu, they came from Gedo Mazo and Hashirama's cells so they can become stronger to serve Madara hence why they can use Mokuton and don't have to sh1t or anything.
Also if they weren't created from Yin Yang jutsu, then Madara's chakra would not react to Obito turning half of him black:
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He looked an identical version of white and black Zetsu. Do you know why? because Obito himself has Hashirama's artificial = White Zetsu [
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] inside of him. So that means, half of Obito is white Zetsu, and when was stabbed by the black rod(Madara's will), half of him turned black.That happened because white Zetsu and black Zetsu both react to Madara's chakra because they are created from his Yin Yang jutsu.
So no need to deny beyond this.
You said this:
Look at the bold and look at the VIZ. Anyone who reads this will realize you think MangaPanda has more accurate translation than VIZ. But now its fine now.
You must not have read the part where Madara says this:
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Notice he says ''Soldiers'', which means not just one person, but a lot more. We know that he created only 1 black Zetsu which according to you is his Yin Yang creation, but Madara soldiers. Now who these soldiers could possibly be? its pretty that its White Zetsu since there were multiple of them before Obito had made millions of them.
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They were the only people to be soldiers that serve Madara. So its fact not coincidence.
Its pretty obvious who is not understanding the manga.
Bijuu chakra is accessed by using Uchiha+Senju+Rinnegan which are the essentials to completely manipulate Gedo Mazo and access to its source of power.
You're also ignoring where Obito says ''to make'' which can be interpreted as ''create''. The same word Madara used when applying the creations of Zetsu. Obito needs to know how to manipulate such mass of chakra in order to make that many clones.
Rikudou Sennin used Juubi's chakra to create 9 bijuu via Sozo Banbatsu, while Madara used Yin Yang related jutsu to SB and created Zetsu through Gedo Mazo and Hashirama's cells, and he taught the same arts to Obito. Hagoromo was noted to know full manipulation of chakra:
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Since he manipulated Juubi's chakra. For Obito to create million Zetsu by using Bijuu chakra(similar method to SO6P), he needs to access to the chakra and manipulated without losing control of Bijuu. He simply used the same method Madara did since he learned from the latter, and use Bijuu chakra to create more clones through Gedo Mazo and Hashirama's living clone by the arts of Yin Yang.
If this was true then white Zetsu inside Obito would not react to Madara's chakra. But he did which implies they were created from Yin Yang through Gedo Mazo and Hashirama's cells to overpower them and serve Madara as his soldiers.
They also contain his will like nigga Zetsu.
