Madara fanboys and Kishimoto interview !!!!!!!!!

[KidGamer65]

It's not people's fault that Madara is equal to the s06p already. Deal with it... So yes this Madara > Hashi by far.

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[MrSimple]

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more like "when I don't have anything to say I post this garbage"

 

[KidGamer65]

more like "when I don't have anything to say I post this garbage"

If anything was garbage it was your idiotic post, Madara can't beat the Sage this is fact and it will remain fact, even if Madara gets the Juubi.

 

[shelke]

@Kidgamer I am disappointed in you. For once, you are not talking with any proof at all. You have zero manga proof to back this up.

 

[KidGamer65]

@Kidgamer I am disappointed in you. For once, you are not talking with any proof at all. You have zero manga proof to back this up.

I have all the proof I need:

-Jinchuuriki of the Juubi
-His Chibaku Tensei became the moon. (He made it that big in his old age, imagine how big it would be in his prime).
-Mastered the Rinnegan and all 5 elements.
-Had Creation of All Things

This alone should be sufficient proof that shows that the Sage is unrivaled.

 

[MrSimple]

I have all the proof I need:

-Jinchuuriki of the Juubi
-His Chibaku Tensei became the moon. (He made it that big in his old age, imagine how big it would be in his prime).
-Mastered the Rinnegan and all 5 elements.
-Had Creation of All Things

This alone should be sufficient proof that shows that the Sage is unrivaled.

You mean invented the jutsu not created all of it. Also the plot no jutsu didn't let Madara to mastered the inyoton and the rinnegan. However he said that he will teach Obito how to use rikodou's rinnegan and the inyoton. So lately he might do something about it.

 

[KidGamer65]

You mean invented the jutsu not created all of it. Also the plot no jutsu didn't let Madara to mastered the inyoton and the rinnegan. However he said that he will teach Obito how to use rikodou's rinnegan and the inyoton. So lately he might do something about it.

Did I say he created all jutsu? I think you should read my post again.

@bold: Plot no Jutsu? What a lame excuse....he can use all the paths anyway he just hasn't mastered them like the Sage has.

 

[shelke]

I have all the proof I need:

-Jinchuuriki of the Juubi
-His Chibaku Tensei became the moon. (He made it that big in his old age, imagine how big it would be in his prime).
-Mastered the Rinnegan and all 5 elements.
-Had Creation of All Things

This alone should be sufficient proof that shows that the Sage is unrivaled.

- He subdued it with his eyes. Which should be obvious this far into the manga. So that doesn't prove anything.

- Never doubted that his tensai was not powerful.

- Didn't argue this either.

- Creation of all things was the ONLY jutsu he ever created. Izanagi is based on this principle and utilizes the rin yan release.

Now let's look at non-edo Madara:

- Has merged with the senju DNA, allowing the mixing of the two bloodlines. This would give him a large supply of chakra from Hashirama as well.

- Has the rinnegan and the 7 paths. The outer path is the seventh path. This give him the sage's eyes, correct?

- The sage utilized the yin and yang release to create the nine beasts, didn't Madara create the black zetsu as well? Now you will argue that come on he created the tailed beasts, well, he didn't. He simply split up the already present chakra of the ten tails, and just gave them form. Madara also posses the yin yang release now.

- Madara is the only one who knew everything about the sage after he fully studied the tablet with rinnegan. I seriously doubt he is stupid enough to not consider all the possibilities. It means that by combining with senju DNA, he single bloodline?

- Now going by all of this, add an immortal body and unlimited chakra into the mix? How can you say that he's not surpassed the sage?

 

[Hikari Uchiha Senju]

I'm not a fangirl,but still I think Madara is stronger than Minato and Hiruzen....oh,and anyway I think it will be Edo Hashirama > Edo Madara ^^

 

[KingHashirama]

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There truly can be no more discussion after this. There is nothing currently known about Hashirama which could make him stronger than Edo Madara.

Maybe thats why you should wait, and see why Madara believes Hashirama can stop him. Something called common sense. Judging someone's power and saying they are weaker then the person who says that "Hashirama can stop me" is idiotic, when you haven't even seen that person in action.

SO6P has no feats and we have never seen him battle thus it is all speculation on his power. You have nothing to back you up with SO6P being the strongest. You just think because he is SO6P he must be the most powerful.

