Madara needed a lot to match Hashirama.

[Holy God]

Base Hashirama>=EMS Madara

Edo Hashirama=Edo Madara

VOTE Hashirama>VOTE Madara

Madara only surpassed Hashirama when he got the Rinnegan.

Edo Madara is stronger than Edo Hashirama.

 

[Demonic.]

Edo Madara is stronger than Edo Hashirama.

Actually,he's not. Edo Madara lost to Edo Hashirama. Madara was bound, and Hashirama would still move until Madara was revived.

 

[Holy God]

Actually,he's not. Edo Madara lost to Edo Hashirama. Madara was bound, and Hashirama would still move until Madara was revived.

Madara could have binded Hashirama at any time. Not to mention that Madara only used his first-life powers for the fun of the battle. Not once did we see him use the Wood Style or any Rinnegan features.

 

[Transcendence]

Madara could have binded Hashirama at any time. Not to mention that Madara only used his first-life powers for the fun of the battle. Not once did we see him use the Wood Style or any Rinnegan features.

Hashirama explicitly stated that Madara tried to use Preta Path but his own Mokuton negated it. So your argument falls on its face here. Edo Hashirama canonically bound Edo Madara and Madara had no way of getting out, besides Naruto weakening Obito so he could be revived and regain his stronger alive chakra like every other Edo. Edo Madara lost.

 

[Demonic.]

Madara could have binded Hashirama at any time. Not to mention that Madara only used his first-life powers for the fun of the battle. Not once did we see him use the Wood Style or any Rinnegan features.

Nope, not that easy. Naruto already resisted Nagato up close. Just because Hashirama was impaled doesn't mean Madara had the power to bind him. It wasn't until Madara was revived and retrieved his powers did he have the strength to bind a weakened Hashirama.

 

[Holy God]

Hashirama explicitly stated that Madara tried to use Preta Path but his own Mokuton negated it. So your argument falls on its face here. Edo Hashirama canonically bound Edo Madara and Madara had no way of getting out, besides Naruto weakening Obito so he could be revived and regain his stronger alive chakra like every other Edo. Edo Madara lost.

That's an opinion. Madara said if it weren't for Naruto, he'd have to deal with Obito himself, implying that he could have gotten loose at any moment.

 

[Holy God]

Nope, not that easy. Naruto already resisted Nagato up close. Just because Hashirama was impaled doesn't mean Madara had the power to bind him. It wasn't until Madara was revived and retrieved his powers did he have the strength to bind a weakened Hashirama.

That makes no sense. Madara could have bound him at any moment. Saying he could only do so when alive is Ludacris.

Just because I ate cheese during lunch, doesn't mean I couldn't have during breakfast.

 

[Transcendence]

That's an opinion. Madara said if it weren't for Naruto, he'd have to deal with Obito himself, implying that he could have gotten loose at any moment.

That's you implying that, not the manga. We all know how Obito vs Edo Madara would have went down if it did. Madara just has a ridiculous superiority complex thinking he can take on anything.

 

[Holy God]

That's you implying that, not the manga. We all know how Obito vs Edo Madara would have went down if it did. Madara just has a ridiculous superiority complex thinking he can take on anything.

Madara could have won in my opinion, and obviously Madara thought so as well. Him saying that does imply that he could have gotten out of the occurring situation.

 

[Demonic.]

That makes no sense. Madara could have bound him at any moment. Saying he could only do so when alive is Ludacris.

Just because I ate cheese during lunch, doesn't mean I couldn't have during breakfast.

It makes perfect sense. Naruto proved the rods can be overcomed:

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Kind of a no limit fallacy if you think the rods can automatically bind anyone. Can Rinnegan Madara bind Kaguya if he impales her with a rod? Hashirama and Madara are physically equals, he needed to be weakened first.

 

[Holy God]

It makes perfect sense. Naruto proved the rods can be overcomed:

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Kind of a no limit fallacy if you think the rods can automatically bind anyone. Can Rinnegan Madara bind Kaguya if he impales her with a rod? Hashirama and Madara are physically equals, he needed to be weakened first.

lel
One rod is not the equivalent of 4 impaling your back.

 

[Transcendence]

Madara could have won in my opinion, and obviously Madara thought so as well. Him saying that does imply that he could have gotten out of the occurring situation.

Nothing suggests Madara has anywhere near the reaction time to react to a blitz to which his body is erased by Onymoudon. And likewise, he has no counter to a barrier+Juubidama combo. Again, if you follow his character so much not just for power (which is rare with Madara fans) you'll realize Madara is a walking psychological time bomb. He's a narcissist, has a dual superiority-inferiority complex and many other things. So him implying he can actually touch a Juubi Jin Obito in that state is fallacious and part of his own delusions which are part of his own character.

 

[Demonic.]

lel
One rod is not the equivalent of 4 impaling your back.

Doesn't matter how many rods there are. The rods work using the users chakra:

The receivers are able to disrupt the chakra pathway system of anyone who touches them by injecting them with the user's chakra, potentially restricting their movement and preventing them from using techniques.

Which proves my point. Madara didn't have the strength to bind Hashi until Madara was revived and Hashirama was weakened.

 

[Holy God]

Nothing suggests Madara has anywhere near the reaction time to react to a blitz to which his body is erased by Onymoudon. And likewise, he has no counter to a barrier+Juubidama combo. Again, if you follow his character so much not just for power (which is rare with Madara fans) you'll realize Madara is a walking psychological time bomb. He's a narcissist, has a dual superiority-inferiority complex and many other things. So him implying he can actually touch a Juubi Jin Obito in that state is fallacious and part of his own delusions which are part of his own character.

The Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan was able to keep up with Obito's movements, so of course Madara can react. I'm also pretty sure there is a Wood Style technique that allows you to move through the environment. He used it against the Kage and I think I've seen Hashirama use it as well. I don't feel like going into full detail with this right now. Feel free to make another topic on it though and I'd respond later with a full response.

 

[Holy God]

Doesn't matter how many rods there are. The rods work using the users chakra:

The receivers are able to disrupt the chakra pathway system of anyone who touches them by injecting them with the user's chakra, potentially restricting their movement and preventing them from using techniques.

Which proves my point. Madara didn't have the strength to bind Hashi until Madara was revived and Hashirama was weakened.

That's still arguable. Even if it was correct, it doesn't change that neither of them used their full arsenal, therefore we can't trust the manga's output as a realistic one.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Op is right. It parallels to naruto and sasuke's vote fight as well.

 

[Dannie]

Can you go back to your old name SimbaPrides? I like that better.

As for the thread, I kinda agree.

 

[To Whatever]

Can you go back to your old name SimbaPrides? I like that better.

As for the thread, I kinda agree.

Meh, I just might.

 

[Bronze]

He only needed EMS to match Hashirama.