Madara fooled? Or Sasuke manipulated?

Choose the one you think is being deceived

  • Madara is unaware that Sasuke is fooling him

    Votes: 7 35.0%
  • Sasuke is unaware that Madara is manipulating him

    Votes: 13 65.0%

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Kuroi Honoo

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I have a reason to believe that Sasuke is fooling Madara because there have been several situations where this has been seemingly made apparent.

[1]


With these two tell us that Sasuke remembers the memory with Itachi and even though it was tweaked a little by him, it was only to continue fooling Sasuke. Madara on the other hand tried to turn this into a lie fed by Itachi to cover himself. Although, from this flash back that Sasuke had, it began the complex path Madara is in where he is trying to completely manipulate Sasuke.

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Here we have Sasuke saying that he will destroy Konohagakure but this is said while Madara is around which fine, people can say "Oh Sasuke is whacked and is totally being used by Madara" or if you think about it some more, you might get the feeling that he said that because it would be something Madara would love to hear.

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As Taka-han are on their way to Konoha, they are stopped by Madara who tells them his dissaponitment in the failed capture of the Hachibi but instead has a new mission for them which Sasuke declines and attacks with Chidoi. Why would he do this if he is following under Madara?

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When Sasuke hears who the next Hokage is, he suddenly displays a facial expression of either disgust or shock which that is not right. He questions his former village how they could have elected such a man like Danzou. Not exactly what you would expect from someone who previously said that he wanted Konoha's destruction. He is only then persuaded into accepting by the simple fact that he'd be facing off with Danzou. Which furthers my belief in Sasuke having no trust in Madara and is rather using him.


[5]

Here we have Sasuke telling Taka their destination has been changed and that they are on their way to take Danzou's head. While Madara is joyed by the decision for his own personal gain, Sasuke only has one thing in mind and that is being a step closer to achieving his revenge unexpectedly by the means of eliminating Danzou first.

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Lastly Sasuke and Karin are visited by Madara who lets Sasuke know that he will let him out and has a "souvenir" waiting for him outside. They are both then released out of Madara's mask and face Danzou. Although, Madara thinks that all is going acordingly to plan by having Sasuke fight Danzou, it might appear as if Sasuke is doing as his bidding but the realization is that of course Sasuke is going to do so. His desire to annihilate all three elders are beginning to fall in place.

So in conclusion, Sasuke attempt to eliminating Danzou is just as much as his desire as much as it is Madara's and I have yet to see how "Sasuke is under Madara's control". Even so this is an opinion, until I see solid evidence of Sasuke truly being used by Madara I will side with him being on his own side and is fooling Madara and even learning everything he can from him so that in the future he will be able to rebel against him. I mean Madara is the mastermind/instigator for founding Akatsuki/realeasing the Kyuubi/part played in the Uchiha massacre thus far and now wants to initiate the Tsuki no Me Keikaku plus the other things he's commited here and there. How could Sasuke not want him to pay for what he has done. I welcome any and all opinions/debates that may come my way. I forgot to poll this option due to this being the first time posting a thread, it is if anyone believes that neither is being deceived then please do post your opinion and gomen for any inconveniences.​
 
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I think sasuke is fooling madara because as weve all seen in the past he goes by his own rules and doesnt want to follow anyone else
 

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I think sasuke is fooling madara because as weve all seen in the past he goes by his own rules and doesnt want to follow anyone else
Arigatou for posting your thoughts and sumimasen if the thread was a little messy. I just finished editing some things and that is exactly what I'm trying to say.​
 

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sasuke manipulated.
He wants to fool Madara as he did with Orochimaru.

Madara wants to fool Sasuke.

But they are both fooling each other!

Cannot chose any option from the poll, I need one with "They are both aware that the other one is trying to fool him, and are trying to take advantage for their own purposes".
 

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Well I think Madara is trying to do what he did with Nagato and the question is whether this will work against Sasuke or not?
Madara told this to Naruto himself, "If you want to control people's heart you have to use the darkness within them". I think by making Sasuke fight Danzo he is showing Sasuke that he is on his side. Madara's main aim is to find a strong shinobi who can sync with Gedo Mazo and Sasuke fits in perfectly. I think he will keep manipulating Sasuke till he gets what he wants out of him, I say that caz he has been able to do that with all the other strong characters as well.
 

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I think madara is definitely tricking him, he is leading sasuke to think he is rebelling but yet at the same time there is not one thing sasuke has done that madara didn't want him to do
 

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Well I think at first Sasuke tried to manipulate Madara, I don't think it worked though. Madara might not be telling the whole truth, however, I think there is definalty truth to this story.
And up to this point I have seen nothing to suggest Sasuke is tricking Madara. Madara convinced Sasuke to attack another village to steal the eight tails, and attack to Kage summit. Sasuke has done everything Madara wants.
The 4th even said that someone (aka Madara) saw through everything he did, and out played him, period. I doubt seriously that Sasuke is more of a genius than the fourth, enough to play Madara.
Now I'm not saying he won't ever NOT pull on over on him. I just don't think he is now, or anytime soon for that matter.
 

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Just the title made me laugh xd Madara: Fooled, Sasuke: Manipulated xd Nothing special, you just pointed out the small facts, good job ^^
Just one thing, why is sasuke being manipulated while madara is being fooled? Why can't sasuke be fooled? or madara be manipulated? Why did you choose to use 2 different words with the same meaning on 2 different characters?
 
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This is wrong, sasuke knows that madara is manipulating him...in some points, its like with orochimaru, he came to him knowing what orochimaru was planning!!! but he is so weak, alone he would not know what or how he should live, he is a case for suicide -.- xd
 

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madara is to smart for sasuke. he knows that sasuke is not the lolay type of guy(gay). it is also more like that sasuke knows thta madara uses him, but madara knows that sasuke knows about madara. sasuke is not the brightest knife in the drawer exactly.
 

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Well i personally think that they r both trying to manipulate each other for their own goals. Sasuke for revenge because as of right now sasuke has said nothing of wanting piwer anymore.. As u can c before the time skip all sasuke wanted was power during the time skip all sasuke did was train to gain power. So now he thinks he has enough plus the free power up from itachi. The only reason why i say its free is because itachi helped him get his ms. Its true itachi implanted amaterasu in sasuke, but that was it. As u can see wen he used itachis amaterasu he had itachis ms. After he was told the truth about itachi he developed his own ms. Which he gained his own amat, tsu, and susanoo.. We. Can tell its his becuz his is a different version. Even madara stated this. N we know its his becuz even sasuke himself stated dat only ms users who can control both eyes can summon susanoo. N the last reason its his becuz if u notice madara, madara was talking about how rare it is for even a ms holder to summon susanoo. So both itachi n sasuke are ver rare cases. Now back to the point sasuke is trying to manipulate madara becuz sasuke himself said he will use amaterasu on madara if madara tries anyhing funny. He stated this on the way to konoha wen juggo asked ig madara can b trusted. Now madara shows lack of trust in sasuke as well. Becus if he had full trs in sasuke he wouldve synched sasuke with the gedo mazo(spellin) already. N another statement that shows lack of trust is the d statement zetsu said about how sasuke will b stronger than pain but will b useless because they cant controll him. So both parties are tryin to manipulate each other. The question is. Who is going to manipulated at the end?
 
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