Yes....Obito becoming a Jin...imho would defeat 85-90% of the entire Senju clan. Add current Madara and these two could defeat every single Senju including Hashirama and Tobirama imho. I feel some saying they'd be nothing without Senju DNA.....I feel they are emotional due to the fact the Uchiha currently....well seemingly reign supreme. Just my view on it. Although....imo if every Senju and Uchiha were revived the Uchiha as of currently would win medium difficulty due to Madara and Obito. If we are accepting everyone at their strongest. Also....this is only my opinion....as far as the manga and facts Senju>Uchiha...from a brass tacks point of view.
What are you smoking dude? You act like the Senju are like Gai or Lee. They don't just use taijutsu. They have large pools of chakra verses the Uchiha's refined spiritual power(chakra) Mokuton is not a Taijutsu. Suiton, Is not a Taijutsu, Byakugou, is not Taijutsu.
Uchiha's are so powerful because their use of chakra is refined thus the quality of the Jutsu is more powerful.
Senju have stamina and large pools of chakra. Thus allowing them to use powerful chakra eating jutsu like Mokuton or large scale Suiton with a single handseal and the like. These both balance each other out as they both derived from the same being.
The reason Madara is on top is because he desires nothing more than power. Hense he is the villan. This isn't shared by the entire clan.
Hashirama, above all, desired peace. This IS shared by his entire clan or at least they fall in line with it because he was the clan leader.
guys who fight for peace don't go out of their way to acquire more power by any means necesarry. That is the path of a tyrant.
uchiha have chakra of the sage chakra = natures=many elemnets and jutsu.
senju can use ninjutsu with large pools since they can convert stamina to chakra but they will never equal the uchiha. since the sages chakra is there exclusive attribute along with the yin so mastery above others in genjutsu and its advanced ninjutsu.
this does not mean that other nins cant use ninjutsu or genjutsu it merely means that the uchiha will always excel others in these fields since there is directly inherited from rokudo sennin. whereas senju will never have this a body allows natural excellence in physical jutsu. mokuton is jyubis body add chakra to it and you get mokuton. hashirama is the embodiment of the jyubis powersin human form.
yin seal= fuinn jutsu not ninjutsu.
but my point is uchiha will naturally excel senju because of there diversity and sharingan embodies diversity since it copies all it sees. making there potential infinite. senju dont have that.
Fail , your argument still is . Possess Kyuubi Chakra , Hashirama's clone did . Transfer to the real Hashirama , the chakra never did . See the real Hashirama with Kyuubi chakra , we never did .
Defeated Madara , Hashirama did . Indisputable , this is . Happen twice , this did .
My counters are not lame,ur just mad coz u can't counter them, Ninja fighting opponent with clones when he had no info on enemy is basic shit and that dude's fighting experience against Uchiha's>>Shisui's age.
Bring me the scan of anyone saying KA is instant then we can talk.
You clearly see that it's growing, gokages had time to get their asses out. Instant my ass.
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You can also see clones growing from original hashirama. Instant clones dont do that.
Madara:No one can tell the difference b/w Wood clone and the real deal exept me with my Eye's which is EMS,here the borrowed shit is not allowed and Shisui don't have EMS.
Ur point?
He clearly failed with that clone, he must have needed hashirama for comparison then. Madara also referred to sasuke's EMS as MS he makes not discrimination.
Hashirama can decide the power level of his clones. Use manga pacts.
And that power is measured in what? chakra! FYI. Clones have to be of even chakra otherwise original stands out.
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With this said unless hashirama ambushes shisui with info and all otherwise he doesnt resort to clones right away like you've speculated cuz he is hailed as the strongest hence loses.
uchiha have chakra of the sage chakra = natures=many elemnets and jutsu.
senju can use ninjutsu with large pools since they can convert stamina to chakra but they will never equal the uchiha. since the sages chakra is there exclusive attribute along with the yin so mastery above others in genjutsu and its advanced ninjutsu.
this does not mean that other nins cant use ninjutsu or genjutsu it merely means that the uchiha will always excel others in these fields since there is directly inherited from rokudo sennin. whereas senju will never have this a body allows natural excellence in physical jutsu. mokuton is jyubis body add chakra to it and you get mokuton. hashirama is the embodiment of the jyubis powersin human form.
yin seal= fuinn jutsu not ninjutsu.
but my point is uchiha will naturally excel senju because of there diversity and sharingan embodies diversity since it copies all it sees. making there potential infinite. senju dont have that.
