Madara is Stronger than Hashirama

[Humming]

Every Uchiha has the potential for it to awaken. It's like maturing and waiting for being able to grow chest hair; a lot of men in their maturity can't grow chest hair until late in their life and many might die before they get the chance to.

awakening the sharingan is like a lottery, it'll happen eventually.....but that doesn't mean you'll be alive when it does

Itachi said he awakened all his abilites at the same time; Sasuke awoke the susanoo sometime after gaining amaterasu.

It just shows that they have different waiting periods.

The manga states exactly that the Sharingan is only present in some Uchiha, though. And even in those that have unlocked it, from what we've seen, it's been due to certain emotional conditions. Not all Uchiha are destined to face those intense emotions, so saying that by maturing, the Sharingan will just be unlocked wouldn't really be something feasible to say in this case.

 

[NarutoKage2]

hey hey, let's settle down

there's no need for hostility

there's a difference between stating fact and creating theories

Every outlandish and nonsensical theory of his has been paraded around as if it were a fact. Not once or twice but every. single. time.

 

[Lightbringer]

The manga states exactly that the Sharingan is only present in some Uchiha, though. And even in those that have unlocked it, from what we've seen, it's been due to certain emotional conditions. Not all Uchiha are destined to face those intense emotions, so saying that by maturing, the Sharingan will just be unlocked wouldn't really be something feasible to say in this case.

I didn't mean literal maturity, I was comparing to a real life scenario

everyone has the potential, but that doesn't mean everyone will get it was my point


like you said, Uchiha awaken the sharingan from intense emotions, but not all of them will face those moments in their life.


but every Uchiha has the possibility of gaining the sharingan if all of them faced those situation in their life. They are born with the potential.

 

[NarutoKage2]

"This process, which took at least several days for a complete recovery as seen in Sasuke's case,[12][13] not only permanently restores the recipient's eyesight, but also bolsters their own ocular power with that of the donor's."

The Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan, as displayed by Sasuke would add the previous owner's own ocular powers to that of the recipient. That, added to the fact it permanently restores the user's eyesight, is something to consider. I also believe that, Madara was going blind, so, without his "EMS", he would have been blind in his base form, or at least going blind.

Nowhere has it been shown in the manga that EMS does anything other than prevent a MS from going blind. In order to show its different, you have to come up with manga scans.

 

[Avinash012]

Base Madara has more Juice than Base Hashirama.....?
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They fought for a fullday and Madara is the one who is layng on the ground ......Look at Hashi he didn't even get a single scratch on him and he has no intention of killing or hurting Madara .....Madara too had no injuries which means that Madara lost due to lack of juice on the other hand Hashi look's like he can fight for one more day............

 

[NarutoKage2]

Base Madara has more Juice than Base Hashirama.....?
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They fought for a fullday and Madara is the one who is layng on the ground ......Look at Hashi he didn't even get a single scratch on him and he has no intention of killing or hurting Madara .....Madara too had no injuries which means that Madara lost due to lack of juice on the other hand Hashi look's like he can fight for one more day............

I guess you missed the part where madara was alone and there was an entire senju squad including hashi and tobirama up against him? Since when is 50 vs 1 a fair fight?

 

[Avinash012]

The only time EMS Madara lost to Hashirama was in their final battle

when Madara got the EMS, he faced an entire senju squad which included Hashirama and Tobirama and fought for 24 hours straight

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don't get me wrong, I'm not agreeing to Madara being stronger than Hashirama

but it's not as black and what as people put it either.


I do however believe that Rinnegan Madara>Hashirama

Madara fought against entire senju squad ..?
do u really think so...?
Do u really think Hashi his team to fight Madara...?
Do u really think Hashi wil let them interfere with thire fight.....?

 

[Avinash012]

I guess you missed the part where madara was alone and there was an entire senju squad including hashi and tobirama up against him? Since when is 50 vs 1 a fair fight?

SO Madara along with kyubi lost to some one who can't even fight him alone......

 

[Altaneen]

In terms of chakra. Base madara has more chakra reserves than base hashirama. Lets not forget that perfect susanoo is a tech of base madara, base hashirama has nothing that can compete with that. which is why the instant madara pulled it out at the vote, hashirama ran and was on the defensive. It took him SM which is an external augmentation of chakra to beat ps and compete on the same level. However, w.o sage mode there is no tech that the first possesses which can compete with ps's destructive power.

I like how you say base Madara can use his Sharingan, but base Hashirama can not use anything. Base Madara does not have his sharingan activated, and gets roflstomped by Hashirama. /thread.

 

[NarutoKage2]

Madara fought against entire senju squad ..?
do u really think so...?
Do u really think Hashi his team to fight Madara...?
Do u really think Hashi wil let them interfere with thire fight.....?

