Madara has better sensing than Kaguya?

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Kagebunshin

Even the Byakugan can't distinguish the clones

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Kaguya failed to identify the real Naruto

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Even Pain and Itachi couldn't figure out Kakashi's clones.

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Yet somehow, Madara was able to tell Naruto's Kage Bunshin from the real one.

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Because Kaguya never trained to distinguish/differentiate perfect Kage Bunshin a Ninjutsu technique and their original caster.

Yes she have a power of projenitor of the world. But not a God that omniscient
 

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Kagebunshin

Even the Byakugan can't distinguish the clones

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Kaguya failed to identify the real Naruto

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Yet somehow, Madarawas able to tell Naruto's Kage Bunshin from the real one.

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EMS allows the user to decipher the real ones from the clones.
 

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Lel madara is just good at guessing he couldn't tell naruto was a shadow clone here[ ][ ]

Notice how madara says "another kage bunshin?" clearly he can't distinguish shadow clones either. All madara did was make accurate guesses

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Lel madara is just good at guessing he couldn't tell naruto was a shadow clone here[ ][ ]

Notice how madara says "another kage bunshin?" clearly he can't distinguish shadow clones either. All madara did was make accurate guesses

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Yeah, but at that moment he just arrived on the battlefield, hardly knowing Naruto's capability, yet made an accurate statement about him being a Kagebunshin.

Too much of a coincidence.


Secondly, when he said "another Kagebunshin", there were already visible Kagebunshin present. To me it was a sign of boredom rather than surprise. Only the real one was shown to be able to use Bijuumode at that time.
 
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nice fanfiction kid
"There's no denying Kishi's own writing that straight-comma sharingan gives even better visual analysis. He [Madara] was the only one who could recognize Hashirama's clones as clones. Clones are identical to the user, so there's some serious visual power behind the ability to recognize clones. It can notice what not even the Byakugan can, so it should be able to see through Mu's jutsu, or at least recognize that a jutsu's being used." - Sennin of Logic
 

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"There's no denying Kishi's own writing that straight-comma sharingan gives even better visual analysis. He [Madara] was the only one who could recognize Hashirama's clones as clones. Clones are identical to the user, so there's some serious visual power behind the ability to recognize clones. It can notice what not even the Byakugan can, so it should be able to see through Mu's jutsu, or at least recognize that a jutsu's being used." - Sennin of Logic
still it can´t no need for reading fanfiction.
 

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It's weird because he has instances in which he can like OP showed above and then instances where he can't (like someone explained above), I feel it's just a lack of consistency by Kishi.
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Plus Kaguya see with her Byakugan eyes not Rinn Sharingan. Byakugan can see chakra color and if Kage Bunshin and their caster have same chakra color and same chakra ratio. In no way she can tell the difference.
 

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Yeah, but at that moment he just arrived on the battlefield, hardly knowing Naruto's capability, yet made an accurate statement about him being a Kagebunshin.

Too much of a coincidence.


Secondly, when he said "another Kagebunshin", there were already visible Kagebunshin present. To me it was a sign of boredom rather than surprise.
Black zetsu(who can communicate with him telepathically) and kabuto informed him of naruto, he also already saw naruto(or rather his clone) before arriving in that battlefield

There was no other KB present at that time, naruto only created one clone the original was inside his kyuubi avatar. Madara obviously didn't know which one was which

Plus Kaguya see with her Byakugan eyes not Rinn Sharingan. Byakugan can see chakra color and if Kage Bunshin and their caster have same chakra color and same chakra ratio. In no way she can tell the difference.
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Notice her third eye also focusing on sasuke
 
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Black zetsu(who can communicate with him telepathically) and kabuto informed him of naruto, he also already saw naruto(or rather his clone) before arriving in that battlefield

There was no other KB present at that time, naruto only created one clone the original was inside his kyuubi avatar. Madara obviously didn't know which one was which
Yeah he saw his Kagebunshin before, but he arrived on the battlefield while he and Obito were talking and not fighting. One would naturally assume the real one would be the one talking, yet Madara knew it was a Kage Bunshin.

Like I said, it was too much of a coincidence.

Also, with the other scan you posted. The real one was the only one shown to be able to go into full bijuu avatar mode at that time, so obviously Madara knew which was the real one.
 

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Black zetsu(who can communicate with him telepathically) and kabuto informed him of naruto, he also already saw naruto(or rather his clone) before arriving in that battlefield

There was no other KB present at that time, naruto only created one clone the original was inside his kyuubi avatar. Madara obviously didn't know which one was which



She can see with her third eye

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Notice her third eye also focusing on sasuke
But most of the time she sees with her Byakugan eyes. Never happen in the Kaguya arc she was showing to used her Rinn Sharingan vision field.