Your post makes it sound like the Uchiha is the only clan descended from the Sage. The Senju are too. They represent the body. Sage Mode is a "Body" Technique not an "eye" Technigue. Sage Mode is the epidemy of "The Body" Hense the super strength and the ability to harness, contain, and utilize Nature chakra in the form of Senjutsu. The only Uchiha who has achievied Sage Mode is madara. Why? Because he stole it. With what? The rinnegan. How did he obtain the Rinnegan? Bu incoroporated hashirama Senju's DNA into his body.
So yes Uchiha's have the more refined and better quality chakra, but that does not make them the better clan as they do not have "The Body" to obtain Sage mode without 1st taking the DNA of someone who possess the stamina and endurance to actually use Sage Mode.
Well....tbh once someone attains power...wether it be stolen or given, it is that users power. Madara...everything he acquired is nao his power....all of it...unless he has intentions of returning the power it is his. For example if a teacher teaches you....the knowledge you gain from them is nao yours....regardless of it being the teachers at first. It doesn't matter what they used to become strong....the end justifies the means. Madara knew that Senju and Uchiha would bring about greater things as they were once one. Some can rationalize any way they choose....though it is fact that Madara currently having taken all that he has.....it is nao his power to utilize ultimately making it his power. Same for anyone else....IF said power was not meant to be returned.......
Your post makes it sound like the Uchiha is the only clan descended from the Sage. The Senju are too. They represent the body. Sage Mode is a "Body" Technique not an "eye" Technigue. Sage Mode is the epidemy of "The Body" Hense the super strength and the ability to harness, contain, and utilize Nature chakra in the form of Senjutsu. The only Uchiha who has achievied Sage Mode is madara. Why? Because he stole it. With what? The rinnegan. How did he obtain the Rinnegan? Bu incoroporated hashirama Senju's DNA into his body.
So yes Uchiha's have the more refined and better quality chakra, but that does not make them the better clan as they do not have "The Body" to obtain Sage mode without 1st taking the DNA of someone who possess the stamina and endurance to actually use Sage Mode.
Re-Read the Manga you should! As Madara did not defeat hashirama without Rinnegan.
re read the manga you should! had the rinnegan madara did not. blind was madara fodderise hashirama he did.
Made hashirama his b**ch, he did. took sage mode he did. 24hours stamina madara has. Dissapointed with sage mode was he. Senju jiraiya is not, has sage mode he does. Pathetic the defense your argument has.
anyway i have never said the senju arent ive merely stated as shinobi by logic alone the uchiha are overall better and more gifted with infinite potential in ninjutsu as long as they have the chakra and they excel in yin?genjutsu so they excel in that too.
repeat myself i shall not. fodderise the senju, uchiha do. accept the truth you shall not. appeal to logi, i do. grasp logic you do not.
yet a monster like hashirama with sage mode amplified chakra got fodderised by a blind madara who didnt even use rinnegan sharingan or mokuton. my point is if hashirama was as strong and far above madara amplified by sagemode chakra (it super enhances you) he should have easily beaten madara or tanked it like nothing. all were edo tensied near full power according to tobirama near full power is aroung 85-90% and above.
Kage's said that he did it in an instat,if saying that KA is instant without evidence is not BS then saying FTW is instant with evidence is also not BS.
He clearly failed with that clone, he must have needed hashirama for comparison then. Madara also referred to sasuke's EMS as MS he makes not discrimination.
How is Madara saying that about Sasuke is relevant here?
Madara said that he is the only one to see through those clones and the fact that he is the only to do something like that proves that it is only possible with EMS,since Shisui is not an EMS user ,he is not going to do shit here in this case.
And that power is measured in what? chakra! FYI. Clones have to be of even chakra otherwise original stands out.
