Madara & Kaguya stats comparison

PIOLO · Oct 3, 2014

Madara see the weakness of kekei moura senpou ranton kouga

Ansatsuken · Oct 3, 2014

PIOLO said:
Madara see the weakness of kekei moura senpou ranton kouga

I think the stick naruto holding is not strong as Kaguya TSB

Djokovic · Oct 3, 2014

Too many idiotic posts.

We have discussed this over and over again, yes Kaguya has stronger chakra but is dumb as hell, nothing she could do vs a warlord like Madara. Naruto almost solod her, Sasuke only helped sealing her in the end, but the most humliating thing is that Sakura was useful for once and landed a punch. You must really suck to a certain degree to let this happen.

Many of you forget Madara has the Tamoe Rinnegan. We can safely say he can use all of the abilities. Whatever Madara touches he always brings it to another level.

He kamuid as a juubi jin something not even Obito couldnt do after years of training. Madara adapted to Hashirama's Sage mode immediately. This genius doesnt need training! Give Madara any jutsu and he will school the original user.

Madara created a damn forest, some of the strongest nin Hashirama had and he only wanted to test it, meaning he had never done it before.

Its foolish to say Madara cant perform a jutsu while having all the ingredients... when will you ppl learn? How many of your favorites must get slaughtered before you realise...

KidGamer65 · Oct 3, 2014

-Genjutsu-They are tied as they both use IT, the strongest Genjutsu, and she was stated to have the Sharingan's power, so how in the world does she rank lower than Madara?

-They need to both have 10s in stamina/chakra

-Kaguya is above Madara in speed. Sasuke blitzed Madara, Kaguya reacted to him.

The rest is fine.

Zee U · Oct 3, 2014

The only thing that Madara has and Kaguya doesn't is a brain.

Djokovic · Oct 3, 2014

KidGamer65 said:
-Genjutsu-They are tied as they both use IT, the strongest Genjutsu, and she was stated to have the Sharingan's power, so how in the world does she rank lower than Madara?

-They need to both have 10s in stamina/chakra

-Kaguya is above Madara in speed. Sasuke blitzed Madara, Kaguya reacted to him.

The rest is fine.

- Madara has shown versatile genjutsu techniques so thats why he gets the edge.
- Kaguya has more charka manga fact
- Did you just compare One eyed Rinnegan Madara with 3 Rinnegan Madara? This last one actualy pissed me off, mainly because I expected more from you.

AlphaScythian · Oct 3, 2014

Kaguya's stamina alone should leave all maddy's stats in the dust, dude exploded from minor IT chakra and she later got some more U_U

MadaraReturns · Oct 3, 2014

KidGamer65 said:
-Genjutsu-They are tied as they both use IT, the strongest Genjutsu, and she was stated to have the Sharingan's power, so how in the world does she rank lower than Madara?

-They need to both have 10s in stamina/chakra

-Kaguya is above Madara in speed. Sasuke blitzed Madara, Kaguya reacted to him.

The rest is fine.

Sakura blitzed Kaguya, Madara reacted. As @Djokovic said, nice logic.. First of all Madara (probably) ignored Sasuke.

Second, Madara did block Sasuke and Naruto in his final form. I know what you're thinking, but that Sasuke maybe didn't use his 'Rinneblitz' against Madara only means that you can't say who's faster in his/her final form. Why didn't you take Madara who 'blitzed' Naruto, Sai and later stopped Sasuke and stabbed him? Right, because that wasn't Sasuke's final form, neither Naruto's, but Madara also wasn't at his final form so your part about the speed isn't logical to me.

Jnaru · Oct 3, 2014

64 beats 77 Anytime

Darkakatsuki · Oct 3, 2014

KidGamer65 said:
-Genjutsu-They are tied as they both use IT, the strongest Genjutsu, and she was stated to have the Sharingan's power, so how in the world does she rank lower than Madara?

-They need to both have 10s in stamina/chakra

-Kaguya is above Madara in speed. Sasuke blitzed Madara, Kaguya reacted to him.

The rest is fine.

One eyed Madara was blitzed, there's no proof that Sasuke can blitz two eyed madara, much less three eyed Madara.

PIOLO · Oct 3, 2014

KidGamer65 said:
-Genjutsu-They are tied as they both use IT, the strongest Genjutsu, and she was stated to have the Sharingan's power, so how in the world does she rank lower than Madara?

-They need to both have 10s in stamina/chakra

-Kaguya is above Madara in speed. Sasuke blitzed Madara, Kaguya reacted to him.

The rest is fine.

So now please revised your tier list as you said so far, you agreedim waiting for your tier list consider the capability of madara to utilies the power in efficient way... based on this i think madara has 80/80 as i scored him

Zol · Oct 3, 2014

Not another of your "Madara is better than Kaguya"-threads. Honestly, how often do you want to repeat the exact same nonsense?

Kaguya is clearly portrayed as being above Madara.

Why can't you just be satisfied with Madara being the second strongest villain?

KidGamer65 · Oct 4, 2014

Djokovic said:
- Madara has shown versatile genjutsu techniques so thats why he gets the edge.
- Kaguya has more charka manga fact
- Did you just compare One eyed Rinnegan Madara with 3 Rinnegan Madara? This last one actualy pissed me off, mainly because I expected more from you.

