[Spoilers] madara did not have rinnegan....

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Madara did not have the rinnegan when he fought the 1st hokage. He said that he obtained it SHORTLY BEFORE IS DEATH. This leads me to assume that it was to late for him to use it against the 1st hokage. The question is what made him obtain it? what had to happen for him to obtain the rinnegan?
 

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Ummm, Madara died in his battle with Hashirama, since tobi isnt madara ofcourse.. hashirama probably brought back his body to bury, thus that's how orochimaru and kabuto got their hands on it!
Thus, Hashirama faced Madara, with a Rinnegan!
 

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Ummm, Madara died in his battle with Hashirama, since tobi isnt madara ofcourse.. hashirama probably brought back his body to bury, thus that's how orochimaru and kabuto got their hands on it!
Thus, Hashirama faced Madara, with a Rinnegan!
whatttt?? so you are saying madara fought hashirama twice?
 

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omg it's exactly like he said, ems is not the last step , surpassing the sharingan can only be done by a realllyyyyy near death experience , or actually being near death, unlike normal sharingan which just takes a slight tramautic experience to unlock, or mangekyou which takes a decent tramautic experience (Aka brother dieing) , to get rinnegan you have to be actually dieing or something
 

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When Uchiha blood is mixed with Senju, the Rinnegan is made.

So I believe Madara fought Hashirama knowing that he was going to die, but he did not fight him to defeat Hashirama, but to gain his DNA. And therefore obtain the Rinnegan shortly before his death, that's why he must have split in two and Tobi implanted the Rinnegan into Nagato so Madara could be brought back the Rinne Tensei. However, since Nagato didn't fulfill his purpose, Tobi (Madara) took it back. Claiming it was his in the first place. And since Edo Madara already has it, both of them have a Rinnegan, if the two were to be reconnected together. I can't even describe what would happen.
 
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here we go

to get reg sharingan

Get really pissed

ms=
oh wtf pissed

ems
HOLY MOTHA FLIP pissed

rinnegan
ok im dead f this world


there ye go ^_^

thats my way of how he got it
 

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omg it's exactly like he said, ems is not the last step , surpassing the sharingan can only be done by a realllyyyyy near death experience , or actually being near death, unlike normal sharingan which just takes a slight tramautic experience to unlock, or mangekyou which takes a decent tramautic experience (Aka brother dieing) , to get rinnegan you have to be actually dieing or something
But. In theory, if that was true. How did Nagato activate his? He saw the death of his parents but he wasn't physically at his last breath.
 

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Ummm, Madara died in his battle with Hashirama, since tobi isnt madara ofcourse.. hashirama probably brought back his body to bury, thus that's how orochimaru and kabuto got their hands on it!
Thus, Hashirama faced Madara, with a Rinnegan!
Yeah he died after his battle with hashirama. Maybe a few decades after lol...

He gave Nagato the Rinnegan, and the same long haired Madara met up with Itachi and Kisame as seen in both of their flashbacks. That is a a different masked man compared to the Tobi we see now.
 

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IMO, I think Madara took his EMS to full extent and that caused him to go beyond the the sharingan and obtain the rinnegan.

Well i know that..when you go through all the levels of the sharingan you end up with the rinnegan.

When Uchiha blood is mixed with Senju, the Rinnegan is made.

So I believe Madara fought Hashirama knowing that he was going to die, but he did not fight him to defeat Hashirama, but to gain his DNA. And therefore obtain the Rinnegan shortly before his death, that's why he must have split in two and Tobi implanted the Rinnegan into Nagato so Madara could be brought back the Rinne Tensei. However, since Nagato didn't fulfill his purpose, Tobi (Madara) took it back. Claiming it was his in the first place. And since Edo Madara already has it, both of them have a Rinnegan, if the two were to be reconnected together. I can't even describe what would happen.
That sounds somewhat plausible..but Madara splitting in two sounds awkward to me.
 

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Yeah, I can see why it does sound weird when you say it out loud. But so far that's the only thing that sounds the most realistic to me. Obviously I'm not saying it is right, but Madara must have gotten the Rinnegan with the help of Hashiramas DNA
 

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Yeah he died after his battle with hashirama. Maybe a few decades after lol...

He gave Nagato the Rinnegan, and the same long haired Madara met up with Itachi and Kisame as seen in both of their flashbacks. That is a a different masked man compared to the Tobi we see now.
Wrong. Long haired Tobi met Itachi and Kisame, later Kisame recognized short haired Tobi whic means that they are the same person.

Also, Tobi only took his mask off for Kisame, not for Itachi, tho this doesn't change anything.
 

