Madara, One Piece..... other issues

[Loki d]

I got tired of seeing people make these claims so I thought I will address them.

1. One Piece Logias don't have Intangibility. They have the ability to become natural elements and so on. If they were intangible then every fight they would be phasing through each other. When was lightning intangible? The reason Ace lost to Akainu was because his element was inferior. "Elements have effect on other elements" also these elements have particles.

2. Hebi Sasuke can solo Enel easily since he can control lightning and is way faster than it. Gaara can solo Crocodile. Anyone with molecular manipulation/destruction can solo. I'm stating this because someone in a thread Kaguya couldn't beat Logias.

3. Madara is faster than the Raikage 4th. He has always been faster than both Raikage's actually. He blitzed Sage mode Naruto neg diff I guess that danger sensing was no help.

4. Kakashi cut a lightning bolt and reacted to one in the fight with Hidan and Kakuzu. Laser circus is a technique that shoots "lasers" and Sage Art Light Fang is a light speed attack. Both attacks have been reacted to easily. I don't know how fast they are now.

5. Kaguya solo'd 100,000 people who didn't have chakra with a Genjutsu. Madara doesn't need the moon to use Mugen Tsukuyomi he used it in Chapter 606 page 11-12. A target doesn't need chakra for Genjutsu Kaguya proved this.That means Itachi, Kaguya, Sasuke, and Madara can solo Goku or other characters Logias included I don't care what anybody says.

6. Stop it with the fanfiction Goku is not Vegeta. Goku will never blow up a planet in a fight it's just not him. Similar to Logias fake intangibility and Iceman's so called invincibility.

7. Also Dbz has inconsistency just like every other manga. Goku is not the strongest character in manga/anime. People need to wake up.

Saitama one punches.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

No, but Goku moves at speeds that the Narutoverse cannot fathom. Going slow, he blitzes.

 

[Aznkidd]

No, but Goku moves at speeds that the Narutoverse cannot fathom. Going slow, he blitzes.

Where is scan proof ?
If not go home

 

[Cade]

Solo King Lawd Itachi solos

Spoiler

neg diff

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Where is scan proof ?
If not go home

Piccolo post Raditz fight shoots an uncharge ki beam/blast and destroys the moon instantly. We see no travel time. [

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Piccolo, Goku, and everyone in that tier casually dodge attacks like that.
No one in the Narutoverse has ever used an attack of that speed or strength before.
These attacks destroy them all effortlessly, if not the Z fighters at Saiyan saga just blitzing and sending them all into coma's.

 

[Punk Hazard]

1. You are correct on this front.

2. No he cannot. While Sasuke can control lightning, he can't harm Enel with Lightning because Enel is lightning. It would be like trying to kill a creature made of water by drowning it. Hebi Sasuke cannot harm Enel in any way.

3. Okay?

4. The Kakashi cutting the lightning bolt thing never happened. It would mean Kakashi would have had to notice the lightning, take out his Sharingan, form his seals for Chidori, mold chakra for Chidori, transform the chakra, then strike the lightning bolt, all within a fraction of a second. Kakashi's usage of Chidori and Raikiri indicate that his process takes far more than a fraction of a second. Raiton techniques aren't as fast as normal lightning, as Zetsu stated that natural lightning had a striking speed that made Kirin a technique impossible for most ninja to pull off with chakra alone. So, the technique that Kakashi stopped from Kakuzu was not the same speed as natural lightning. Laser Circus falls into the same principle. As for Madara's attack, the same paragraph that stated it to be light speed also said it cannot be dodged by any opponent, but Naruto dodged it. So, that is simply hype that isn't credible.

5. Everyone had chakra by the time Kaguya used the Genjutsu. It was also never stated how many people she induced under Genjutsu. Genjutsu was explicitly stated to work by manipulating the opponent's chakra via entering your chakra into their chakra network. Genjutsu will always only work on Naruto characters.

6. It's not about if Goku WILL, but that Goku CAN. If the planet is desolate with no life, then he wouldn't care if it's destroyed or not.

 

[juzumaki]

any body with water style can beat a devil fruit user...

 

[Loki d]

1. You are correct on this front.

2. No he cannot. While Sasuke can control lightning, he can't harm Enel with Lightning because Enel is lightning. It would be like trying to kill a creature made of water by drowning it. Hebi Sasuke cannot harm Enel in any way.

