Madara Has Not Surpassed the Sage Of The Six Paths

[KCMNaruto]

He said he sealed Juubi in his Body , just Juubi not God Tree too ^^ it was the perfect time to tell as that also the Tree was inside him. But that it is wrong, i dont know what happend to the God Tree and how Kaguya could be inside the Tree , but i know only Madara has Juubi and the God Tree inside him.

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Well I didn't want to be involved in this exchange of the arguments.

However now when I am already involved into it I am afraid to say that you are wrong , why ?

Because Obito has sealed Juubi in himself then he released Juubi or part of it allowing it to turns into God of tree. Well it doesn;t mean that Obito had Shinjuu in himself because it was imprisoned inside of Juubi or merged with it somehow.

It can only mean that Kagyua was sealed/merged or imprisoned within God Tree then somehow it transformed into Ten tails beast which Hagoromo and his brother faced. It only shows that Hagoromo was not just host of Ten tails but also God Tree...

Maybe Kagyua corrupted by forbiden fruit power turned into Ten tails monster... then Sage sealing Ten tails beast which was Kagyua + God Tree has expierienced trully how powerfull his mother was, maybe it was reason why Hagoromo said with sadness and feeling of guilty.

It could be also interesting last plot twist which could shows: TTH Hagoromo(Kagyua + God Tree) > TTH Madara(Kagyua+God Tree) > Kagyua > TTH Madara > TTH Obito...

 

[KCMNaruto]

He finally say that she was the strongest Person , than he ever seen. Wich means also stronger as Juubi Jin Hagoromo ^^

unless he meant it considering as single entity... then he was right also.

It could mean Juubi Jin Hagoromo was not included by Hagoromo when he compared himself to his mother... also there could be plot twist that Kagyua is actually Juubi due to powerfull corruption of forbidden fruit of God Tree... then Jin Hagoromo would be Himself+ Kagyua power,

I hope you see what I meant ?

 

[Trollasaur]

Do you know how powerfull Sage was as Ten tails host ?

No, then please shut your mouth and stop jumping to conclusion.

Kagyua > Ten tails less Host Sage - FACT !

Kagyua ? Ten tails Host Sage

Kaguya ate the fruit, she set countries on fire, and she has all dojutsu.

The sage himself said she was stronger.

lol denying manga facts is a whole new low of fanboyism

 

[xxxLegacy]

Well I didn't want to be involved in this exchange of the arguments.

However now when I am already involved into it I am afraid to say that you are wrong , why ?

Because Obito has sealed Juubi in himself then he released Juubi or part of it allowing it to turns into God of tree. Well it doesn;t mean that Obito had Shinjuu in himself because it was imprisoned inside of Juubi or merged with it somehow.

It can only mean that Kagyua was sealed/merged or imprisoned within God Tree then somehow it transformed into Ten tails beast which Hagoromo and his brother faced. It only shows that Hagoromo was not just host of Ten tails but also God Tree...

Maybe Kagyua corrupted by forbiden fruit power turned into Ten tails monster... then Sage sealing Ten tails beast which was Kagyua + God Tree has expierienced trully how powerfull his mother was, maybe it was reason why Hagoromo said with sadness and feeling of guilty.

It could be also interesting last plot twist which could shows: TTH Hagoromo(Kagyua + God Tree) > TTH Madara(Kagyua+God Tree) > Kagyua > TTH Madara > TTH Obito...

Why are you afraid ^^ its just a discussion =D
And what for a role plays Gedo Mazo in your theory ?^^
I am 100% sure Kaguya was not in Hagoromo also not the Tree. By the Way , when Hagoromo died he had make of the Juubi / 9 Bijuus , it also means Kaguya was divided 9 Times ^^? And what happend with the Tree befor he died?
And why she has not spoken to Obito ?

And when you mean the Tree ( with Kaguya inside) transformed into Ten tails, how can than the Tree and Juubi exist at the same time ^^ ?

