Madara & War Plans

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There is little argument regarding who is the most mysterious character in the Narutoverse. "Madara Uchiha" as he claims to be (whether your skeptic or not) is extraordinarily cunning, manipulative, knowledgeable, and powerful. Whether he is or isn't the real Madara Uchiha makes little difference in the grand scheme of things. We can touch on the details later, but he has currently amassed an incredible amount of strength to wage war with.

As it stands he has...

* Literally hundreds of thousands of white Zetsu clones
* The rinnegan
* Enough sharingans to fill a room
* 7 out of 9 bijuus
* Sasuke
* Zetsu (black & white)
* Kabuto's allegiance
* The Gedo Mazo statue
* Harashima Senju's DNA
* Intel from Kisame & Yamato

In order to understand Madara's plans one must first understand Madara's state of mind. My first question is why would Madara declare war at the Kage Summit and give up the advantage of surprise? It would seem that like most of his plans he always has ulterior motives.

Examples; while teamed with Deidara it was really Madara's intent to observe Sasuke's current power. Sending Sasuke to capture the Eight-tails was again to test Sasuke's power (with added bonus of possible bijuu). Nagato attacking the Leaf was to acquire bijuu, but also destroy the Leaf village helping to further manipulate Sasuke. The kage summit was to push Sasuke to overuse his mangekyou sharingan and declare war. Kisame was sent to capture the eight tails but only after acquiring intel.

We've seen countless times that Madara is an extremely shrewd man. He is always 2 or 3 steps ahead of the game with his plans. Even as far back as the 9-tails incident 15/16 years ago. I digress; going back to my question why would he announce war rather than maintain the element of surprise? I believe that Madara plans to exploit the war preparations made by the alliance. The Zetsu clones are clearly (from what we've seen) weak soldiers, but have overwhelming numbers. My guess is this is the main diversion with Kabuto's pawns adding a great deal more force to the battle plan. Where ever Madara is, is where the real battle is being waged. I somewhat expect him to confront Killer Bee & Naruto in hopes of capturing Bee and observing Naruto's control of the 9-tails. Knowing Madara he would likely use Naruto's good-nature and nieveity in order to gain an advantage, perhaps to make an opening to capture Killer Bee. Of course this is just speculation, but I do think it is in line with Madara's character.

Originally, I was a skeptic regarding Madara's claim to be the original Madara Uchiha. Although after observing the facts over and over it does seem that at the very least he himself believes to be the original Madara Uchiha or that his is of Uchiha blood. He without question is afflicted by an incredible amount of hatred and a burning desire to see the world bow to the Uchiha name. I find the whole Moon's Eye plan to unite the world and achieve peace be another hoax. The real Madara Uchiha lived for the fight and the fight alone. In a way I believe it was the only way he could validate his existence. When the Uchiha clan agreed to a peace treaty to end the violence and bloodshed that haunted the clan for generations Madara claimed that all the sacrifice was in vein because of the concessions for peace by his fellow clansmen. I don't believe for a moment the BS story he gave Kisame about a genjutsu for world peace. This is a simple grudge nothing more and nothing less. That is why I believe Madara identifies so well with Sasuke. I also believe that while Madara wants to maintain control of Sasuke if for some reason Madara should die I believe he intends for Sasuke to carryout his final revenge. This is tricky because while Madara clearly has an ego problem if anyone was to take up his mantle it is clearly Sasuke. Madara has been grooming Sasuke for quite sometime in order to minimize risk of defection or betrayal.

Here are some of the loose ends that I feel will sway the outcome of the war...

* Kabuto's mystery coffin and the other ace he has up his sleeve
* Naruto's "that jutsu"
* Sasuke's new eyes
* Itachi's power given to Naruto

What do you all think?

Thanks for reading and I look forward to your responses.
 

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it's intresting what you wrote and i think that madara is the real one because i do not see anyone who could be that powerfull and to have that much of intel about the past, but about sasuke i do not think he could or better would not accept to be madara's successor because he only want's to revenge his brother and to be more stronger that naruto
 

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ok i agree that his end result most likely dosent involve the whole moons eye plan thing but he most definitely does want the whole generic rule the world thing under the uchiha name thats a certainty like as you said when they were making a treaty with the senju he was the only one who didnt want it because he believed that the uchiha would be undermined and persecuted but other than that i dont see his real goals other than the whole rule the world thing u would think hed be a bit more creative though :p
 

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I definitely agree that Madara has something else up his sleeves and that everything, EVERYTHING, up until now has gone meticulously according to his grand master plan (whatever that may be).

I didn't think of it this way but you're completely right. Madara was a man who lived for the fight and the fight alone, so now that I think about it his Moon's Eye Plan doesn't sound like something he'd do at all. To be honest it sounds ridiculous.

It does seem like he intends for Sasuke to be his successor of sorts. At the very least he expects something from him. It's the only reason he'd trust him enough to give him the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan. Sasuke is no where close to Madara in terms of strength, but allowing Sasuke to get the EMS at least partially opens the door for him to stand on even ground with Madara (Eh, but at the same time Madara's not the type to do something without a foolproof plan so I guess he could have a fail-safe in case Sasuke turns on him :confused:)

As of now, I don't think Madara would approach Naruto and KillerBee just yet. What he has to figure out first is how to deal with Kabuto when he doesn't need him anymore. Like you said, the mystery coffin and Kabuto's other ace are going to be the biggest problems for Madara. Add to that, Kabuto is after Sasuke and expects Madara to hand him over after the war; something Madara obviously isn't going to do. Either way, he's going to need to think of a way to deal with Kabuto before he goes after the last 2 Bijuu, because I don't think Kabuto would let Madara complete his plan before he has a chance to complete his own.

Anyways, out of the four things you listed at the end of your post that could affect Madara's plan, I think Itachi's gift to Naruto will play the biggest part. Itachi was the biggest hurdle for Madara before he died and I think he'll come back and get in Madara's way one last time through Naruto. Frankly, it could be anything. Personally I think it's going to be some sort of an eye jutsu counter. When Itachi gave it to Naruto it was, at the time, meant for Naruto's inevitable encounter with Sasuke. As it stands, Naruto's single greatest weakness is the Sharingan. He has nothing that can fight against it and it suppresses his Kyuubi chakra. Because of this, I think that Itachi's gift isn't something just to fight Sasuke, but something to fight the Sharingan. If it does turn out to be some sort of Sharingan counter then that helps Naruto immensely (When I say a Sharingan counter I also mean it's ability to suppress the Kyuubi). Naruto's already beaten a Rinnegan user one so he already knows of it's abilities. If he can somehow get around the Sharingan then he would stand a chance against Madara.


OF COURSE, this is also just a speculation :)
 
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