God of Shinobi, Juubi is the strongest thing in Naruto.... He the jinchuriki of the Juubi = The strongest.

The sage wasn't a Ninja, he was a monk.

"God of Shinobi", creator of ninjutsu.

How much of fail are you actually. The Rikudo Sennin cannot be compared to anyone in the series, he was a monk living in a time before Ninjas have exist, he created and followed his Religion from where Ninjutsu was created. He is out of any discussion. That Madara hasn't any weakness doesn't mean that the sage has. The sage has also no weakness but has powers which are still above Madaras power level. Hashirama fought the EMS in a fight to death, this was a fight of two equals which could kill each other. And now this guy wants to tell me that Madara, after gaining the Rinnegan, Hashiramas Mokuton, immortality and limitless chakra, is still inferior to Hashirama. This has nothing to do with the perfect Susanoo only, Hashirama didn't face onlythe perfect Susanoo, he faced much more, he faced all abilities of Madara, the complete EMS, Katon-Techniques and more, this was Madaras full power and not only one perfect Susanoo. He had to face the EMS and fought it in a fight to death. Now he has not only to face the EMS, he has to face the powers of the Rinnegan on top of that, means he has to put much more effort in order to counter multiple, powerful techniques that the Rinnegan has to offer. For example using a Chou Shinra Tensei in order to crush Hashiramas tree world and using the perfect Susanoo right after. He can counter Hashiramas wood techniques with wood techniques, Madara can also cover the landscape with a forest, use the wood Dragon and multiple wood clones he can combine with Susanoo.

Who says that Madara didn't loose because of his chakra exhaustion? Maybe Madara could keep his perfect Susanoo up for only a few minutes, especially after using exhausting techniques before? Now, with unlimited Chakra Madara can just spam techniques, he can put his whole energy in a Chou Shinra Tensei that is bigger than Nagatos by far, in order to reduce Hashiramas biggest tree world into dust. Due to the unlimited Chakra he could send out multiple wood clones with Susanoo against Hashirama or use the perfect Susanoo in order to go on rampage, without a time limit where he could get exhausted. At any time of the battle he could dissolve it in order to use the next Chou Shinra Tensei, use Chibaku Tensei or throw a few meteors from the heavens, before using the perfect Susanoo without any chakra loss again. Not to mention that Madara will regenerate himself after all attacks Hashirama has to offer, even if he gets reduced to dust. He spammed meteorites in his fight, covered the landscape with a tree world, used 25 clones with Susanoo (though someone like Itachi and Sasuke are reaching their limit after using one Susanoo for too long) and put out the perfect Susanoo in the end, without getting tired. As if Madara had such a stamina in his lifetime.

How mad are these Hashirama fanboys to compare him to the current Madara, who is truly closest to the sage of the six paths.

These two Hashirama fanboys are just talking the piss when saying, that Edo Madaras full power is the same as EMS Madaras, Edo Madara is god level. His repertoire of powers is more powerful by far, he is combining the most powerful abilities we have seen in the series so far, the EMS, the Doujutsu of the sage of the six paths and the Kekkei Kenkai of Hashirama Senju, connected with limitless Chakra. Who can be compared with this.

1. Hes already been compared to Naruto Uzumaki in the manga.. So yes he can be compared. How do you beat someone with no weakness?? Even overpowering doesn't work.. the point was that Kishimoto saying Madara has no weakness in that "interview" was irrelevant, due to the fact Edo's weakness is Seals.

2. You don't know shit about Hashirama's power, so your assumption of how their battle will go is irrelevant.

3. Madara has called him the "Ultimate shinobi"

4. He still hasn't proved how he is stronger then the guy , who he had to face with a tailed beast.

5. I already said Edo Madara is God level in so many threads..

6. The guy who even compared Madara to the SO6P said that he (Kabuto) is closest to the SO6P, being able to give life to non-living objects

7. Chakra exhaustion is still a loss. Just proved Hashirama was superior. Even though Hashirama had to waste way more chakra then Madara, logically.

We Hashirama fans only started considering him being the strongest , because the guy you defend said "Hes the ultimate shinobi", and that only HE can stop him.

 

[KidGamer65]

- He subdued it with his eyes. Which should be obvious this far into the manga. So that doesn't prove anything.

- Never doubted that his tensai was not powerful.

- Didn't argue this either.