With this said unless hashirama ambushes shisui with info and all otherwise he doesnt resort to clones right away like you've speculated cuz he is hailed as the strongest hence loses.
Lol dude ninja's fights their opponents with clones when they had no intel ,it is a basic trick.
Ur refusing Hashirama using clones coz u can't counter it and expecting me to belive that Shisui uses KA at the beginning of the bettle when u don't know a shit about Shisui's fighting style,lawl seems legit.
using madaras chakra which overpowered hashirama no rinnegan was involved since madara was blind. it goes to my point madaras chakra pawns all even the shinobi of hashiramas calibre. even before that madara was restrained yet not bothered somebody who is going to ge sealed and is defeated would be extremely bothered. even sagemode super rasen shuriken couldnt phase him.
yet it shit stomped the mokuton holding him. madara could easily use mokuton against hashirama if he wanted to use his powers against him and overwhelm himbut he didnt instead his pride woulnt allow him to.
Lawl,Amaterasu is not instant,Rikage who is slower than instant countered it.
The fact that crow had the time to get out of Naruto's ass proves that it is not intant.
What are u trying to prove here?
Kage's said that he did it in an instat,if saying that KA is instant without evidence is not BS then saying FTW is instant with evidence is also not BS.
How is Madara saying that about Sasuke is relevant here?
Madara said that he is the only one to see through those clones and the fact that he is the only to do something like that proves that it is only possible with EMS,since Shisui is not an EMS user ,he is not going to do shit here in this case.
What is ur point here?
Lol dude ninja's fights their opponents with clones when they had no intel ,it is a basic trick.
Ur refusing Hashirama using clones coz u can't counter it and expecting me to belive that Shisui uses KA at the beginning of the bettle when u don't know a shit about Shisui's fighting style,lawl seems legit.
using madaras chakra which overpowered hashirama no rinnegan was involved since madara was blind. it goes to my point madaras chakra pawns all even the shinobi of hashiramas calibre. even before that madara was restrained yet not bothered somebody who is going to ge sealed and is defeated would be extremely bothered.
using madaras chakra which overpowered hashirama no rinnegan was involved since madara was blind. it goes to my point madaras chakra pawns all even the shinobi of hashiramas calibre. even before that madara was restrained yet not bothered somebody who is going to ge sealed and is defeated would be extremely bothered.
A.) Obito was defeated , but not killed , luckily giving Madara and Black Zetsu the opportunity to take over.
B.) He was rejuvenated.
C.) Hashirama still had chakra receivers stuck in his back from his earlier victory.
You can keep flaunting Madara's victory over an exhausted and restrained Hashirama if you like , doesn't mean he wasn't being taken to school by Hashirama his entire life .
Did he use them against Madara ? No , he used them to help the alliance .
Nice assumption .
Madara defeated Hashirama because:
A.) Obito was defeated , but not killed , luckily giving Madara and Black Zetsu the opportunity to take over.
B.) He was rejuvenated.
C.) Hashirama still had chakra receivers stuck in his back from his earlier victory.
You can keep flaunting Madara's victory over an exhausted and restrained Hashirama if you like , doesn't mean he wasn't being taken to school by Hashirama his entire life .
but edos dont get exhausted somebody who is restrained cant use ninjutsu hashirama was. hashirama was restrained because madara restrained him with 1 seal while he was blind.
Uchiha's aren't in another league considering the top 2 uchiha both needed senju beans to get where they are. If anything this just goes to show that Hashirama is just the undisputed king of all things OP
Did he use them against Madara ? No , he used them to help the alliance .
Nice assumption .
Madara defeated Hashirama because:
A.) Obito was defeated , but not killed , luckily giving Madara and Black Zetsu the opportunity to take over.
B.) He was rejuvenated.
C.) Hashirama still had chakra receivers stuck in his back from his earlier victory.
You can keep flaunting Madara's victory over an exhausted and restrained Hashirama if you like , doesn't mean he wasn't being taken to school by Hashirama his entire life .
You're pathetic, and you're incapable of reading this manga . You claim Hashirama used Kyuubi chakra against Madara in their Edo battle when that was never shown . Good luck living in your fantasy .