-Izanagi is the only reason he'd be put up there, but with that I can agree that his versatility
-Doesn't mean they both aren't a 10.
-Did getting another eyeball make Madara faster? Not last time I checked.

MadaraReturns said:
Sakura blitzed Kaguya, Madara reacted. As @Djokovic said, nice logic.. First of all Madara (probably) ignored Sasuke.

He turned around, and got chopped in half before he could do anything. That is a blitz. You are going to need evidence he was able to physically react, but chose not to. He also blitzed Madara twice with his Rinnegan Shift Jutsu. Kaguya reacted to that same jutsu both times. I don't know where "Sasuke blitzed Kaguya" came from, but it wasn't the manga.

Second, Madara did block Sasuke and Naruto in his final form. I know what you're thinking, but that Sasuke maybe didn't use his 'Rinneblitz' against Madara only means that you can't say who's faster in his/her final form. Why didn't you take Madara who 'blitzed' Naruto, Sai and later stopped Sasuke and stabbed him? Right, because that wasn't Sasuke's final form, neither Naruto's, but Madara also wasn't at his final form so your part about the speed isn't logical to me.

Blocking Naruto and Sasuke running at him=/=Blocking Naruto's Shunshin or Sasuke's Shunshin or his Rinnegan Shifting Jutsu.

When you can prove how getting another eye ball made Madara faster, we can talk about my logic not being sound. Until then, it stands.

Darkakatsuki said:
One eyed Madara was blitzed, there's no proof that Sasuke can blitz two eyed madara, much less three eyed Madara.

Proof an eyeball made him faster?

So now please revised your tier list as you said so far, you agreedim waiting for your tier list consider the capability of madara to utilies the power in efficient way... based on this i think madara has 80/80 as i scored him

When determining strength, these scores mean nothing since Kaguya is so far above Madara when it comes to battle prowess, that things like Genjutsu, Taijutsu, and Ninjutsu variety are useless.

EPICMenma · Oct 4, 2014

Have Kaguya and Madara been fighting, Madara will win, not only for his powers but his experience of wars.
Madara is more strategist than Kaguya. I'm never seen Kaguya fought anyone besides Hagoromo and Hamura. No wonder she lost to Naruto and Sasuke because She does not have experience.
I'm not saying that Madara will win in instant. Madara would win in high difficulty.

SageOfTheTenPaths · Oct 4, 2014

One does not simply compare Madara to others.

MadaraReturns · Oct 4, 2014

KidGamer65 said:
He turned around, and got chopped in half before he could do anything. That is a blitz. You are going to need evidence he was able to physically react, but chose not to. He also blitzed Madara twice with his Rinnegan Shift Jutsu. Kaguya reacted to that same jutsu both times. I don't know where "Sasuke blitzed Kaguya" came from, but it wasn't the manga.

I said Sakura, not Sasuke.. but for the rest, that was 1 eyed madara, thats like me saying that Madara can kill Sasuke's strongest version because he stabbed his EMS version, as you saw nothing hit 3 eyed Madara anymore, but Kaguya still got hit by Sakura.. while Sasuke was hit backwards when Naruto saved Sakura, though Sasuke didn't use his 'Rinneblitz'

RikudouMadara · Oct 4, 2014

MadaraReturns said:
I said Sakura, not Sasuke.. but for the rest, that was 1 eyed madara, thats like me saying that Madara can kill Sasuke's strongest version because he stabbed his EMS version, as you saw nothing hit 3 eyed Madara anymore, but Kaguya still got hit by Sakura.. while Sasuke was hit backwards when Naruto saved Sakura, though Sasuke didn't use his 'Rinneblitz'

Imho you shouldn't waste your time with Kid.... He's become very sloppy over time... He didn't even notice you said Sakura and not Sasuke... This isn't the first time he hasn't payed attention. In his haste.... Oh how we stumble in it.... XD Nonetheless you are correct....

KidGamer65 · Oct 4, 2014

MadaraReturns said:
I said Sakura, not Sasuke.. but for the rest, that was 1 eyed madara, thats like me saying that Madara can kill Sasuke's strongest version because he stabbed his EMS version, as you saw nothing hit 3 eyed Madara anymore, but Kaguya still got hit by Sakura.. while Sasuke was hit backwards when Naruto saved Sakura, though Sasuke didn't use his 'Rinneblitz'

Lol, that just worsens the quality of your claim. Get me panels of Sakura legitimately blitzing Kaguya, and then we'll talk. Cause her having to deal with Naruto and Sasuke, not paying attention to Sakura, and flying upwards while Sakura was coming down isn't a legitimate blitz. The fact you'd even claim that Sakura blitzed Kaguya only makes me not want to take you seriously.

No, its not. Because Madara killing Sasuke or vice versa relates to overall strength, which differs as we have clearly seen. Nothing begins to imply he got faster from getting another eye ball, so unless you show me the speed difference, you have no point here. Sasuke blitzed Madara while Kaguya reacted, thus she's faster than he is.

Seventh Sama · Oct 4, 2014

Crying isn't a weakness :|

Benjamin King · Oct 4, 2014

The only stat Kaguya has over Madara is Chakra levels, as stated by Sasuke and Naruto. Other than that, Taijutsu, Ninjutsu, speed, strength, intelligence are on Madara's favour. Which can be supported by these scans:

Sakura tries to hit Kaguya: