Madara using Genjutsu on Hashirama = impossible

[KingHashirama]

There is apparently this new theory, that the only reason the God of Shinobi won was because Madara used Genjutsu , not because Hashirama pawned him hard.. but because Madara used Genjutsu. And he was only in the fight for the dna..... however that is pure bullshit.

Madara himself stated that their fight was death battle

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If we say he used genjutsu to survive and let Hashirama win.. then we are basically saying, what Madara stated in the above scan was BS.

Madara's wound:

Madara implanted Hashirama's dna inside his wound.

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The same wound he got from Hashirama.

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Some say its a totally different wound.. however no.

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If it was a genjutsu, Madara wouldn't have a wound that was so bad, that he needed to put Hashirama's dna to save his own life.

Why he fought against Hashirama

This whole contraption on people believing Obito when he said Madara only fought for DNA is pure non-sense. If he wanted the Dna of the shodai he already should've had it after he was done battling the shodai.. and then he could've just ended the battle and said "oh i'm sorry man".. BUT he did not, he chose to continue the battle to death.. meaning his original purpose was no to get dna but to kill the man who was at the top of the world.

Shodai himself
Do you people really think the God of Shinobi.. who pawned Madara's Perfect Susano'o Kyuubi like a toy wouldn't have noticed he was under a genjutsu.. especially when he has a powerfull ass one like Bringer of Darkness.

Conclusion

If genjutsu was the case , then Madara should've killed Hashirama and took his god damn dna, since Hashirama was under the genjutsu. But he didn't. Why after using the genjutsu would he allow him self to stabbed so fatally that he couldn't be the same as before anymore? Why? Makes no sense.

People say "his plan" well his plan truly only came to existence when Obito joined him.

Saying Madara used Genjutsu to escape and that he let Hashirama beat him , is a insult to Madara himself.. and basically calling him a idiotic person who didn't kill his enemy when he had the chance.

However, I have noticed this is only brought up by people who tend to him trying to make the Shodai on the same level as Madara.

 

[4th Lord Hokage]

Hashirama>Madara

 

[Hipster Madara]

There is apparently this new theory, that the only reason the God of Shinobi won was because Madara used Genjutsu , not because Hashirama pawned him hard.. but because Madara used Genjutsu. And he was only in the fight for the dna..... however that is pure bullshit.

Madara himself stated that their fight was death battle

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If we say he used genjutsu to survive and let Hashirama win.. then we are basically saying, what Madara stated in the above scan was BS.

Madara's wound:

Madara implanted Hashirama's dna inside his wound.

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The same wound he got from Hashirama.

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Some say its a totally different wound.. however no.

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If it was a genjutsu, Madara wouldn't have a wound that was so bad, that he needed to put Hashirama's dna to save his own life.

Why he fought against Hashirama

This whole contraption on people believing Obito when he said Madara only fought for DNA is pure non-sense. If he wanted the Dna of the shodai he already should've had it after he was done battling the shodai.. and then he could've just ended the battle and said "oh i'm sorry man".. BUT he did not, he chose to continue the battle to death.. meaning his original purpose was no to get dna but to kill the man who was at the top of the world.


Conclusion

If genjutsu was the case , then Madara should've killed Hashirama and took his god damn dna, since Hashirama was under the genjutsu. But he didn't. Why after using the genjutsu would he allow him self to stabbed so fatally that he couldn't be the same as before anymore? Why? Makes no sense.

People say "his plan" well his plan truly only came to existence when Obito joined him.

Saying Madara used Genjutsu to escape and that he let Hashirama beat him , is a insult to Madara himself.. and basically calling him a idiotic person who didn't kill his enemy when he had the chance.

However, I have noticed this is only brought up by people who tend to him trying to make the Shodai on the same level as Madara.

@bold
Prove it, oh great Kishimoto.

@underlined
What good would killing Hashirama do to help Madara on the long run? It would only get Tobirama/the ninja world on his trail forever.
His mission is world peace.

 

[KingHashirama]

Hashirama>Madara

already a cannon fact, but no need to mention it. Plus not the point of the thread.

@bold
Prove it, oh great Kishimoto.

@underlined
What good would killing Hashirama do to help Madara on the long run? His mission is world peace.

@ bold : Fact that only reason he was living was due to Hashirama's dna.... lmao.

@ underlined : but letting Hashirama fatally wound him would do great help in long run right?

 

[TheCCV]

I agree only because of that last paragraph.

 

[ballerjordan]

Agreed.
Madara fans just make up this bs, ignore all those theories.
Hopefully we'll find out next chapter.

 

[KingHashirama]

I agree only because of that last paragraph.

"However, I have noticed this is only brought up by people who tend to him trying to make the Shodai on the same level as Madara."

That?

@underlined
What good would killing Hashirama do to help Madara on the long run? It would only get Tobirama/the ninja world on his trail forever.
His mission is world peace.

His mission was dictatorship, and power. He wanted world peace.. yet kept on attacking Konoha..

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[Multiply]

Beautiful. Well put. Hopefully Madara fanboys realize it's too late to save their greatly beloved. He is inferior to Hashi, and by no means did he place a genjutsu on him to "survive," or get his DNA. If he needed it so bad, killing him off the bat would have been the easiest way.

