Madara was never "good"

[Momo86]

That is just a theory. Obito says he (who is posing as Madara) killed his friend, but he isn't a reliable source at all (he said that the Ninetails attack was a natural disaster -_-) plus we didn't see that happening nor the circumstances of it. We can't say if it was a cold blooded murder or some other circumstance... remember, neither Sasuke and Obito did awake the magenkyo after losing their loved ones, not after mudering them. And what about Shisui? He awoke the magenkyo but he was clearly a good guy.

Having fun fighting says little really. Shino loves fighting and proving himself, that doesn't make him a warmonger though. Heck, even Konohamaru loves fighting... Neji... Lee... it's an endless list. Fighting is not the same as killing, appreciate a good bout is not the same as wanting war.

Madara doesn't want war. And there's no solid proof that he had any "evil" inclination before snapping.

 

[Lightbringer]

That is just a theory. Obito says he (who is posing as Madara) killed his friend, but he isn't a reliable source at all (he said that the Ninetails attack was a natural disaster -_-) plus we didn't see that happening nor the circumstances of it. We can't say if it was a cold blooded murder or some other circumstance... remember, neither Sasuke and Obito did awake the magenkyo after losing their loved ones, not after mudering them. And what about Shisui? He awoke the magenkyo but he was clearly a good guy.

Having fun fighting says little really. Shino loves fighting and proving himself, that doesn't make him a warmonger though. Heck, even Konohamaru loves fighting... Neji... Lee... it's an endless list. Fighting is not the same as killing, appreciate a good bout is not the same as wanting war.

Madara doesn't want war. And there's no solid proof that he had any "evil" inclination before snapping.

When he was retelling Madara's past, his interpretation was similar to Hashirama's


the nine-tails attack was not Madara's past, it was his own....and he is known to both tell the truth and lie for his own purposes. He has no benefit of lying to Sasuke about the Madara's true past, but he benefited from lying about the kyuubi attack, because it makes the Uchiha look innocent.

Wouldn't saying that he killed his friend for power make him look a villain? I don't see why telling Sasuke that would give him an advantage.


and if you remmeber, Madara could have killed the kage if he wanted to, but instead toyed with them.

He could have let Hashirama commit suicide, but wanted him alive for future battles

He didn't capture naruto and went easy on him so he could have fun utilizing the juubi's power

 

[NaruSasuRival]

You won't convince the people who like Madara. There is evidence everywhere to prove how Madara's choices and Pain drove him into deep darkness. His biggest mistake was to refuse the first ideal he had with Hashirama, and I believe he did that for the reason you elaborated. Madara only wanted supremacy, and he used everyone who trusted him.

As I said in another thread, saying or intending to do something does not mean anything if you do the opposite. All Madara's actions are the opposite of making peace, and it is amazing that some human beings are still trying to justify him. This is why I think that the true founder of Konoha is not Hashirama, but Tobirama. Hashirama was a powerful stupid guy who was certainly loved by his father despite being disrespectful. He did not truly know pain, though he lost his brothers, and he wasn't a shinobi in his mind. This was the reason for him to create a world with peace, while being ignorant of the reality. Without Tobirama, Hashirama would have been caught into Madara's malice.

Given that, you can see that Naruto is a better version of both HAshi and Tobirama. First, he has everything Hashirama has concerning making peace. Second, he has something that Hashirama did not have. He has a better version of what Tobirama was adding to Hashi: Naruto can see the malice and darkness within someone. I am talking about Naruto here because he is the only one who will reveal the true nature of Uchiha Madara. So until then, I think it is useless to argue here.

 

[FleeOnSight]

Zetsu disagrees with. Hashirama and zetsu seen to think that Madara is indeed good. But I understand what you are saying. Nice theory.

 

[foxyladyland]

sorry but obito aint really a reliable source about madara's past because he wasn't there
and madara lied to him and tricked him into being his pawn...

Plus, Madara is someone who would do things to get his way......

 

[Lightbringer]

You won't convince the people who like Madara. There is evidence everywhere to prove how Madara's choices and Pain drove him into deep darkness. His biggest mistake was to refuse the first ideal he had with Hashirama, and I believe he did that for the reason you elaborated. Madara only wanted supremacy, and he used everyone who trusted him.

