Madara was never "good"

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One thing people seem to forget was that before Izuna's death and gaining the EMS, Madara and Izuna obtained the Mangekyou sharingan, and in order to obtain it, one must see someone close to them die.

Now in the manga it was never truly revealed how they obtained the MS, but in the anime they mentioned that they both killed their best-friends. So far as we know, Obito's retelling of Madara's past is very close to the truth of what Hashirama has told, making Obito a reliable source in that matter.

Here Obito says that "Madara" killed/exhausted his own friend(s) in his quest for power(depending on the translation), and what good man would do such a thing? It here that is hinted of how he managed to gain the MS.

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Another reason is the fact that Hashirama didn't know Madara as well as he thought. He wasn't aware of the Uchiha curse and how they awaken their eyes until they created a truce and formed Konoha. He had no idea that Madara was consumed by hater and lust for power until Tobirama mentioned the curse to him.

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It wasn't until here that Madara reveals his true nature to Hashirama....I don't believe Madara ever wanted peace.

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he said in the scan above that he views the world as entertainment, which would explain why he never wanted to cooperate with Hashirama because he had fun doing constant battle, and at the end of the chapter, he even says he looks forward to fighting with him.

Madara saved Hashirama from suicide because he stated that Hashirama is the only one that could compete with him, and that he was looking forward to fighting him.

All throughout the 5 kage battle, he insulted them for being and constantly praised hashirama for being strong weak

All he wants is a good battle....Madara is a warmonger


Here is another scan that supports this; when Madara and Obito are controlling the juubi, Obito realizes that Madara deliberately went easy on Naruto so that he had an excuse to toy around with the juubi's power.....meaning that he truly has fun fighting.

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and here we see him wanting to test the juubi's power

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It has been shown so far that Madara treats battle as a game

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Madara is has shown to be capable of manipulation, and because Hashirama was so trustworthy, he couldn't see Madara's intent.

to briefly summarize, I believe that Madara wasn't as sympathetic and caring as Hashirama made him out to be....this was Hashirama's interpretation, and because he considered Madara as a friend, he tried to retell it with portraying Madara in a better light. Madara is shown to love battle and know how to manipulate others....I believe that's what he did with Hashirama, that's why he never wanted a truce, he never showed his true intentions or at least Hashirama was ignorant to them which is why Tobirama was so hostile
 
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He did care it's just war changed him.
 

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Good and Bad are subjective terms.... ;) ;)
 

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Madara did want peace(obtained the right way that is) but there were key factors that contributed to his "change".
 
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Good and Bad are subjective terms.... ;) ;)

what I mean is that he wasn't as sympathetic and caring as Hashirama made him out to be....this was Hashirama's interpretation, and he considered Madara as a friend and he tried to retell it with Madara being a tragic hero. Madara is shown to love battle and know how to manipulate others....I believe that's what he did with Hashirama, that's why he never wanted a truce, he never showed his true intentions or at least Hashirama was ignorant to them which is why Tobirama was so hostile
 

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He is good guy still. He save hashirama He is my friend :ls:
 

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There is no doubt he wanted peace. But konoha was founded he saw that it didnt solve major problems and uchihas were in danger again.
About izuna, my guess he wasnt gonna make it and offered his eyes, madara then put him out of the misery. So he kinda killed him, but not that he wanted u know.
Now he does enjoy fighting but it wasnt always like this either, once he attained full powers he was bored.
 

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He is good guy still. He save hashirama He is my friend :ls:

he saved him because he stated that Hashirama is the only one that could compete with him, and that he was looking forward to fighting him.

All throughout the 5 kage battle, he insulted them for being and constantly praised hashirama for being strong
weak
All he wants is a good battle....Madara is a warmonger
 

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he saved him because he stated that Hashirama is the only one that could compete with him, and that he was looking forward to fighting him.

All throughout the 5 kage battle, he insulted them for being and constantly praised hashirama for being strong
weak
All he wants is a good battle....Madara is a warmonger

Totaly agree with you. Thats why he wont destroy wold he is doing everything to fight with hushirama not destroy world bluffing
 

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Totaly agree with you. Thats why he wont destroy wold he is doing everything to fight with hushirama not destroy world bluffing

exactly, and I think his infinite tsukyomi, because it's a genjutsu it will enable him to be able to battle for as long as he wants....a lot like valhalla of sorts
 

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Madara was goo but changed U_U
 

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Madara was goo but changed U_U

I believe he was good when he was child, but around the time he awakened the MS was when he turned evil. As I said, this is Hashirama's interpretation of what happened, and he still considered Madara as a friend much like how Naruto considers Sasuke.

They both believe they are still good and try to defend them/portray them in a better light, when in fact they are/were succumbed to darkness the whole time

Tobirama saw the truth, which is why he was always against Madara

Hashirama=Optimist

Tobirama=Realist
 

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Tobirama is retard not realist
 

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Madara did want peace(obtained the right way that is) but there were key factors that contributed to his "change".

this, those factors were

kill or be killed since youth
tobirama
lack of trust

imo
 

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He changed because of Tobirama. Hashi and Madara would've been bff's, but Tobirama got jealous, aha
 

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Well he's not that bad he stopped hashirama from killing himself he's my new best friend
 

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Well he's not that bad he stopped hashirama from killing himself he's my new best friend

Well as I've stated, he didn't want Hashirama to die because he was the only one capable of competing with him

At the end of that chapter, he was excited to fight Hashi again

all throughout the 5 kage battle, he constantly called them weak and praised Hashirama

from what we saw, he always made the battle's seem like a game to him
 

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Well as I've stated, he didn't want Hashirama to die because he was the only one capable of competing with him

At the end of that chapter, he was excited to fight Hashi again

all throughout the 5 kage battle, he constantly called them weak and praised Hashirama

from what we saw, he always made the battle's seem like a game to him

Yea becose nothing else left for him in world if you dont saw it. Tobirama **** everything...
 
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