 

[KCMNaruto]

Why are you afraid ^^ its just a discussion =D
And what for a role plays Gedo Mazo in your theory ?^^
I am 100% sure Kaguya was not in Hagoromo also not the Tree. By the Way , when Hagoromo died he had make of the Juubi / 9 Bijuus , it also means Kaguya was divided 9 Times ^^? And what happend with the Tree befor he died?
And why she has not spoken to Obito ?

Lol, because I didn;t like to break in middle of discussion between other peoples, such polite behaviour

Well Gedo mazou was just vessel which only was created after took all the Juubi's chakra away leaving empty body of ten tails beast.

@ bold part, of course now... I honestly believe Kagyua was imprisoned/trapped inside God of Tree somehow then it turned into Ten tails containing Kagyua + itself, however Kagyua powers were surprassed and not used.

The Gedo mazou is the empty shell of Ten tails which was originally made of God Tree with Kagyua imprisoned within it.

@ underlined part, well I could guess that she didn't feel similliar with him and their's desires clearly differ from each other.

However most logical reason I find is that Shinjuu/God Tree trapped/imprisoned Kagyua inside itself, so Kagyua was unable to do antyhing until Naruto Cut through the God Tree actually releasing Kagyua from the prison/trap which was God Tree.

I hope you like my explanation

 

[Nile]

uhm, this may sound a little bit retarded, but I think if madara gets the second rinnegan he will be also above kaguya

at the moment I think it's kaguya>madara>= hagoromo but there are no feats for madara so this is irrelevant and doesn't matter, but if you take now the power of this 3 and compare it

hagoromo: 2 rinnegans, sun/moon staff (probably there are differences), full juubi inside him, senjutsu

Kaguya : 1 rinnegan + nine tomoes sharingan (juubieye), byakugan and fruit power

madara: (still) 1 rinnegan, nearly full juubi, tree? i dont know but it seems like hagoromo didn't had the tree because the clock of madara changed to kaguyas, moon staff, senjutsu, (ems, mokuton probably, but he doesn't use it, probably can't)

so in my opinion they are all nearly on the same level, but I think that madara will be stronger than both because he seems to be a little fusion of them


but how I said, it sounds a little bit retarded

 

[shelke]

Now that he is about to become one with Kaguya. I beg to differ. He should be stronger than the Sage now.

 

[xxxLegacy]

Lol, because I didn;t like to break in middle of discussion between other peoples, such polite behaviour

Well Gedo mazou was just vessel which only was created after took all the Juubi's chakra away leaving empty body of ten tails beast.

@ bold part, of course now... I honestly believe Kagyua was imprisoned/trapped inside God of Tree somehow then it turned into Ten tails containing Kagyua + itself, however Kagyua powers were surprassed and not used.

The Gedo mazou is the empty shell of Ten tails which was originally made of God Tree with Kagyua imprisoned within it.

@ underlined part, well I could guess that she didn't feel similliar with him and their's desires clearly differ from each other.

However most logical reason I find is that Shinjuu/God Tree trapped/imprisoned Kagyua inside itself, so Kagyua was unable to do antyhing until Naruto Cut through the God Tree actually releasing Kagyua from the prison/trap which was God Tree.

I hope you like my explanation

Look i think the Tree has created the Juubi to gather the Chakra, what was stolen from him with the Fruit. Juubi and the Tree are not the same thing . Therefore, they can also exist both at the same. Juubi is just the mobile Part of the GodTree , cuz a tree cant move =D
When the Tree has so much power to make a Fruit ( with a lot of Chakra, which kaguya was the strongest of all) and even after that the God Tree created a Juubi(Chakra-Monster).
What kind of power will then had Madara as the host of The God Tree /(Kaguya)/Juubi with his own Rinnengan............this is immeasurably.
The Part with Kaguya(with the Tree) is not giong be so complicated like we think ^^ 100% Sure

 

[xxxLegacy]

uhm, this may sound a little bit retarded, but I think if madara gets the second rinnegan he will be also above kaguya

at the moment I think it's kaguya>madara>= hagoromo but there are no feats for madara so this is irrelevant and doesn't matter, but if you take now the power of this 3 and compare it

hagoromo: 2 rinnegans, sun/moon staff (probably there are differences), full juubi inside him, senjutsu

