Madara is not using his brain

[KCMNaruto]

Why would one assume that Obito couldnt take more than a small pieces of Shukaku and Gyuuki? If he had plenty of time (as in, not having to hurry because of a dying Naruto), than I bet someone who could seal Juubi inside him, control him, handle Rinnegan, use Rinne Tensei, still walk after having the bijou and gedo mazo pulled out, overpower Black Zetsu and steal power from madara, could pull out more than small pieces of Shukaku and Gyuuki, seeing he could still Kamui after and seal everything in Naruto.

Well Simply because Obito was too weak to take more chakra and it reffers to any tailed beast he would try to grab and take.

It would not work in Obito's state but if he was healthy then it would work. Even Madara stated Obito was too weak and Obito didn't tell him back so he agreed with him in silence by not protesting or telling back

 

[Meowazziel]

Well Simply because Obito was too weak to take more chakra and it reffers to any tailed beast he would try to grab and take.

It would not work in Obito's state but if he was healthy then it would work. Even Madara stated Obito was too weak and Obito didn't tell him back so he agreed with him in silence by not protesting or telling back

So it happens that he had just enough chakra to get a piece of 1 and 8 tails??? That would be to much coincidence imo. He chose 1 and 8 tails specifically and didnt need to get any more chakra than he took. He took the minimum required. We cant tell if he could take more or not for sure, but it is not likely that he took precisely the maximum limit that he was able to take (when small pieces are enough).

Your reason for Obito not telling him back is an assumption.
There could be several reasons for that.
One could be the hurry in having to get to Naruto, because he doesnt have all the time of the world left with slowly
going towards dying state.

 

[KCMNaruto]

So it happens that he had just enough chakra to get a piece of 1 and 8 tails??? That would be to much coincidence imo. He chose 1 and 8 tails specifically and didnt need to get any more chakra than he took. He took the minimum required. We cant tell if he could take more or not for sure, but it is not likely that he took precisely the maximum limit that he was able to take (when small pieces are enough).

Your reason for Obito not telling him back is an assumption.
There could be several reasons for that.
One could be the hurry in having to get to Naruto, because he doesnt have all the time of the world left with slowly
going towards dying state.

Well you have point and I could fully agree... but even then it doesn't make sense.

Because If Obito took a one fully beast from Madara then Madara would loose Juubi Jinchurki mode, so he would be easier to beat

That my main issue

 

[Meowazziel]

Well you have point and I could fully agree... but even then it doesn't make sense.

Because If Obito took a one fully beast from Madara then Madara would loose Juubi Jinchurki mode, so he would be easier to beat

That my main issue

That could be true, but I guess that saving Naruto's life is more important to them than (and Naruto being alive and his influence on the world), than damaging Madara's Juubi jinchuriki mode.

 

[Mr Hiru]

It doesnt matter if Madara saw the bijou or not. He is aware that they are in Naruto. He has seen Naruto pull them out of Obito and not managing to grab the 1 and 8 tails, meaning he could conclude that Naruto didnt have those. He must have easily overheard Kakashi, Gaara, Minato and co talking about needing the Yin Kurama to save Naruto. Madara should have been more alarmed about Obito taking bijous 1 and 8 from him and going to the other dimension with Naruto (obviously to seal them in Naruto). He has shown plenty of intelligence in the story to be able to figure this out, yet his brain went in offline mode for a while.

Actually, I feel that this is important. If Madara doesn't know which "bijuu" (let's start with this, Madara doesn't know that the Bijuu just gave Naruto a bit of their chakra, and not the avatars per se) do Naruto has, then Madara should be thinking that Naruto do not hold bijuu, and this is true actually, because Naruto doesn't have any bijuu.

Giving him the Shukaku and the Hachibi fragment wouldn't do anything for a change, but this is where Madara fails... because he extracted the bijuu (Kurama's avatar), not the other "chakra" per se.

We must understand the difference between what was given and what was extracted from Naruto, and also we must understand what Madara saw and what Madara felt that was extracted from Obito.

Madara thinks he has the bijuu and Naruto doesn't have the bijuu. This is correct... but Naruto still has the chakra .