3. Okay?

4. The Kakashi cutting the lightning bolt thing never happened. It would mean Kakashi would have had to notice the lightning, take out his Sharingan, form his seals for Chidori, mold chakra for Chidori, transform the chakra, then strike the lightning bolt, all within a fraction of a second. Kakashi's usage of Chidori and Raikiri indicate that his process takes far more than a fraction of a second. Raiton techniques aren't as fast as normal lightning, as Zetsu stated that natural lightning had a striking speed that made Kirin a technique impossible for most ninja to pull off with chakra alone. So, the technique that Kakashi stopped from Kakuzu was not the same speed as natural lightning. Laser Circus falls into the same principle. As for Madara's attack, the same paragraph that stated it to be light speed also said it cannot be dodged by any opponent, but Naruto dodged it. So, that is simply hype that isn't credible.

5. Everyone had chakra by the time Kaguya used the Genjutsu. It was also never stated how many people she induced under Genjutsu. Genjutsu was explicitly stated to work by manipulating the opponent's chakra via entering your chakra into their chakra network. Genjutsu will always only work on Naruto characters.

6. It's not about if Goku WILL, but that Goku CAN. If the planet is desolate with no life, then he wouldn't care if it's destroyed or not.

2. Sasuke can solidify Enel's electric particles like how he does his raiton chidori. Hebi Sasuke can solo Enel.

4. No other technique was stated to be lightning except for False Darkness in the SFX. Kirin could have been impossible to dodge because of its size/blast radius. Also you contradict yourself how can Light fang not be light speed when it's the same thing as Kirin so I guers Kirin is not really lightning speed because it's undodgeable.

5. You don't pay attention to the manga the 100,00 zetsu don't mean anything to you. No because Hagoromo spreader chakra after he defeated his mother.

6. Fanfiction. I know what goku can do but saying he will do it is fanfic.

 

[Zealotic]

TBH there are a lot of characters who can solo Goku before he blows up the planet

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Where is scan proof ?
If not go home

Are you a retard? Goku is at least Mach 2500 by feats. There BS pixel scaling involved

Naruto characters are barely mach 20

 

[Joseph Gomes]

I got tired of seeing people make these claims so I thought I will address them.

1. One Piece Logias don't have Intangibility. They have the ability to become natural elements and so on. If they were intangible then every fight they would be phasing through each other. When was lightning intangible? The reason Ace lost to Akainu was because his element was inferior. "Elements have effect on other elements" also these elements have particles.

2. Hebi Sasuke can solo Enel easily since he can control lightning and is way faster than it. Gaara can solo Crocodile. Anyone with molecular manipulation/destruction can solo. I'm stating this because someone in a thread Kaguya couldn't beat Logias.

3. Madara is faster than the Raikage 4th. He has always been faster than both Raikage's actually. He blitzed Sage mode Naruto neg diff I guess that danger sensing was no help.

4. Kakashi cut a lightning bolt and reacted to one in the fight with Hidan and Kakuzu. Laser circus is a technique that shoots "lasers" and Sage Art Light Fang is a light speed attack. Both attacks have been reacted to easily. I don't know how fast they are now.

5. Kaguya solo'd 100,000 people who didn't have chakra with a Genjutsu. Madara doesn't need the moon to use Mugen Tsukuyomi he used it in Chapter 606 page 11-12. A target doesn't need chakra for Genjutsu Kaguya proved this.That means Itachi, Kaguya, Sasuke, and Madara can solo Goku or other characters Logias included I don't care what anybody says.

6. Stop it with the fanfiction Goku is not Vegeta. Goku will never blow up a planet in a fight it's just not him. Similar to Logias fake intangibility and Iceman's so called invincibility.

7. Also Dbz has inconsistency just like every other manga. Goku is not the strongest character in manga/anime. People need to wake up.

Saitama one punches.

You went full retard in No. 5. Manga says you need chakra to use genjutsu. Anything else is fanfic speculation

 

[7th Biggest OP Fan]

I got tired of seeing people make these claims so I thought I will address them.

1. One Piece Logias don't have Intangibility. They have the ability to become natural elements and so on. If they were intangible then every fight they would be phasing through each other. When was lightning intangible? The reason Ace lost to Akainu was because his element was inferior. "Elements have effect on other elements" also these elements have particles.