As I said in another thread, saying or intending to do something does not mean anything if you do the opposite. All Madara's actions are the opposite of making peace, and it is amazing that some human beings are still trying to justify him. This is why I think that the true founder of Konoha is not Hashirama, but Tobirama. Hashirama was a powerful stupid guy who was certainly loved by his father despite being disrespectful. He did not truly know pain, though he lost his brothers, and he wasn't a shinobi in his mind. This was the reason for him to create a world with peace, while being ignorant of the reality. Without Tobirama, Hashirama would have been caught into Madara's malice.

Given that, you can see that Naruto is a better version of both HAshi and Tobirama. First, he has everything Hashirama has concerning making peace. Second, he has something that Hashirama did not have. He has a better version of what Tobirama was adding to Hashi: Naruto can see the malice and darkness within someone. I am talking about Naruto here because he is the only one who will reveal the true nature of Uchiha Madara. So until then, I think it is useless to argue here.

I don't think being a Madara fan has much to do with interpretation. Madara is my favorite character lol, but this is just how I see it

I could very well be wrong, but I suspect that there's more to the truth

 

[BazzBee]

This gives us the moral never trust Tobirama Jk jk

Madara started to change and he became good before we knew it but Tobirama's lack of trust reverted him to what he was

 

[Lightbringer]

sorry but obito aint really a reliable source about madara's past because he wasn't there
and madara lied to him and tricked him into being his pawn...

Plus, Madara is someone who would do things to get his way......

Obito is known for telling both lies and the truth

again, I've stated that Obito telling of Madara's past was much like Hashirama's in contrast to Itachi's version

Obito lied about the kyuubi attack because it portrays the Uchiha as innocent, and he was trying to brainwash Sasuke....but that was his own past, not Madara's

Why would he tell Sasuke that he killed his friend to gain power? That only portrays him as a villain, and makes him more untrustworthy to Sasuke? He could have simply lied about that......so logically it's most likely true

 

[DeDoll]

Please explain what Madara did bad ? He kill many senju but they was in war.

he fight with hashirama coz he like it, and he never try to kill him...

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

since when did madara ever claim he was good i put him in the grey area

 

[Lightbringer]

Please explain what Madara did bad ? He kill many senju but they was in war.

he fight with hashirama coz he like it, and he never try to kill him...

he killed his friend for the MS most likely....or used them as resources

He never wanted peace, only battle

that is what I'm trying to impy

 

[AlphaScythian]

he killed his friend for the MS most likely....or used them as resources

He wouldnt need to, they were at war, losing a friend there isnt hard at all.

He never wanted peace, only battle

He wanted peace, and he accepted it once he thought he could trust senju again. Hashirama only proposed peace after izuna was killed and uchihas were weaken.

that is what I'm trying to impy

Ur implying madara was evil from the start. He wasnt, he gradually turned into it after losing everything. And its not even a kishi style to make some1 evil from the start.

 

[DeDoll]

He wouldnt need to, they were at war, losing a friend there isnt hard at all.
He wanted peace, and he accepted it once he thought he could trust senju again. Hashirama only proposed peace after izuna was killed and uchihas were weaken.
Ur implying madara was evil from the start. He wasnt, he gradually turned into it after losing everything. And its not even a kishi style to make some1 evil from the start.

Orochimaru was bed as hell Thats why i love him

 

[AlphaScythian]

Orochimaru was bed as hell Thats why i love him

Well yeah, but he had style, and loved to play around too XD

 

[Ganta]

I stopped when tobi said my chakra is proof hence why im still living
Thats a lie
He said he killed his own brother
Thats a lie
So why should i believe anything else?

 

[Lightbringer]

I stopped when tobi said my chakra is proof hence why im still living
Thats a lie
He said he killed his own brother
Thats a lie
So why should i believe anything else?

well he did say that he didn't kill Izuna, and Hashirama said the same thing

they both said he was betrayed by his clan, he didn't become hokage, he tried telling the Uchiha to leave the village

there must be some merit to his words

 

[Stark]

The death of his brother and the betrayal of his clan created the monster he is today, had it not been for him eavesdropping on Tobirama and Hashirama about the head situation he probably wouldn't have done what he did last chapter.