Kaguya : 1 rinnegan + nine tomoes sharingan (juubieye), byakugan and fruit power

madara: (still) 1 rinnegan, nearly full juubi, tree? i dont know but it seems like hagoromo didn't had the tree because the clock of madara changed to kaguyas, moon staff, senjutsu, (ems, mokuton probably, but he doesn't use it, probably can't)

so in my opinion they are all nearly on the same level, but I think that madara will be stronger than both because he seems to be a little fusion of them


but how I said, it sounds a little bit retarded

not at all =D

 

[RikudoKami]

Right now I have Madara at 3. And Hagoromo at 2. But I think with the next chapter he will raise up in the top 2. He will get his othe eye.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Look i think the Tree has created the Juubi to gather the Chakra, what was stolen from him with the Fruit. Juubi and the Tree are not the same thing . Therefore, they can also exist both at the same. Juubi is just the mobile Part of the GodTree , cuz a tree cant move =D
When the Tree has so much power to make a Fruit ( with a lot of Chakra, which kaguya was the strongest of all) and even after that the God Tree created a Juubi(Chakra-Monster).
What kind of power will then had Madara as the host of The God Tree /(Kaguya)/Juubi with his own Rinnengan............this is immeasurably.
The Part with Kaguya(with the Tree) is not giong be so complicated like we think ^^ 100% Sure

Hmm... if your way of interpratation is correct to Kishi's or will be stated as manga fact then I approve and completly agree.

I will only answer about Juubi and God Tree being able to exist at the same time. hmm... let's me take DBZ as example

I hope you watched DBZ... If yes then Perfect Cell is perfect example as even after coughing C18 which was needed for him to attain this perfect form he was able to keep it. I believe it would be same with Juubi being made of God Tree with Kagyua sealed in it for time being, until The God Tree was again disconnected from the Juubi, aka chakra monster.

In short: Original Juubi = God Tree with Kagyua trapped inside
Original Juubi - God Tree with Kagyua trapped inside = Weakened Juubi...

I know it make a litte sense, but this is Kishi for you

Besides, don't you find coinsidence that nothing was heard about Kagyua then suddenly Ten tails beast appeared from nowhere. a tricky or hiding something ?.., also The way Hagoromo said he along with his brother fought Ten tails to pay for the sins of the their mother..., well I can smell something cheesy going there.

Anyway thanks for detailed explanation and nice time , I enjoyed it. + rep for you

 

[mikey18307]

can't believe you lot are still going on about this..madara's juubi jin form is not even up to so6p represented by the fact madara's staff is only of the moon and the so6p's is of both moon and sun which tells you madara isn't even close...
also hagoromo said ever since indra's transmigration ended and madara was able to bring the sage's power, that he has been trying to get closer to the so6p and his mothers power...emphasis on "trying"...
side note...just cos madara has the rinnegan, it doesn't put him on the same level as the sage , the rinnegan is only a small part of his power..thats why in the sage's explaination he wasn't triffled when madara awakened it but he knew that it was a stepping stone!!

 

[apsri]

He said he sealed Juubi in his Body , just Juubi not God Tree too ^^ it was the perfect time for Kishi to tell us something like that, also the Tree was sealed in him. But that it is wrong, i dont know what happend to the God Tree after the Fight against Juubi and how Kaguya could be inside the Tree . But when he is even with 1 Eye and without full Juubi close to the Power of Hagoromo/Kaguya . Now Madara has Juubi and the God Tree inside him.
What makes his Power unpredictable.One thing is certain he has surpass HAGOROMO

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Yes, the page very strongly implies that the Juubi was the form the Shinju took in order to battle Kaguya and retrieve its chakra.

The page says that the God Tree itself went on a rampage. Why would it just stop when not only was it not getting its chakra back, but Hagoromo was sharing it among mankind?

Plus, Madara himself said that the Shinju was the original form of the Juubi, which was simply the form the Shinju took when it went on a rampage.

Obito was able to recreate the God Tree when he fought the Shinobi Alliance. He had only absorbed the Juubi, not the Shinju. How did he do that if the Shinju and the Juubi are two entirely different entities?