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Yeah, I can see why it does sound weird when you say it out loud. But so far that's the only thing that sounds the most realistic to me. Obviously I'm not saying it is right, but Madara must have gotten the Rinnegan with the help of Hashiramas DNA

madara getting the rinnegan from hashiramas dna sounds possible...i feel like we are missing something important with this whole madara story.
 

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But. In theory, if that was true. How did Nagato activate his? He saw the death of his parents but he wasn't physically at his last breath.
with nagato it was a special case, you would have to look for the thread I made a while back, that tobi gave nagato his ems eyes , and after the traumatic experience it evolved, realize kishi has never shown nagato's normal eyes? realize nagato can't take off his rinnegan?



"As a child, his hair would regularly hang off his face blocking the view of his eyes; his normal eyes are never seen"


this is what i think tobi meant by , "I GAVE NAGATO THE RINNEGAN , IT WAS MINE TO BEGIN WITH, I WAS SIMPLY TAKING THEM BACK"
 

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whatttt?? so you are saying madara fought hashirama twice?
No, listen closely

Madara's Edo Tensei looks like he died in Battle (battle suit still on, like how Hidan was broght back without a mask, you are brought back the way you were last)

SN: Im eating noodles.. lol:lili:

Thus he could only have died in battle (since tobi is obviously not Madara, that i can swear to) the only battle that could have killed him would be against Hashirama (Hashirama IS kinda kickass). When Kabuto reffered to his PRIME, he meant Rinnegan, even madara's reaction showed he had attained rinnegan, thus what ever Kabuto edited in him is yet to be known(kishi just doesnt give out his plots like that)
Here's strong proof that he used Rinnegan to faced hashirama, He had attained MS along with his brother and took over Uchiha clan, then he took his Borther's eyes and gained EMS, before joining forces with The Senju to form Konohagakure. Later he leaves the village and returns some years later to battle Hashirama. I believe he gain Rinnegan during that period and Faced Hashirama (who might just be super kickass)

SN: i use side notes just to lighten up the talk, lol:)
Thus, he had his Rinnegan before he died and was brought back with it....
SN: obi, is probably just another uchiha who has lived for a while

Am i clear?
 

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When Uchiha blood is mixed with Senju, the Rinnegan is made.

So I believe Madara fought Hashirama knowing that he was going to die, but he did not fight him to defeat Hashirama, but to gain his DNA. And therefore obtain the Rinnegan shortly before his death, that's why he must have split in two and Tobi implanted the Rinnegan into Nagato so Madara could be brought back the Rinne Tensei. However, since Nagato didn't fulfill his purpose, Tobi (Madara) took it back. Claiming it was his in the first place. And since Edo Madara already has it, both of them have a Rinnegan, if the two were to be reconnected together. I can't even describe what would happen.
You have thought it out very good but Tobi can't be Madara for some obvious reasons I have mentioned in other posts. I believe Tobi was using Madara all along and the fight Madara had versus Hashirama was to obtain his cells so Tobi could create Rinnegan through Madara. I believe they met up after Madara left the village and became avenger. Don't know if Madara was supposed to die but I think that Tobi was going to use him to synch with Gedo Mazo and ressurect Juubi.
 

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with nagato it was a special case, you would have to look for the thread I made a while back, that tobi gave nagato his ems eyes , and after the traumatic experience it evolved, realize kishi has never shown nagato's normal eyes? realize nagato can't take off his rinnegan?



"As a child, his hair would regularly hang off his face blocking the view of his eyes; his normal eyes are never seen"


this is what i think tobi meant by , "I GAVE NAGATO THE RINNEGAN , IT WAS MINE TO BEGIN WITH, I WAS SIMPLY TAKING THEM BACK"
There is one thing that is fishy about this...Tobi is this slick evil dude that wants to take over the world. While i dont get that impression from the real Madara at all. He seems less evil and seems like taking over the world would never have been is objective. In 560 he seemed to refer to tobi as a different person.
 

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here we go

to get reg sharingan

Get really pissed

ms=
oh wtf pissed

ems
HOLY MOTHA FLIP pissed

rinnegan
ok im dead f this world


there ye go ^_^

thats my way of how he got it
LMAO !!!!!!!! So true.

You have thought it out very good but Tobi can't be Madara for some obvious reasons I have mentioned in other posts. I believe Tobi was using Madara all along and the fight Madara had versus Hashirama was to obtain his cells so Tobi could create Rinnegan through Madara. I believe they met up after Madara left the village and became avenger. Don't know if Madara was supposed to die but I think that Tobi was going to use him to synch with Gedo Mazo and ressurect Juubi.
Tobi can't be Madara? show us proof. Show us Tobi's face and identity card, certificate of birth and all the paperwork. Until you can do that... Tobi possibly is madara.
 
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