Madara is Stronger than Hashirama

[NarutoKage2]

In terms of chakra. Base madara has more chakra reserves than base hashirama. Lets not forget that perfect susanoo is a tech of base madara, base hashirama has nothing that can compete with that. which is why the instant madara pulled it out at the vote, hashirama ran and was on the defensive. It took him SM which is an external augmentation of chakra to beat ps and compete on the same level. However, w.o sage mode there is no tech that the first possesses which can compete with ps's destructive power.

 

[Fodder#5]

Oh cmon on man. Who cares at this point? Aren't you sick of these threads? Base Madara will never fight base Hashi again. And when they did fight, Hashi won. So why does it matter who's stronger? The winner is stronger

 

[ForbiddenUzumaki]

Nope even base Hashirama has more ''base chakra'' than Edo Madara with hashi's cell. He was able to brake free of the Edo without performing any seals despite his immense chakra. Madara had to perform the seal which is a great feat as well.
Madara is obviously stronger in term of strength though.

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[Cypher]

i dont think he is because its not about how many jutsu you have or how powerful they are its how you use them and all the dna ripping style jacking swag that madara has it is no substitute for the brain and battle hardened hashirama and how he throws down

 

[Lightbringer]

Nope even base Hashirama has more ''base chakra'' than Edo Madara with hashi's cell. He was able to brake free of the Edo without performing any seals despite his immense chakra. Madara had to perform the seal which is a great feat as well.
Madara is obviously stronger in term of strength though.

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Kabuto used special tags to control the edos whereas Orochimaru didn't

 

[HiddenSound]

Edo Madara > Hashirama
Edo Madara >= Edo Hashirama
Hashirama > Madara

Simple.

 

[Fodder#5]

Edo Madara > Hashirama
Edo Madara >= Edo Hashirama
Hashirama > Madara

Simple.

Man speaks the truth

 

[Cypher]

Edo Madara > Hashirama
Edo Madara >= Edo Hashirama
Hashirama > Madara

Simple.

you should be the spokes model for narutobase because you embody 80 percent of the site

all the talk non of the proof

 

[SeBa]

we already know that ... lol
Edo Madara > Edo Hashirama
Madara =< Hashirama (because ... madara probably used izanagi or time manipulation)

and stop with this stupid thread's.

 

[Transcendence]

Perfect Susanoo is a tech of Base Madara? What? I wasn't aware that using EMS was considered Base form... And you're wrong on that note. Hashirama's reserves > Madara's reserves.

 

[Lightbringer]

Perfect Susanoo is a tech of Base Madara? What? I wasn't aware that using EMS was considered Base form... And you're wrong on that note. Hashirama's reserves > Madara's reserves.

PS is base mode

base mode=mode without supplemental chakra



sage mode uses natural energy

Bijuu/KMC mode uses bijuu chakra

that's why they're not base mode

 

[Transcendence]

PS is base mode

base mode=mode without supplemental chakra



sage mode uses natural energy

Bijuu/KMC mode uses bijuu chakra

that's why they're not base mode

That's not what I was getting at. With no other external factors, by his logic, Madara can use Perfect Susanoo, which is clearly an EMS tech (And in his instance he uses it without EMS activated).

 

[Humming]

In terms of chakra. Base madara has more chakra reserves than base hashirama. Lets not forget that perfect susanoo is a tech of base madara, base hashirama has nothing that can compete with that. which is why the instant madara pulled it out at the vote, hashirama ran and was on the defensive. It took him SM which is an external augmentation of chakra to beat ps and compete on the same level. However, w.o sage mode there is no tech that the first possesses which can compete with ps's destructive power.

Erm..Pardon me, but Madara also had Kurama at his side at this point in time, did he not?

 

[Lightbringer]

That's not what I was getting at. With no other external factors, by his logic, Madara can use Perfect Susanoo, which is clearly an EMS tech (And in his instance he uses it without EMS activated).

EMS is not an external factor, it's an internal one

Madara was born with a doujutsu, whereas Hashirama learned sage mode

Doujutsu is a natural part of Madara's arsenal but Hashirama's sage mode isn't



it goes back to the whole Sage's son concept

Older son/Madara=eyes as their prime weaponry

Younger son/Hashirama=body as their main source

 

[Humming]

EMS is not an external factor, it's an internal one

Madara was born with a doujutsu, whereas Hashirama learned sage mode

Doujutsu is a natural part of Madara's arsenal but Hashirama's sage mode isn't




it goes back to the whole Sage's son concept

Older son/Madara=eyes as their prime weaponry

Younger son/Hashirama=body as their main source

Actually, you'd be wrong. MS, would be a natural ability for Madara; but the only way he was able to get EMS, was through the taking of Izuna's eyes, and implanting them into his own. Technically, that's an external addition..

 

[david098]

sorry who needed the kyuubi just to stand a chance against hashirama?

 

[Transcendence]

Actually, you'd be wrong. MS, would be a natural ability for Madara; but the only way he was able to get EMS, was through the taking of Izuna's eyes, and implanting them into his own. Technically, that's an external addition..

Pretty much this.

 

[Lightbringer]

Actually, you'd be wrong. MS, would be a natural ability for Madara; but the only way he was able to get EMS, was through the taking of Izuna's eyes, and implanting them into his own. Technically, that's an external addition..

PS susanoo doesn't require the EMS


The Pefect Susanoo is the stabilization of the Complete Susanoo which both Itachi and Sasuke awakened with their MS

unlike the previous forms of Susanoo which all evolved seamlessly, stabilization of chakra was an actual technique rather than a doujutsu

 

[neilson]

No he isn't just say your a fan boy...don't worry we both are.

 

[Humming]

PS susanoo doesn't require the EMS


The Pefect Susanoo is the stabilization of the Complete Susanoo which both Itachi and Sasuke awakened with their MS

unlike the previous forms of Susanoo which all evolved seamlessly, stabilization of chakra was an actual technique rather than a doujutsu

I was targeting that more so at your "EMS Is not an external" - bit.