Don't you see a clear sign that she never used her 9 tomoe to see something.

If she knew/awared that she unable to differentiate a clone and original with Byakugan eyes, why she not switch into Rinn Sharingan vision.

Byakugan vision field.
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Sharingan vision field(EMS eyes still produced the same vision field)
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Yeah he saw his Kagebunshin before, but he arrived on the battlefield while he and Obito were talking and not fighting. One would naturally assume the real one would be the one talking, yet Madara knew it was a Kage Bunshin.

Like I said, it was too much of a coincidence.

Also, with the other scan you posted. The real one was the only one shown to be able to go into full bijuu avatar mode at that time, so obviously Madara knew which was the real one.
Why must he assume that the original must be the one talking? When his clones were talking while fighting the 5 kage, does he believe that a clone should not speak? What is more logical(in my view) is that madara guessed that the one behind was the original because normally clones are used as distractions or ways to test the strength of new enemies as both kakashi, itachi as well as all clone users employ these methods

To our knowledge only the original was shown to use the avatar but it was neither stated nor even suggested that a clone couldn't do it, that was just a mere assumption. If madara knew for certain, him being surprised that the clone naruto was a clone would not be written, I mean what would be the point of him acting surprised if he knew for a fact which was which?

The thing is that madara being able to tell the difference between shadow clones and the original is something that madara himself never said, what he said was that he could tell the difference between hashirama and his wood clones.

Wood clone=/=shadow clones


But most of the time she saw with her Byakugan eyes. Never happen in the Kaguya arc she shown to used her Rinn Sharingan vision field.

Don't you see a clear sign that she never used her 9 tomoe to see something.

If she knew/awared that she unable to differentiate a clone and original with Byakugan eyes, why she not switch into Rinn Sharingan vision.

Byakugan vision field.
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Sharingan vision field(EMS eyes still produced the same vision field)
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Kaguya is the juubi(or at least is the part in control of it) The juubi's eye is the rinne sharingan the juubi sees with the rinne sharingan.

Who says the rinne sharingan would be better at distinguishing between clones and further more who says she hasn't already tried?

Not showing the rinne sharingan's vision doesn't mean that the eye cannot be used to see since we clearly know that the juubi uses that very same eye to see. Kaguya not being able to disinguishthe clones from the original is way to show the effectiveness of the jutsu.
 
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Kaguya is the juubi(or at least is the part in control of it) The juubi's eye is the rinne sharingan the juubi sees with the rinne sharingan.

Who says the rinne sharingan would be better at distinguishing between clones and further more who says she hasn't already tried?

Not showing the rinne sharingan's vision doesn't mean that the eye cannot be used to see since we clearly know that the juubi uses that very same eye to see. Kaguya not being able to disinguishthe clones from the original is way to show the effectiveness of the jutsu.
I just want to tell you that Kaguya never tried to use her Rinn Sharingan vision field, yes she used third eye to focus on Sasuke but never used her third eye vision field for us to know it effective or not on clone. Her third eye should be superior to any MS eyes if we use ABC logic.

Because that I said most of the time she only used Byakugan vision field to see through everything.

At bold.

When she tried?
 
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@OP

Your mistake is putting Kakashi on the same plateau as Naruto when it comes to Kagebushin.

Kagebushin is Naruto's signature jutsu. He's perfected it to the point that Byakugan Neji, 3T Sasuke, and even jonins like Asuma, Yamato and Kakashi can't distinguish the real Naruto from his clones. Hell Pein was killed because he was taken by surprise by one of Naruto's kagebushin. Kaguya not being able to distinguish a Rikudo Sage Mode Kagebushin, should not surprise anyone.

As far as Itachi detecting Kakshi's clone; it was after he place a genjutsu on it and realized it wasn't working.

With Pein, he seemed more annoyed that Kakashi was using a clone to try to fight him.

They're not in the same league at all.
 

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I just want to tell you that Kaguya never tried to use her Rinn Sharingan vision field, yes she used third eye to focus on Sasuke but never used her third eye vision field for us to know it effective or not on clone. Her third eye should be superior to any MS eyes if we use ABC logic.

Because that I said most of the time she only used Byakugan vision field to see through everything.

At bold.

When she tried?
Yes rinne sharingan following ABC logic should be superior to the MS in terms of vison, but it is only an assumption that the leap in vision clarity is enough to be able to distinguish KB from the original. Just because her rinne sharingan vision wasn't shown, doesn't mean she can't see with said dojutsu. The juubi used the eye just fine to see

Well that could be because the byakugan has better vision than the rinne sharingan

That's the thing, you can't know whether she has tried or not and it proved ineffective at finding any difference.
 
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