Yes, but you must know what element is superior to the other. I mean what elements do you need to make up rubber so you can counter lightning. Also, it isn't so black and white with the elements as you make it out to be. Almost everyone here would agree Fire > Ice, but Aokiji was able to outclass Ace when they clashed. This just means it depends on the user as well. Some people who wield their DF's are just better and have stronger attacks that can counter their weakness. A master of the ice fruit can beat an amateur with the fire fruit. Just like a A rank wind attack can beat a C rank fire attack. And how do you counter a light man with elements?

2. Hebi Sasuke can solo Enel easily since he can control lightning and is way faster than it. Gaara can solo Crocodile. Anyone with molecular manipulation/destruction can solo. I'm stating this because someone in a thread Kaguya couldn't beat Logias.

No. They control those elements because they have infused chakra into those elements. Garras sand abilities have his chakra in them which allows him to control sand. He would have to do that to crocodile before he could control him if that is even possible. Sasuke just directed the lightning which was infused with chakra. He was the lightning rod per say. And Kaguya doesn't have the ability to destroy someone with DF intangibility if we allow for hyperbole. However, the only reason I would say she could beat them is because we haven't seen a Logia DF user recover from an attack of Kaguya's level. Saying they can without manga facts to back it up is a hyperbole.

3. Madara is faster than the Raikage 4th. He has always been faster than both Raikage's actually. He blitzed Sage mode Naruto neg diff I guess that danger sensing was no help.

Yep. Madara is a fast ****.

4. Kakashi cut a lightning bolt and reacted to one in the fight with Hidan and Kakuzu. Laser circus is a technique that shoots "lasers" and Sage Art Light Fang is a light speed attack. Both attacks have been reacted to easily. I don't know how fast they are now.

No one would accept that they are light speed. Just like most people from One Piece don't accept Kizaru is LS all the time. Hyperbole is hyperbole. If you wanted to bring up a better wanked technique, you should have mentioned Haku and his light speed crystal ice mirrors.

5. Kaguya solo'd 100,000 people who didn't have chakra with a Genjutsu. Madara doesn't need the moon to use Mugen Tsukuyomi he used it in Chapter 606 page 11-12. A target doesn't need chakra for Genjutsu Kaguya proved this.That means Itachi, Kaguya, Sasuke, and Madara can solo Goku or other characters Logias included I don't care what anybody says.

Everything is the Narutoverse has chakra. Also, there is such things as speed. Some characters can move way faster then Itachi, Kaguya, Sasuke, Madara, etc, before they can even think about using genjutsu. Kami Tenchi being one of these people.

6. Stop it with the fanfiction Goku is not Vegeta. Goku will never blow up a planet in a fight it's just not him. Similar to Logias fake intangibility and Iceman's so called invincibility.

Yes I agree. People wank DBZ so much, they don't even understand their own verses feats. The bold I don't agree with.

7. Also Dbz has inconsistency just like every other manga. Goku is not the strongest character in manga/anime. People need to wake up.

Saitama one punches.

True dat. Saitama may not beat Goku if he can't hit him. Remember speed is a thing. If you can't hit someone with your hacked ability, then whats the point?

But many characters can solo DBZ verse, I just don't think One Punch Man is one of them.

 

[Punk Hazard]

2. Sasuke can solidify Enel's electric particles like how he does his raiton chidori. Hebi Sasuke can solo Enel.

4. No other technique was stated to be lightning except for False Darkness in the SFX. Kirin could have been impossible to dodge because of its size/blast radius. Also you contradict yourself how can Light fang not be light speed when it's the same thing as Kirin so I guers Kirin is not really lightning speed because it's undodgeable.

5. You don't pay attention to the manga the 100,00 zetsu don't mean anything to you. No because Hagoromo spreader chakra after he defeated his mother.

6. Fanfiction. I know what goku can do but saying he will do it is fanfic.

2. Even if Sasuke could¨solidify¨ Enel while he's transformed as lightning, that's not the same as turning Enel from lightning into flesh. If Sasuke ¨solidified" Enel, he'd still be transformed into lightning and if Sasuke struck him, the Logia benefit would still apply. Case in point, Aokiji. He is a sold Logia, and when broken in ice form, he can just reconstruct himself. If Sasuke attacks Enel, Enel will always be able to reform.

