Madara & Kaguya stats comparison

[MadaraReturns]

Lol, that just worsens the quality of your claim. Get me panels of Sakura legitimately blitzing Kaguya, and then we'll talk. Cause her having to deal with Naruto and Sasuke, not paying attention to Sakura, and flying upwards while Sakura was coming down isn't a legitimate blitz. The fact you'd even claim that Sakura blitzed Kaguya only makes me not want to take you seriously.

No, its not. Because Madara killing Sasuke or vice versa relates to overall strength, which differs as we have clearly seen. Nothing begins to imply he got faster from getting another eye ball, so unless you show me the speed difference, you have no point here. Sasuke blitzed Madara while Kaguya reacted, thus she's faster than he is.

lol bro, wtf you said that sasuke's blitz was a blitz because madara turned around and sasuke chopped him before he could do anything, isn't it more impressive that sakura stomped kaguya before she even could look up?

 

[KidGamer65]

lol bro, wtf you said that sasuke's blitz was a blitz because madara turned around and sasuke chopped him before he could do anything, isn't it more impressive that sakura stomped kaguya before she even could look up?

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That was a blitz as well.

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Are you still trying to argue that Sakura can blitz Kaguya? Despite not showing me any legitimate panels? Despite me explaining why the panel you posted isn't legit? How does me explaining why Madara's blitz was a blitz relate to Kaguya? Sakura didn't do what Sasuke did, so why are you trying to relate the two?

I bet you think Sakura is faster than Sasuke using his teleportation to strike. Cause that is what your argumentation leads to.

 

[Djokovic]

-Izanagi is the only reason he'd be put up there, but with that I can agree that his versatility
-Doesn't mean they both aren't a 10.
-Did getting another eyeball make Madara faster? Not last time I checked.

- Glad we solved case one, 2 to go.
- I think its unfair for Kaguya if I give Madara 10 for chakra/stamina as it was mentioned in the manga that shes the superior one chakra wise. These stats need to be related between these chars. She has more chakra and should be noticed while rating her.
- 2-3 Rinnegan Madara remains untouched, you forgot that the only reason Sasuke is rated this high recently is only duo the Rinnegan he recieved. You refuse to anknowledge what 2 extra Rinnegans can do, especially 9 tamoe Rinnegan.

Imho you shouldn't waste your time with Kid.... He's become very sloppy over time... He didn't even notice you said Sakura and not Sasuke... This isn't the first time he hasn't payed attention. In his haste.... Oh how we stumble in it.... XD Nonetheless you are correct....

Atleast hes not denying that Madara is the superior one.
I have to agree that Kid is getting a lil rusty, but who can blame him when the manga is sh1t atm and Kishi likes to turn his own manga facts around.

 

[KidGamer65]

- Glad we solved case one, 2 to go.
- I think its unfair for Kaguya if I give Madara 10 for chakra/stamina as it was mentioned in the manga that shes the superior one chakra wise. These stats need to be related between these chars. She has more chakra and should be noticed while rating her.
- 2-3 Rinnegan Madara remains untouched, you forgot that the only reason Sasuke is rated this high recently is only duo the Rinnegan he recieved. You refuse to anknowledge what 2 extra Rinnegans can do, especially 9 tamoe Rinnegan.

Then that makes sense.

Its because he got Rinnegan AND Hagoromo's chakra. Getting an eye alone has never made anyone faster, why would Madara get faster?

 

[Djokovic]

Then that makes sense.

Its because he got Rinnegan AND Hagoromo's chakra. Getting an eye alone has never made anyone faster, why would Madara get faster?

I remember Madara telling Sasuke how well he moved based on his tamoe sharingan so there is a little logic here behind the eyes as Kishi implies.

Also kid can you make your own stats Im kinda curious.

 

[Djokovic]

Pretty sure half of the categories you listed aren't even listed in DB. Mental strength, wut?

Mental strength is important and its sole reason why Obito and Nagato lost to Naruto.

 

[Legitimate]

I was curious how the base would rate them going by Kishis own data book category.

Rate scale 1-10
Give 10 when its absolutely flawless. Also try to explain why you gave a certain rating if possible.

Madara

nin= 10 - Pair of Rinnegans and 3rd Tamoe Rinnegan
tai= 9 - Was able to compete against 8th gate until Kakashi and Minato, Lee and Gaara ganked.
gen= 10 - EMS, IT
intelligence= 10 - One of the few villains who accomplished his goal and came this far.
power= 10 - Juubi jin, Yin yang release
speed= 9 - Juubi jin
stamina/chakra= 9 - Juubi jin/ Indra chakra, Sage and what not. lol He has everything
Mental strength= 10 - Never once did he regret his actions during fight or had a breakdown.