- Creation of all things was the ONLY jutsu he ever created. Izanagi is based on this principle and utilizes the rin yan release.

Now let's look at non-edo Madara:

- Has merged with the senju DNA, allowing the mixing of the two bloodlines. This would give him a large supply of chakra from Hashirama as well.

- Has the rinnegan and the 7 paths. The outer path is the seventh path. This give him the sage's eyes, correct?

- The sage utilized the yin and yang release to create the nine beasts, didn't Madara create the black zetsu as well? Now you will argue that come on he created the tailed beasts, well, he didn't. He simply split up the already present chakra of the ten tails, and just gave them form. Madara also posses the yin yang release now.

- Madara is the only one who knew everything about the sage after he fully studied the tablet with rinnegan. I seriously doubt he is stupid enough to not consider all the possibilities. It means that by combining with senju DNA, he single bloodline?

- Now going by all of this, add an immortal body and unlimited chakra into the mix? How can you say that he's not surpassed the sage?

-Never said he beat the Juubi, I said that he was the Jinchuuriki of it.

-Never said you argued this...I said this to show why the Sage is better than Madara.

-Does it matter if its the only jutsu he created? It is still a very powerful jutsu..
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-This doesn't mean much considering the fact that the Sage had the Juubi (Chakra of all Bijuu 1-9 on his side), and he is where the Senju and Uchiha came from 100% Undiluted DNA.

-So does the Sage, but the difference is he has mastered it.

-He used Creation of All Things to create the Bijuu, and yes he did create them, but it wasn't out of nothing, he created them from the Juubi's chakra. Madara may have Yin Yang Release but he does not have Creation of All Things.

-So what if he knows everything about him? If he doesn't have the ability and power to counter him then it is pointless.

-Everything you listed can be done by the Sage, but better..unlimited chakra makes no difference because it is his same chakra level from when he was alive, but it just doesn't run out. Immortality is useless when Madara is sealed in the bigger than the Moon sized Chibaku Tensei.

 

[shelke]

-Never said he beat the Juubi, I said that he was the Jinchuuriki of it.

-Never said you argued this...I said this to show why the Sage is better than Madara.

-Does it matter if its the only jutsu he created? It is still a very powerful jutsu..
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-This doesn't mean much considering the fact that the Sage had the Juubi (Chakra of all Bijuu 1-9 on his side), and he is where the Senju and Uchiha came from 100% Undiluted DNA.

-So does the Sage, but the difference is he has mastered it.

-He used Creation of All Things to create the Bijuu, and yes he did create them, but it wasn't out of nothing, he created them from the Juubi's chakra. Madara may have Yin Yang Release but he does not have Creation of All Things.

-So what if he knows everything about him? If he doesn't have the ability and power to counter him then it is pointless.

-Everything you listed can be done by the Sage, but better..unlimited chakra makes no difference because it is his same chakra level from when he was alive, but it just doesn't run out. Immortality is useless when Madara is sealed in the bigger than the Moon sized Chibaku Tensei.

- Madara alone is not better or even at the same level. But, non-edo Madara has rinnegan, EMS, and the senju dna, making him a man who is housing two bloodlines. This is a very different scenario.

- I think the debate is for a non-jinchuriki sage? The sage alone? I doubt he was any where near the power of his jinchurki.

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- The creation of all things utilizes the following principle:

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. It's Izanagi. Madara taught this jutsu to Obito that's why he was able to use it to evade Konan:

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. Since he used it to create black zetsu, what is there to say that this isn't the creation of all things jutsu? When going by the first scan, Izanagi is the creation of all things and requires yin yang release, and Madara has both of them now? And according to tobi, you need both the power of Uchiha and senju to use it:

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- Show me proof that without the Juubi, Madara with both the blood lines can't take on the sage? When going by everything I posted, he has everything the sage had, and more as the sage knew no nijutsu, taijutsu, or kenjutsu?

- I was not even talking about non-edo Madara.

 

[KidGamer65]

- Madara alone is not better or even at the same level. But, non-edo Madara has rinnegan, EMS, and the senju dna, making him a man who is housing two bloodlines. This is a very different scenario.

- I think the debate is for a non-jinchuriki sage? The sage alone? I doubt he was any where near the power of his jinchurki.