Again, remember Occam's razor. My explanation requires you to accept that the Juubi is an evolution / devolution of the Shinju. Yours requires me to accept that the Shinju decided to stop its rampage, and restart it now, that it let Hagoromo go scot free for sealing the Juubi, which it created as a minion, that it has some how managed to hide for thousands of years, that Madara thought it would be easier to wage war on the entire world than to simply find the Shinju and that it then sprung out of nowhere at the exact time that the Juubi was revived.

Which seems to require fewer assumptions?

 

[apsri]

Now that he is about to become one with Kaguya. I beg to differ. He should be stronger than the Sage now.

Not yet, then. After he becomes one with Kaguya.

 

[xxxLegacy]

Hmm... if your way of interpratation is correct to Kishi's or will be stated as manga fact then I approve and completly agree.

I will only answer about Juubi and God Tree being able to exist at the same time. hmm... let's me take DBZ as example

I hope you watched DBZ... If yes then Perfect Cell is perfect example as even after coughing C18 which was needed for him to attain this perfect form he was able to keep it. I believe it would be same with Juubi being made of God Tree with Kagyua sealed in it for time being, until The God Tree was again disconnected from the Juubi, aka chakra monster.

In short: Original Juubi = God Tree with Kagyua trapped inside
Original Juubi - God Tree with Kagyua trapped inside = Weakened Juubi...

I know it make a litte sense, but this is Kishi for you

Besides, don't you find coinsidence that nothing was heard about Kagyua then suddenly Ten tails beast appeared from nowhere. a tricky or hiding something ?.., also The way Hagoromo said he along with his brother fought Ten tails to pay for the sins of the their mother..., well I can smell something cheesy going there.

Anyway thanks for detailed explanation and nice time , I enjoyed it. + rep for you

And the Fruit as Power of God Tree is irrelevant ^^
Hagoromo has say that , cuz Kaguya just has stolen the Fruit from Tree.:yeah:
I hope we are going to know more at the next Chapter .

 

[Jarex]

This thread is for madara fans. Wheew.

What the sage said was that madara wants to achieve his power then his mother. He didn't say madara was close to his power.

How can someone be close to your power and then gets soloed by some with half your power?

 

[Seventh Sama]

Ofc, The sage shall remain the strongest until the manga states that madara has the power of kaguya. So as of right now..
Hagoromo> Madara.

 

[bashkim]

No he is stronger no doubt. He gain measure power up. When get his other Rinnegan eye. He will gain even more power.

 

[Bantos]

Why does anyone even care? Madara is a shitty character that's poorly written and he should just disappear.

 

[xxxLegacy]

Yes, the page very strongly implies that the Juubi was the form the Shinju took in order to battle Kaguya and retrieve its chakra.

The page says that the God Tree itself went on a rampage. Why would it just stop when not only was it not getting its chakra back, but Hagoromo was sharing it among mankind?

Plus, Madara himself said that the Shinju was the original form of the Juubi, which was simply the form the Shinju took when it went on a rampage.

Obito was able to recreate the God Tree when he fought the Shinobi Alliance. He had only absorbed the Juubi, not the Shinju. How did he do that if the Shinju and the Juubi are two entirely different entities?

Again, remember Occam's razor. My explanation requires you to accept that the Juubi is an evolution / devolution of the Shinju. Yours requires me to accept that the Shinju decided to stop its rampage, and restart it now, that it let Hagoromo go scot free for sealing the Juubi, which it created as a minion, that it has some how managed to hide for thousands of years, that Madara thought it would be easier to wage war on the entire world than to simply find the Shinju and that it then sprung out of nowhere at the exact time that the Juubi was revived.

Which seems to require fewer assumptions?

But as Obito has recreate the Tree after sealing the Juubi and, right? But how he could recreate the Tree and still be the Juubi Jinchūriki ? I tell you how , the Tree and the Juubi are two things. As Obito has lost the Juubi it comes out and the Tree was born , but Obito has also Gedo Mazo in his body with the 7 beasts and a little Chakra of 8/9tails and because of that he he could be a Jinchūriki.
It is clear that the Juubi is just the mobile part of God Tree ( or i hope we know more next week^^)