4. Light Fang isn't the same as Kirin though? The point of my statement is that the very same paragraph that stated Light Fang moves at light speed also called undodgeable, but it was dodged. Meaning, the paragraph's credibility has been voided, and there is no credible proof that it's light speed.

5. Where are you getting this number from? Also, Hagoromo didn't spread chakra, he spread his teachings on how to use chakra. He went around teaching people how to use the chakra that was already in their bodies.

6. Because Goku fighting a character from another series isn't?

 

[LogicnoJutsu]

1. You are correct on this front.

2. No he cannot. While Sasuke can control lightning, he can't harm Enel with Lightning because Enel is lightning. It would be like trying to kill a creature made of water by drowning it. Hebi Sasuke cannot harm Enel in any way.

3. Okay?

4. The Kakashi cutting the lightning bolt thing never happened. It would mean Kakashi would have had to notice the lightning, take out his Sharingan, form his seals for Chidori, mold chakra for Chidori, transform the chakra, then strike the lightning bolt, all within a fraction of a second. Kakashi's usage of Chidori and Raikiri indicate that his process takes far more than a fraction of a second. Raiton techniques aren't as fast as normal lightning, as Zetsu stated that natural lightning had a striking speed that made Kirin a technique impossible for most ninja to pull off with chakra alone. So, the technique that Kakashi stopped from Kakuzu was not the same speed as natural lightning. Laser Circus falls into the same principle. As for Madara's attack, the same paragraph that stated it to be light speed also said it cannot be dodged by any opponent, but Naruto dodged it. So, that is simply hype that isn't credible.

5. Everyone had chakra by the time Kaguya used the Genjutsu. It was also never stated how many people she induced under Genjutsu. Genjutsu was explicitly stated to work by manipulating the opponent's chakra via entering your chakra into their chakra network. Genjutsu will always only work on Naruto characters.

6. It's not about if Goku WILL, but that Goku CAN. If the planet is desolate with no life, then he wouldn't care if it's destroyed or not.

Kakashi did cut a bolt of Lightning in 2, thats why its called Lightning blade. He didn't actually attempt to cut lightning it was a coincidence that while charging to pierce his opponent a bolt of lightning came down and he cut it in 2 before it touched the ground. Though you're right it doesn't determine his speed.

 

[Ansatsuken]

Cool Beans

 

[Punk Hazard]

Kakashi did cut a bolt of Lightning in 2, thats why its called Lightning blade. He didn't actually attempt to cut lightning it was a coincidence that while charging to pierce his opponent a bolt of lightning came down and he cut it in 2 before it touched the ground. Though you're right it doesn't determine his speed.

Where was this in the manga?

 

[Loki d]

Are you a retard? Goku is at least Mach 2500 by feats. There BS pixel scaling involved

Naruto characters are barely mach 20

Minato is mach 2100 in base

 

[Loki d]

Yes, but you must know what element is superior to the other. I mean what elements do you need to make up rubber so you can counter lightning. Also, it isn't so black and white with the elements as you make it out to be. Almost everyone here would agree Fire > Ice, but Aokiji was able to outclass Ace when they clashed. This just means it depends on the user as well. Some people who wield their DF's are just better and have stronger attacks that can counter their weakness. A master of the ice fruit can beat an amateur with the fire fruit. Just like a A rank wind attack can beat a C rank fire attack. And how do you counter a light man with elements?



No. They control those elements because they have infused chakra into those elements. Garras sand abilities have his chakra in them which allows him to control sand. He would have to do that to crocodile before he could control him if that is even possible. Sasuke just directed the lightning which was infused with chakra. He was the lightning rod per say. And Kaguya doesn't have the ability to destroy someone with DF intangibility if we allow for hyperbole. However, the only reason I would say she could beat them is because we haven't seen a Logia DF user recover from an attack of Kaguya's level. Saying they can without manga facts to back it up is a hyperbole.


Yep. Madara is a fast ****.


No one would accept that they are light speed. Just like most people from One Piece don't accept Kizaru is LS all the time. Hyperbole is hyperbole. If you wanted to bring up a better wanked technique, you should have mentioned Haku and his light speed crystal ice mirrors.