 

[Meowazziel]

Actually, I feel that this is important. If Madara doesn't know which "bijuu" (let's start with this, Madara doesn't know that the Bijuu just gave Naruto a bit of their chakra, and not the avatars per se) do Naruto has, then Madara should be thinking that Naruto do not hold bijuu, and this is true actually, because Naruto doesn't have any bijuu.

Giving him the Shukaku and the Hachibi fragment wouldn't do anything for a change, but this is where Madara fails... because he extracted the bijuu (Kurama's avatar), not the other "chakra" per se.

We must understand the difference between what was given and what was extracted from Naruto, and also we must understand what Madara saw and what Madara felt that was extracted from Obito.

Madara thinks he has the bijuu and Naruto doesn't have the bijuu. This is correct... but Naruto still has the chakra .

I get what you mean, but Madara is aware that bijou/chakra or something of the bijou/bijou-something , is inside of Naruto (because he said the Juubi saw them in Naruto). Obito taking bijou-something from Madara and planning to seal that in Naruto should worry Madara, regardless of knowing the details of what is inside Naruto exactly. He should be careful and take the possiblities into account imo.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I get what you mean, but Madara is aware that bijou/chakra or something of the bijou/bijou-something , is inside of Naruto (because he said the Juubi saw them in Naruto). Obito taking bijou-something from Madara and planning to seal that in Naruto should worry Madara, regardless of knowing the details of what is inside Naruto exactly. He should be careful and take the possiblities into account imo.

I feel like we are settling to an agreement here. I also think that Madara should be careful...

Maybe his pride makes him think that only having chakra won't make the difference, because he has the bijuu. We must see what happens from now...

For instance, the Juubi awakened even without three of the remaining bijuu's avatar (Hachibi, Yang Kyuubi and Yin Kyuubi), so the possibility of Naruto awakening something BIG (not necessarily as Jinchuuriki) is high.

 

[Meowazziel]

I feel like we are settling to an agreement here. I also think that Madara should be careful...

Maybe his pride makes him think that only having chakra won't make the difference, because he has the bijuu. We must see what happens from now...

For instance, the Juubi awakened even without three of the remaining bijuu's avatar (Hachibi, Yang Kyuubi and Yin Kyuubi), so the possibility of Naruto awakening something BIG (not necessarily as Jinchuuriki) is high.

Indeed .
The main difference we had is probably what we should call what is inside Naruto. If we agree to call it bijou-something, than we are probably setting to an agreement . Yeah Madara's pride and arrogance is clouding his judgement.
Juubi had Hachibi tentacle though and some Kurama chakra from Kinkaku and Ginkaku). I am still not completely certain what you mean exactly with a bijou avatar. Could you eleborate on that part, what you mean with avatar?

 

[Mr Hiru]

Indeed .
The main difference we had is probably what we should call what is inside Naruto. If we agree to call it bijou-something, than we are probably setting to an agreement . Yeah Madara's pride and arrogance is clouding his judgement.
Juubi had Hachibi tentacle though and some Kurama chakra from Kinkaku and Ginkaku). I am still not completely certain what you mean exactly with a bijou avatar. Could you eleborate on that part, what you mean with avatar?

Gladly.

Bijuu Avatar is the Bijuu's Spirit per se as we know (For instance, the tailed beast inside Naruto is Kurama, the Avatar of the Nine Tails).

The difference between Kurama's Avatar and Kurama's Chakra is quite obvious when you think in Ginkaku/Kinkaku's brothers, which were 'pseudo Jinchuuriki' (they didn't have the Avatar, but they had the beast's chakra).

The Avatar can produce Chakra, this was Kurama when it was molding chakra for Naruto during war.

 

[Meowazziel]

Gladly.

Bijuu Avatar is the Bijuu's Spirit per se as we know (For instance, the tailed beast inside Naruto is Kurama, the Avatar of the Nine Tails).

The difference between Kurama's Avatar and Kurama's Chakra is quite obvious when you think in Ginkaku/Kinkaku's brothers, which were 'pseudo Jinchuuriki' (they didn't have the Avatar, but they had the beast's chakra).

The Avatar can produce Chakra, this was Kurama when it was molding chakra for Naruto during war.

Thanks. It is clear to me now what you meant with avatar.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Thanks. It is clear to me now what you meant with avatar.

You're welcome