Total= 77


Kaguya

nin= 9 - I expected more from her, Madara left a bigger impression since he was revived vs Alliance.
tai= 8 - She was able to hold herself against Naruto and Sasuke, well barely but still a great achievement.
gen= 9 - Besides IT we have not seen her use anything else.
intellegence= 4 - She actualy deserves lower than 4, but going by logic she shouldnt be really that dumb. I think she just lacks battle experience.

power= 10 - Juubi jin
speed= 8 - With 2 pair of eyes and Rinnegan she should have been able to react to Naruto, but got stomped instead.
Not really impressed, but giving her 8 seems reasonable.Maybe she deserves lower since Madara dint even lift a finger vs Nasuke with 2 Rinnegans.
stamina/chakra= 10 - Manga fact
Mental strength= 6 Would have given her 10, if she didnt started to cry. She is persistent about getting all the chakra, but still that breakdown was odd.
overall= 64


Madara=77
Kaguya= 64

Power and Mental Strength don't exist in Databook Stats, it's a fanfiction. And Stats don't win fights.

Kaguya

Ninjutsu = 10 = Kekkei Mōra = it encompassed all natures as well as Yin–Yang Release and it could be used to create a new space.

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Time Space Portal:

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Dimension Shifting:

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Genjutsu = IT = 10

Taijutsu = 8

Intelligence = 8

Strength = 10

Speed = 10

Kaguya can exponentially increase his power and speed by extracting chakra from Shinobi trapped in Infinite Tsukuyomi.

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Stamina/Chakra = 10

Handseals = 0 = She isn't a Shinobi and no need.

Total = 66


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Madara:

Ninjutsu = 9

Genjutsu = 10

Taijutsu = 9

Intelligence = 10

Strength = 9

Speed = 9

Stamina = 9

Handseals = 10

Total = 75


Still, it doesn't make Madara stronger, anyone from DBZ would make a zero stats in Ninjutsu, Genjutsu and HandSeals but it doesn't mean they're weaker. Also, A > B > C logic doesn't work in Naruto Manga.

 

[Djokovic]

Power and Mental Strength don't exist in Databook Stats, it's a fanfiction. And Stats don't win fights.

Kaguya

Ninjutsu = 10 = Kekkei Mōra = it encompassed all natures as well as Yin–Yang Release and it could be used to create a new space.

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Time Space Portal:

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Dimension Shifting:

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Genjutsu = IT = 10

Taijutsu = 8

Intelligence = 8

Strength = 10

Speed = 10

Kaguya can exponentially increase his power and speed by extracting chakra from Shinobi trapped in Infinite Tsukuyomi.

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Stamina/Chakra = 10

Handseals = 0 = She isn't a Shinobi and no need.

Total = 66


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Madara:

Ninjutsu = 9

Genjutsu = 10

Taijutsu = 9

Intelligence = 10

Strength = 9

Speed = 9

Stamina = 9

Handseals = 10

Total = 75


Still, it doesn't make Madara stronger, anyone from DBZ would make a zero stats in Ninjutsu, Genjutsu and HandSeals but it doesn't mean they're weaker. Also, A > B > C logic doesn't work in Naruto Manga.

What did I just read... ofcourse these stats would be invalid for any non Naruto manga. lol
Give me one example where one single Shinobi ( Naruto manga lool) has the clear edge in stats but doesnt win by logic.
And did you really rate Kaguya's intelligence 8 out of 10?

 

[Legitimate]

What did I just read... ofcourse these stats would be invalid for any non Naruto manga. lol
And did you really rate Kaguya's intelligence 8 out of 10?

Kaguya is using her All-Killing Ash Bones in combo with her Time Space Portal and Dimension Shifting.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

A goddess should be perfect. Yet not all 10's I mean maybe not a 10/10 on looks but... meh

 

[Djokovic]

Kaguya is using her All-Killing Ash Bones in combo with her Time Space Portal and Dimension Shifting.

What are you saying? What relevance does this have in our last discussion?
The sky is blue.

You are one weird fellow.

 

[Legitimate]

What are you saying? What relevance does this have in our last discussion?
The sky is blue.

You are one weird fellow.

You edited your post. It only shows, she displayed some kind of intelligence.

What did I just read... ofcourse these stats would be invalid for any non Naruto manga. lol

My point is, Kaguya is on a whole different level, Kaguya isn't even a Shinobi to begin with and that Kekkei Mora (that could create new time space) alone is enough to show us that she's above Madara. Stats are for Shinobi alone as there is Handseal in that department.

Give me one example where one single Shinobi ( Naruto manga lool) has the clear edge in stats but doesnt win by logic.