Everything is the Narutoverse has chakra. Also, there is such things as speed. Some characters can move way faster then Itachi, Kaguya, Sasuke, Madara, etc, before they can even think about using genjutsu. Kami Tenchi being one of these people.

Yes I agree. People wank DBZ so much, they don't even understand their own verses feats. The bold I don't agree with.


True dat. Saitama may not beat Goku if he can't hit him. Remember speed is a thing. If you can't hit someone with your hacked ability, then whats the point?

But many characters can solo DBZ verse, I just don't think One Punch Man is one of them.

It is black and white my point was that they were not intangible. A person with gravitational fields manipulation can defeat Kizaru and "maybe" lightning.

Wtf are you talking? Then they can control Logia users and Enel's attacks would be ineffective against Sasuke. This is where I laughed sorry but anyone with molecular manipulation can beat a logia user excluding Kizaru you do know that these elements are made of particles that can be destroyed. Since when was fire and ice invincible?

I know no one will accept that they are light speed but it's still FACT that they are. I guess one piece is too idk I stopped at ep 325.

Not when Kaguya was around no one had chakra because Hagoromo didn't spread his ninshu teaching until Kaguya was defeated and sealed away.

GetBackers solo the whole Dbz universe. I wasn't saying Saitama can I just wanted to end of with that line.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It is black and white my point was that they were not intangible. A person with gravitational fields manipulation can defeat Kizaru and "maybe" lightning.

Wtf are you talking? Then they can control Logia users and Enel's attacks would be ineffective against Sasuke. This is where I laughed sorry but anyone with molecular manipulation can beat a logia user excluding Kizaru you do know that these elements are made of particles that can be destroyed. Since when was fire and ice invincible?

I know no one will accept that they are light speed but it's still FACT that they are. I guess one piece is too idk I stopped at ep 325.

Not when Kaguya was around no one had chakra because Hagoromo didn't spread his ninshu teaching until Kaguya was defeated and sealed away.

GetBackers solo the whole Dbz universe. I wasn't saying Saitama can I just wanted to end of with that line.

How would Enel's attacks be ineffective against Sasuke?

 

[Loki d]

2. Even if Sasuke could¨solidify¨ Enel while he's transformed as lightning, that's not the same as turning Enel from lightning into flesh. If Sasuke ¨solidified" Enel, he'd still be transformed into lightning and if Sasuke struck him, the Logia benefit would still apply. Case in point, Aokiji. He is a sold Logia, and when broken in ice form, he can just reconstruct himself. If Sasuke attacks Enel, Enel will always be able to reform.

4. Light Fang isn't the same as Kirin though? The point of my statement is that the very same paragraph that stated Light Fang moves at light speed also called undodgeable, but it was dodged. Meaning, the paragraph's credibility has been voided, and there is no credible proof that it's light speed.

5. Where are you getting this number from? Also, Hagoromo didn't spread chakra, he spread his teachings on how to use chakra. He went around teaching people how to use the chakra that was already in their bodies.

6. Because Goku fighting a character from another series isn't?

2. My point was that Sasuke can manipulate Enel and his attacks plus he wouldn't be effected by lightning. Enel will become Sasuke's puppet and Sasuke can kill Enel when becomes solid.

4. Light Fang and Kirin are the same both are natural and both were stated to be undodgeable which is not true only those are capable of dodging it can just like how only those worthy can lift Thor's hammer. Kirin can be dodged by many people because everyone was faster than lightning at the time that doesn't make Kirin not credible heck of it wasn't for all the nerfs Itachi could have dodged it neg diff. A near blind crippled on the verge of death Itachi managed to activate Susanoo even though the attack could have blinded him because of its light that's one hell of a feat. Kirin will be undodgeable if put in the same situation as Itachi.

5. Have you not been paying attention in the manga the 100,000 white Zetsu were the victims of Kaguya's Mugen Tsukuyomi. Alright if you want to say Hagoromo taught people lets go with that then. It was stated that Hagoromo created the Shinobi world however everyone is not a shinobi, and everyone were not taught just like the Nara clan only knows the shadow possession jutsu because it is taught and passed down. I don't see how the ramen guy and his daughter have chakra or Island Turtle. Everyone were not taught because everyone are not shinobi. Either way I am right therefore Genjutsu works on anyone without chakra.

6. True but trying to turn him into a character he is not is another thing.