Doesnt matter what anyone thinks, what matters are facts:
Fact 1: madara went and confronted the senjus on his own after izunas death.
Fact 2: tobirama was ready to stab madara with his sword.
Fact 3: there were senjus standing all around madara alongside hashirama.
Fact 4: tobirama told oro u dont know madara as if he had fought him before.

Add it all up, it was the senju clan vs madara in that fight.

 

[Avinash012]

Hashirama dnt even need his SM to fight PS any large scale Wood attack is enough to fight his PS Hashirama already fought Kyubi and his unstabilized PS without Budha ,wihtout Kyubi under the control of Madara,Hashi would have stomped Madara without SM he can stop Madara's swords with his wood......

 

[Avinash012]

Doesnt matter what anyone thinks, what matters are facts:
Fact 1: madara went and confronted the senjus on his own after izunas death.
Fact 2: tobirama was ready to stab madara with his sword.
Fact 3: there were senjus standing all around madara alongside hashirama.
Fact 4: tobirama told oro u dont know madara as if he had fought him before.

Add it all up, it was the senju clan vs madara in that fight.

Isn't it Obvious that Uchiha and Senju fought many times since there is a state of war during thire time,so probably Tobirama would have faced him atleast once...and it is also stated in Manga that Madara kept on attacking Village after he left the village so here is also a possibulity that Tobirama has faced him during this time...it is a shame for some one like Hashi to get help from his team to fight an opponent especially when it is Madara.......

Noobs, you and that other guy. Nowhere did i say madara would win in a fight, just that his chakra reserves are stronger than hashirama. Learn to read. If chakra quantity was the sole determinant of a fight, part 1 naruto wouldve beaten sasuke at the vote.

Dude look at the scale of tech's that Madara used on kage's do u think do u think,Hashi can stand a chance against Madara after usng such a large scale attack's if he had low chakra pool compared to Madara..The fact that Madara choosed to use Kyubi against Hashirama wil eventually prove that he can stand upto them,since Madara dnt knw abt Hashi's budha or SM...........and the fact that his chakra can surpass a bijji wil eventually prove that he has strongest chakra,Madara and Obito able to control Juubi bcoz of Hashirama's chakra said by Madara........

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

PS susanoo doesn't require the EMS


The Pefect Susanoo is the stabilization of the Complete Susanoo which both Itachi and Sasuke awakened with their MS

unlike the previous forms of Susanoo which all evolved seamlessly, stabilization of chakra was an actual technique rather than a doujutsu

This is not confirmed. Perfect Susanoo has only been seen being used as an EMS technique.


Additionally, the Susanoo Itachi and Sasuke have are Completed Susanoo not perfect susanoo. Madara initiated Perfect Susanoo which was the ominous hooded looking form with his EMS, and then stabilized his perfect Susanoo. It was not a stabilized form of his Complete Susanoo as the looks of all three are diffrent.


Madara Complete: Two heads back to back....four arms...the pointed Obolisk like face.

Madara Perfect: Ominous hooded version...similar to Minazuki's Zanpaktou spirit or Mirlurks from Fallout.

Madara Stabilized: Giant Samurai

 

[Avinash012]

Terrible counter. Itachi canonically stated that the ems prevents the side effect of blindness from overusing the mangekyuo, which is an internal power. Ems has not been shown to grant entirely new techs previously dormant.

@everyone else: kekkei genkais are still base form. Not including them is like discluding hashiramas mokuton as its his kkg.

EMS not only prevents the side effects of the MS user also it wil give birth to some thing much more pwrful than MS...and smthng that can't be achived with MS ,May be this wil hels u...

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If u want to disclude Wood from Hashirama then u should provade a scan where Hashirama used Tobirama's pwr to make his wood stronger........

 

[RikudouMadara]

PS susanoo doesn't require the EMS


The Pefect Susanoo is the stabilization of the Complete Susanoo which both Itachi and Sasuke awakened with their MS

unlike the previous forms of Susanoo which all evolved seamlessly, stabilization of chakra was an actual technique rather than a doujutsu

Light this...this is why I love you!!:yayy:flowers

 

[Moegi of Akatsuki]

Everyone but Danzo would die a fodder death against Hashirama.
Only Danzo can take on Hashirama and emerge victorious.

 

[KidGamer65]

No, this doesn't prove that he has more chakra reserves than Hashirama, I don't know how you came to that conclusion. This just proves that Madara w/PS>Base Hashirama.

 

[ClydeFrog]

Hashirama>Madara

Get over it, that's the way the manga was written, it is out of your control fan boys. Go home.

 

[RikudouMadara]

Hashirama>Madara

Get over it, that's the way the manga was written, it is out of your control fan boys. Go home.

I'm already at my house. Just messing but I agree somewhat...I feel current Madara is stronger imho.

 

[ntel]

Naruto base threads are getting shit and shitter by the day eg this thread

Dont be mad because Madara with perfect susanoo and a full sized kyuubi got stomped by Hashirama.