Shikamaru-Temari.

Choji-Jirobo

 

[Djokovic]

My point is, Kaguya is on a whole different level, Kaguya isn't even a Shinobi to begin with and that Kekkei Mora (that could create new time space) alone is enough to show us that she's above Madara.

Madara has the same Juubi eye 9 tamoes which posseses space time, like Kaguya's... even Sasukes eye has space time. Sakura landed a punch and Naruto solod her arm. This alone tells me shes not on the same level as Madara.

Again why did you give her 8/10 for intelligence since you base your ratings on feats only?

Shikamaru-Temari.

Show me stats. Show me that Temari owns Shikamaru in stats big time, but loses in real combat like weve seen.
Do you understand my point?

 

[Legitimate]

Madara has the same Juubi eye 9 tamoes which posseses space time, like Kaguya's... even Sasukes eye has space time.

Madara doesn't even know about that Juubi Eye Space Time Ability and Kaguya's Dimension, you're just speculating.
And what are your proofs that Juubi Jin Madara has a Kekkei Mora that could create a new space time? His eyes? LOL, we don't even have a hype for 3rd Eye Madara. Madara's 3rd Eye Ability is Infinite Tsukuyomi, that's it.

Sakura landed a punch and Naruto solod her arm. This alone tells me shes not on the same level as Madara.

Kaguya was wounded and Sakura was behind the former's nape(Byakugan's weakness). Also, keep in mind, Sasuke and Naruto(Kaguya's Kryptonite) was there to push Kaguya into a corner.

And again, A > B > C logic doesn't work in Naruto.

Again why did you give her 8/10 for intelligence since you base your ratings on feats only?

We mostly based our ratings on feats, specially we don't know Kaguya's history.

Show me stats. Show me that Temari owns Shikamaru in stats big time, but loses in real combat like weve seen.
Do you understand my point?

Temari has a higher Stats, but loses to Shikamaru in a fight, but Temari won the competition(Shikamaru gave up). Anyway, it doesn't matter, you said name one shinobi who has an edge in stats but loses, Choji-Jirobo, that's it.

 

[Djokovic]

Madara doesn't even know about that Juubi Eye Space Time Ability and Kaguya's Dimension, you're just speculating.
And what are your proofs that Juubi Jin Madara has a Kekkei Mora that could create a new space time? His eyes? LOL, we don't even have a hype for 3rd Eye Madara. Madara's 3rd Eye Ability is Infinite Tsukuyomi, that's it.

Do you see the irony in this post?

Im just gonna copey and past some of my previous post which you clearly didnt read.

Kaguya has stronger chakra but is dumb as hell, nothing she could do vs a warlord like Madara. Naruto almost solod her, Sasuke only helped sealing her in the end, but the most humliating thing is that Sakura was useful for once and landed a punch. You must really suck to a certain degree to let this happen.

Many of you forget Madara has the Tamoe Rinnegan. We can safely say he can use all of the abilities. Whatever Madara touches he always brings it to another level.

He kamuid as a juubi jin something not even Obito couldnt do after years of training. Madara adapted to Hashirama's Sage mode immediately. This genius doesnt need training! Give Madara any jutsu and he will school the original user.

Madara created a damn forest, some of the strongest nin Hashirama had and he only wanted to test it, meaning he had never done it before.

Its foolish to say Madara cant perform a jutsu while having all the ingredients... when will you ppl learn? How many of your favorites must get slaughtered before you realise...

Kaguya was wounded and Sakura was behind the former's nape(Byakugan's weakness). Also, keep in mind, Sasuke and Naruto(Kaguya's Kryptonite) was there to push Kaguya into a corner.

And again, A > B > C logic doesn't work in Naruto.

Naruto solod Kaguya's arm and wounded her. There is no single excuse that could save you when Sakura landed a clear hit. One eyed Madara with half his body missing scared Sakura so much that she forgot to breath.

No one here implied A>B>C logic this is just random argument which again has no relevance in our discussion. There is no 3rd party involved here.

We mostly based our ratings on feats, specially we don't know Kaguya's history.

AGAIN, why did you rate Kaguya's intelligence 8/10. Why are you avoiding my questions? You are wandering around, forcing me to explain whole naruto manga here.

Temari has a higher Stats, but loses to Shikamaru in a fight, but Temari won the competition(Shikamaru gave up). Anyway, it doesn't matter, you said name one shinobi who has an edge in stats but loses, Choji-Jirobo, that's it.

I said name one shinobi who has a big edge/adventage in stats and still loses this was the main point. Choji clan specializes in those pills which provide huge bonus during fight. Choji has better stats when he stomps Jirobo.

 

[Legitimate]

Do you see the irony in this post?