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- The creation of all things utilizes the following principle:

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. It's Izanagi. Madara taught this jutsu to Obito that's why he was able to use it to evade Konan:

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. Since he used it to create black zetsu, what is there to say that this isn't the creation of all things jutsu? When going by the first scan, Izanagi is the creation of all things and requires yin yang release, and Madara has both of them now? And according to tobi, you need both the power of Uchiha and senju to use it:

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- Show me proof that without the Juubi, Madara with both the blood lines can't take on the sage? When going by everything I posted, he has everything the sage had, and more as the sage knew no nijutsu, taijutsu, or kenjutsu?

- I was not even talking about non-edo Madara.

-I know that, but the Sage has all these things (Senju and Uchiha, Rinnegan, Yin-Yang).

-It follows the same principle but that does not make it the same exact Jutsu..
COAT creates something from nothing using Yin to make shape, and Yang to give life, while Izanagi simply turns the user's imagination into a reality.

-The Sage has Rinnegan, which gives him the power of the Six Paths and all 5 elements so it should be obvious he knows Ninjutsu, he had a sword with him too so he most likely knows Kenjutsu too:

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He mastered the Rinnegan and one of those Rinnegan techs is the Asura Path, which give you robotic limbs so he most likely knew Taijutsu also.

-I know that, you're talking about Edo Madara right?

 

[shelke]

- So does non-edo Madara with rinnegan and senju abilities.

- Dude, look at the very first dialogue: Izanagi was originally a jutsu used by the sage ... to create things. It is the same jutsu, as it requires both the bloodlines and the rinnegan. That's the jutsu Madara taught Obito, and he's able to use it because he has the same injected senju Dna, but with one rinnegan only.

- That page doesn't prove your comment, but having power over elements doesn't mean he could use the ninjutsus people use today. He may have been able to simply manipulate elements? Like for example, Chibaku tensai basically manipulates earth and gravity forces but you can't call it a normal jutsu, as it's exclusive to rinnegan abilities? I have never seen any sword, but a classic staff only.

- Yes that he surpassed the sage because he has unlimited put into the equation and non-edo can certainly match the sage given by the points I made. You can say that I am wrong, I very well could be, but you can't say that the thought is idiotic given the facts baking it up.

 

[shelke]

Forgot to counter taijutsu part. Look, his teachings were ninjutsu, so is to say he didn't propagate the basis for kenjusu, ninjutsu, and Taijutsu? Modern versions are far too evolved, you have to admit that.

 

[KidGamer65]

- So does non-edo Madara with rinnegan and senju abilities.

- Dude, look at the very first dialogue: Izanagi was originally a jutsu used by the sage ... to create things. It is the same jutsu, as it requires both the bloodlines and the rinnegan. That's the jutsu Madara taught Obito, and he's able to use it because he has the same injected senju Dna, but with one rinnegan only.

- That page doesn't prove your comment, but having power over elements doesn't mean he could use the ninjutsus people use today. He may have been able to simply manipulate elements? Like for example, Chibaku tensai basically manipulates earth and gravity forces but you can't call it a normal jutsu, as it's exclusive to rinnegan abilities? I have never seen any sword, but a classic staff only.

- Yes that he surpassed the sage because he has unlimited put into the equation and non-edo can certainly match the sage given by the points I made. You can say that I am wrong, I very well could be, but you can't say that the thought is idiotic given the facts baking it up.

-If they are the same jutsu it must not have the same effects with every user, cause the Sage was described as able to create something from nothingness. While currently Izanagi has been described as being able to control the state of your existance.

-The page was added to show that the Sage has a sword..as for him being able to use elemental jutsu..I'm not gonna delve deep into that since it will all be pure speculation on my part.

-I don't see how unlimited chakra helps against a guy who can easily seal him away...it's not like his chakra levels increased.

-All I was saying is that he should at least know how to use a sword, same with Taijutsu, since that's what Asura Path is mostly (hand to hand).

 

[shelke]

Posted in the relevant thread.

 

[shinobu sensui]

madara fan logic: madara has surpassed so6p! madara has mokuton and perfect susanoo and rinnegan! so6p has only rinnegan

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[Vegeta]

Wow that's funny, this thread is like the losers bracket from the Edo Madara>Hashirama discussion

 

[Amaterasuice]

Well duh. Madara isn't strongest.

1. So6p
2. Hashirama
3. Madara