Madara was stronger than Hashirama all along.

Uchiha Samater

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Not really, so anime fillers count as Kishi's canon work now ? That wasn't even mentioned even if it is so.

Izanami was created to stop Uchihas from bickering over the use of Izanagi

i.e. no Senju dna needed

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HAHAHAHAHAHA
Lol nope
Your fictional man crush,Madara himself,disagrees with your shit.
 

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Sadly i have to agree...madara is quite strong. He had to cut his chakra in half because his motive WASNT to kill hashirama, but instead to gather his DNA. The whole time all he was after was the ultimate power for his own "peace".
 

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He would have won with Izanagi catching him off guard; though his DNA was more important.​
 

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Hashirama is stronger than madara if madara didn't have kurama with him hashirama would have beat madara much faster. And we can't forget sage mode either way hashirama is the stonger one between the two.
 

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So you are saying that Madara without Hashi DNA and Rinnegan was stronger than Hashi in his prime?
Well Kishi does not agree with you...
 

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So you are saying that Madara without Hashi DNA and Rinnegan was stronger than Hashi in his prime?
Well Kishi does not agree with you...

Where did Kishimoto say otherwise? Just because you forfeit a match or intend to lose does not mean you're worse.
 

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Madara is stronger than Kurama. Kurama fears Madara. Madara was able to take on Yang Kurama, Gyuki, and 7th gate Gai without breaking a sweat. And this was in his weakened Edo form.

Madara controlling Kurama only added on a bit more force. It's not even double since Madara was already much stronger than Kurama.
 

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Where did Kishimoto say otherwise? Just because you forfeit a match or intend to lose does not mean you're worse.

Actually it does. If he was stronger, there would be know reason for the ruse. He could have just taken the DNA, hide out until he healed from his wounds, and finished off anyone else in Konoha who dared to face him with ease.
 

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Where did Kishimoto say otherwise? Just because you forfeit a match or intend to lose does not mean you're worse.

Well bruh, if you really think that Madara without Rinnegan and Hashi's DNA was stronger than prime Hashi then by all means keep smoking that shit..
 

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Sadly i have to agree...madara is quite strong. He had to cut his chakra in half because his motive WASNT to kill hashirama, but instead to gather his DNA. The whole time all he was after was the ultimate power for his own "peace".

im sorry, point me to where it said anything about cutting power...from the battle i seen Madara with EMS needed kyuubi to even challenge Hasirama? Maybe im wrong,just prove it.
 

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Always a would've could've. Fact is he wasn't strong enough to beat him so he though the best route was to outlive him and take his power and combine it with his own.

Nothing in this manga ever draws the conclusion the Madara was the strongest ninja...Madara even tells you the only person who could stop him was 1st
 

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Who cares. Prime hashi is fodder to dual Rinnegan madara anyways
 

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Madara is stronger than Kurama. Kurama fears Madara. Madara was able to take on Yang Kurama, Gyuki, and 7th gate Gai without breaking a sweat. And this was in his weakened Edo form.

Madara controlling Kurama only added on a bit more force. It's not even double since Madara was already much stronger than Kurama.

What manga are you reading
 

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Do you know why people fall ? Because they're weak and most of they're chakra is gone . Dont understand how he would have pulled of izanagi . Besides this thread is going of the assumption he knew how to use izanagi at that time .
 

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Lol at these Madara wankers.
 

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Its not like hashi didn't collapse right after he killed madara anyway.
 
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