 

[UchihaKira]

It could be a fight to the death AND he used genjutsu to survive. It's not like Madara is just gonna roll over and die if he has anything else up his sleeve to survive. He obviously could have realized that he just couldnt defeat Hashi and did whatever he could to survive. Although I dislike the genjutsu theory and would like there to be a better explanation than that, it IS plausible and most of the things you said do not prove anything at all. I do agree Hashi > Madara but you just sound biased as shit and a biased persons opinion is 99% of the time invalid and corrupted by what you would like to happen rather than looking at the facts to decide what the most logical thing to happen is.

edit: also to you saying if Madara used genjutsu his wound wouldve been nonexistent, who said anything about him changing that with genjutsu? it is my understanding most people simply think he used genjutsu to fool Hashi into thinking he was already dead. Its quite obvious he WAS on the verge of death. the way I see it, IF the genjutsu theory is what really happened, he simply made it appear he was already dead when he was simply on the verge of death.

edit edit: one more thing, you say if Hashi was under genjutsu why didnt Madara kill him? Simple, he couldnt. They were both clearly at the end of the line however Hashi had the upperhand and it is very likely that if Madara had tried to pull anything other than faking his desth Hashi would have in fact realized it like you say and killed him. Madara is not stupid, he would know what he can and cant do. It was very likely he would rather swallow his pride and let Hashi think he killed him so he can follow his dream rather than die in a last, futile attempt to kill Hashi.

 

[Yusuke Urameshi]

What does pawned or cannon mean while relating to anime?

 

[FourthLegacy]

Niiice ~

I agree, if a fodder like kid Sakura could break out of Genjutsu, i guarantee you so can The First...specially the First.
Also to the non believers, Genjutsu is mentally.
He had that scar and he got that wound he didn't use genjutsu.

 

[Waltz]

Not impossible; highly unlikely. Don't underestimate madara. He was able to demolish the remains of the Shin-shuusenju and beat hashirama out of sage mode without the kyuubi's help. However, I agree for other reasons.

 

[FourthLegacy]

Not impossible; highly unlikely. Don't underestimate madara. He was able to demolish the remains of the Shin-shuusenju and beat hashirama out of sage mode without the kyuubi's help. However, I agree for other reasons.

Well Genjutsu is mentally
If he had actually cast the genjutsu how come he has a scar of the wound when he got stabbed?
It's highly likely. We don't mean to underestimate him he's still #2 just weaker than the First.

 

[GreenBeast]

Hashirama>Madara

Sums it all up

 

[KingHashirama]

It could be a fight to the death AND he used genjutsu to survive. It's not like Madara is just gonna roll over and die if he has anything else up his sleeve to survive. He obviously could have realized that he just couldnt defeat Hashi and did whatever he could to survive. Although I dislike the genjutsu theory and would like there to be a better explanation than that, it IS plausible and most of the things you said do not prove anything at all. I do agree Hashi > Madara but you just sound biased as shit and a biased persons opinion is 99% of the time invalid and corrupted by what you would like to happen rather than looking at the facts to decide what the most logical thing to happen is.

edit: also to you saying if Madara used genjutsu his wound wouldve been nonexistent, who said anything about him changing that with genjutsu? it is my understanding most people simply think he used genjutsu to fool Hashi into thinking he was already dead. Its quite obvious he WAS on the verge of death. the way I see it, IF the genjutsu theory is what really happened, he simply made it appear he was already dead when he was simply on the verge of death.

How can he caste a genjutsu on someone he had no eye contact with on his death. o-o

What does pawned or cannon mean while relating to anime?

no clue what your talking about...

Not impossible; highly unlikely. Don't underestimate madara. He was able to demolish the remains of the Shin-shuusenju and beat hashirama out of sage mode without the kyuubi's help. However, I agree for other reasons.

Wrong, Hashirama was not fighting the battle to kill Madara, till the end ;]. So "demolish" the remains .... uh no. lol.

I'm not underestimating Madara.... I'm saying Madara survived through pure will....

Also, Hashirama is the understimated one.. lol.

 

[PAIN86]

he had the EMS, probably deciphered the tablet and saw that he needed the body of the sage to awaken the rinnegan. took hashirama's DNA and used genjutsu to get away. so he could awaken the rinnegan then return to fight hashirama with his newly acquired powers and to finally beat him. jk i just pulled that out of nowhere. i think what Madara says happened, happened

 

[UchihaKira]

How can he caste a genjutsu on someone he had no eye contact with on his death. o-o

no clue what your talking about...


Wrong, Hashirama was not fighting the battle to kill Madara, till the end ;]. So "demolish" the remains .... uh no. lol.

I'm not underestimating Madara.... I'm saying Madara survived through pure will....

Also, Hashirama is the understimated one.. lol.

I added more btw lol, but is that really your argument? Itachi has already shown us that that is more than possible. Also look at the post above mine, THAT looks like eye contact to me.

 

[Umari Senju]

why can't Madara fans just except he lost the fight? He didn't need genjutsu. For all tense and purposes he lost the fight. If anything, Hashirama should have been more thorough in making sure Madara was dead. He obviously survived the wound.

Man yo guys act like if Madara lost to Hashi this somehow makes him weak or something. Other than Hashirama, no other Shinobi is on par with Madara. and Edo Madara is even stronger then before.

What more do you guys want? He is a freaking beast currently and you can't except that he lost one fight? Seriously guys...

 

[The Work]

I agree with everything you said here sir

 

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

Hashirama>Madara

current madara>hashirama and idk, i am will just wait till next week