Im just gonna copey and past some of my previous post which you clearly didnt read.

Kaguya has stronger chakra but is dumb as hell, nothing she could do vs a warlord like Madara. Naruto almost solod her, Sasuke only helped sealing her in the end, but the most humliating thing is that Sakura was useful for once and landed a punch. You must really suck to a certain degree to let this happen.

Naruto and Sasuke are Kaguya's Kryptonite or weakness to begin with because of seal.

Sakura punched an injured, in a blind spot and in corner Kaguya. That isn't even impressive to begin with.

Many of you forget Madara has the Tamoe Rinnegan. We can safely say he can use all of the abilities. Whatever Madara touches he always brings it to another level.

Safely say isn't fact. The real fact is Madara doesn't have a Kekkei Mora that could create a new space time, there's no hype other than Safely Say from Madara's fanboys.

He kamuid as a juubi jin something not even Obito couldnt do after years of training. Madara adapted to Hashirama's Sage mode immediately. This genius doesnt need training! Give Madara any jutsu and he will school the original user.

Madara is Obito's Master, of course he knew about Kamui. It's funny, that genius Madara couldn't do Chidori or Rasengan and lacked knowledge about BZ plans, LOL. Madara lacked power and information about Kaguya's Kekkei Mora and creating new time space.

Madara created a damn forest, some of the strongest nin Hashirama had and he only wanted to test it, meaning he had never done it before.

Kaguya did the same with the previous IT.

Its foolish to say Madara cant perform a jutsu while having all the ingredients... when will you ppl learn? How many of your favorites must get slaughtered before you realise...

It's foolish to assume Madara could do anything WITHOUT HYPES AND FEATS.

Naruto solod Kaguya's arm and wounded her. There is no single excuse that could save you when Sakura landed a clear hit. One eyed Madara with half his body missing scared Sakura so much that she forgot to breath.

No one here implied A>B>C logic this is just random argument which again has no relevance in our discussion. There is no 3rd party involved here.

Comparing Madara Fight to Kaguya Fight is using A > B > C Logic.

AGAIN, why did you rate Kaguya's intelligence 8/10. Why are you avoiding my questions? You are wandering around, forcing me to explain whole naruto manga here.

Claiming Madara could do everything isn't an explanation.

Isn't using your ability in combos and counters a sign of intelligence?

I said name one shinobi who has a big edge/adventage in stats and still loses this was the main point. Choji clan specializes in those pills which provide huge bonus during fight. Choji has better stats when he stomps Jirobo.

Choji doesn't have better stats when he stomps Jirobo, even if you gave him 5(which is ridiculous) in Taijutsu, Stamina and Strength, his Stats would only increase to 22.5 while Jirobo is still 23.5 in base and increases his stat in Curse Mark V2. Stats don't win fights.

 

[Zol]

The three-eyed Madara has no feats. Stop this bullshit that he can use everything Kaguya can because he has a similar eye. By that logic, Hinata's little sister has the same Byakugan prowess as Kaguya....

 

[MadaraReturns]

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Are you still trying to argue that Sakura can blitz Kaguya? Despite not showing me any legitimate panels? Despite me explaining why the panel you posted isn't legit? How does me explaining why Madara's blitz was a blitz relate to Kaguya? Sakura didn't do what Sasuke did, so why are you trying to relate the two?

I bet you think Sakura is faster than Sasuke using his teleportation to strike. Cause that is what your argumentation leads to.

Hahahaha no that's not the point, if Sakura hit Kaguya even without teleportation, you COULD say that Kaguya isn't fast, tho the things you tell are true and Sakura isn't faster lol, everything you said I already know and agree too, BUT the only thing is that you can't say that Madara with 3 eyes is slower than Kaguya.

Nice that Sasuke got 2 hits on Madara with 1 Rinnegan man.. Sakura got a hit on Kaguya and Sasuke not, is she now faster than him?

So why are you assuming that Kaguya is faster than Madara because she didn't get hit by Sasuke?

I could say the same about Madara with 3 eyes who didn't get a hit from Naruto, but that would be dumb because we didn't see much of Madara, and THAT's the point I'm trying to make: We didn't see much of Madara's 3 eyes, so don't try to confirm that Kaguya is faster..

 

[Ansatsuken]

We are talking about Madara here, not about two boys that having a political problem

 

[KidGamer65]

I remember Madara telling Sasuke how well he moved based on his tamoe sharingan so there is a little logic here behind the eyes as Kishi implies.

Also kid can you make your own stats Im kinda curious.

That is because it offers him superior precognition. Madara already had an eye when he got blitzed, both eyes isn't going to make his precognition increase.

My stats would pretty much be the same except for speed.