Madara counters Totsuka.

[Aya San]

i find it sad that you have to troll like op to make yourself feel good
ill entertain you tho.

i read op i said no cuz he based this whole thread on the fact that tosuka is charka based.

which databooks clearly says its not.


try harder trolls

How am I trolling? I simply quoted what you stated in a normal way, stop being ignorant

 

[Smd]

How am I trolling? I simply quoted what you stated in a normal way, stop being ignorant

telling me what i did and didnt do, knowing dam well you dont know, isnt trolling?

quoteing me, insulting me isnt trolling?

try harder trolls.

 

[Mitarashi]

try harder trolls.

You keep saying 'Trolls' 'Stop trolling'
You're clearly the only person here that is acting without any logic, making you the troll :l.

 

[Smd]

You keep saying 'Trolls' 'Stop trolling'
You're clearly the only person here that is acting without any logic, making you the troll :l.

now were making up things? thats my cue to leave


your thread is over.

you have no proof that tosuka is charka based, but keep asking others for proof.

Legit im logging not feeding anymore trolls

 

[Edo Odin]

Then why is it expelled with Susano'o when the user runs out of chakra?
Also, it has a sealing jutsu embedded in it, Preta absorbs all jutsu/chakra, and thus nullifies the sealing jutsu, not the blade itself.

Glad to see someone using logic though.

It is expelled along with the Susano'o because Itachi chose to wield it through his Susano'o. It appears alongside it, it disperses with it too, simple as that.

Possibly, but by the look of it, it seems that the effect takes place almost immediately. The reason Nagato didn't react to the incoming attack seems to have been that he simply

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[Due to the rubble from the destroyed Chibaku Tensei], and from what we've seen of the blade so far, the effect seems to be immediate. [Note that Nagato's face immediately started crumbling once he was pierced by the blade] Another thing that needs to be noted is that even if Madara, or anyone else uses the Gakido to defend himself against it [Which is, when you think about it, not too likely when you consider the fact that they have no info on the inner workings of the blade whatsoever], the fact still remains that he'd have a giant hole sticking through his chest, which is an injury which will take out almost any ninja.

In any case, I doubt that the Gakido will do much at all in a situation like this. Mainly due to the fact that even while it might possibly be able to prevent the Sealing Jutsu from taking place, the fact still remains that for most people, the Gakido wouldn't be the first choice of a counter attack for most people. Then of course, there's the fact that the effects seem to take place almost immediately. Another thing that should be noted is that even if it may help prevent the sealing, the blade will still leave an injury which will take out almost every Shinobi in the series.​

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[Mitarashi]

now were making up things? thats my cue to leave


your thread is over.

you have no proof that tosuka is charka based, but keep asking others for proof.

Legit im logging not feeding anymore trolls

I know I have no 'hard proof' that the blade is chakra based, but It sure points that way. Even if it isn't however, it is imbued with a SEALING JUTSU. SEALING JUTSU REQUIRE CHAKRA TO FUNCTION. THIS CHAKRA WILL BE ABSORBED AND THE SEALING JUTSU ON THE BLADE WILL BE NULLIFIED, making the totsuka blade a normal blade.
This is manga fact. Sealing jutsu require chakra and chakra is absorbed by preta.
Cya hick.

 

[BlacLord™]

1) The blade itself MAY be ethereal ( Why is it gone when user runs out of chakra? oh, it must be made of the users chakra.. ), but it has a sealing jutsu in it. This is chakra, this will be absorbed.

2) Deva path flies. :I pain has shown this on multiple occasions.

3) not all of them, he also had a crab and chameleon .

1)

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It's clear why it dissipates. 1) It's attached to his Susano'o, which uses his chakra, and therefore when he runs out of chakra, Susano'o and it's weapons go (Plus, when Itachi was fighting Sasuke, he was hardly going to use it on him.) 2) Like everything else, chakra is required to maintain it, but it's not composed of chakra, like the Kamui barrier.

2) Deva Path can jump high, the anime erroneously depicted him flying.

3) They would

 

[Arian]

Using "plot" as an argument is actually pretty stupid.... also pretty much all the stuff u said are asumptions. So far we have seen itachi sealing both nagato and orochimaru in like their strongest form...oh yea i forgot...thats "plot" right?
madara is extremely strong thats for certain. But so is itachi. Im not saying he would win... but i dont see how madara would survive totsuka once being hit...nagato couldn absorb it why would madara be able to? Or why would there be no "plot" if itachi fought madara? Again that plot argument got to be the dumbest thing ive heard all day..

 

[Mellanoma]

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[Mitarashi]

It is expelled along with the Susano'o because Itachi chose to wield it through his Susano'o. It appears alongside it, it disperses with it too, simple as that.

Possibly, but by the look of it, it seems that the effect takes place almost immediately. The reason Nagato didn't react to the incoming attack seems to have been that he simply

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[Due to the rubble from the destroyed Chibaku Tensei], and from what we've seen of the blade so far, the effect seems to be immediate. [Note that Nagato's face immediately started crumbling once he was pierced by the blade] Another thing that needs to be noted is that even if Madara, or anyone else uses the Gakido to defend himself against it [Which is, when you think about it, not too likely when you consider the fact that they have no info on the inner workings of the blade whatsoever], the fact still remains that he'd have a giant hole sticking through his chest, which is an injury which will take out almost any ninja.

In any case, I doubt that the Gakido will do much at all in a situation like this. Mainly due to the fact that even while it might possibly be able to prevent the Sealing Jutsu from taking place, the fact still remains that for most people, the Gakido wouldn't be the first choice of a counter attack for most people. Then of course, there's the fact that the effects seem to take place almost immediately. Another thing that should be noted is that even if it may help prevent the sealing, the blade will still leave an injury which will take out almost every Shinobi in the series.​

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I appreciate that you're responding with retorts, and not retarded statements like SMD is.

Now, the first thing you said is as much theory as mine is, so it's not worth going into that at all. we could both be wrong, I could be right or you could be.

Nagato had time enough to speak with Naruto, implying that whilst it takes effect immediately, it still takes time to achieve it's final goal, the sealing of the soul ( this is also shown when Orochimaru counters the Totsuka blade ).

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As you can see in this image, the 'Barrier' that the preta path erects is not any definite size, and could even be used outside of the Susano'o. doing this would not only stop the sealing jutsu ( As it also explains it will ), it would stop what's left of the blade from peircing Madara's body. even if this weren't the case, any argument regarding Madara's use of Rinnegan is to be seen as Edo madara, and thus the stab wound would have little to no effect on him.

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In this image we can see that the boiling oil made by Pa/ma/Jiraiya is clearly touching the Preta paths feet/legs. the only way he could avoid being melted/having his clothes burnt off is to believe that either the whole body is encased in preta path powers, or that having come into contact with the barrier, the jutsu is rendered useless in all forms.

As to why he didn't dodge, as I said, this was plot. Nagato easily has the sensory powers to evade/foresee this attack coming as is easily the best sensor in the manga, and could sense the Susano'o if not the Totsuka blade, the reason he did not was either because of plot, Kabuto not using his sensing ability ( He clearly didn't know of it since he was tracked down by Nagato, where-as Kabuto thought it was Itachi who did so ) or that he was intending to be sealed, as he was during the whole fight.

the only thing here that remotely counts is the fact that he COULD be peirced with what remains of the sword, and this would wound him, this is however un-effective as all Madara rinnegan arguments are EDO Madara.

 

[Aya San]

telling me what i did and didnt do, knowing dam well you dont know, isnt trolling?

quoteing me, insulting me isnt trolling?

try harder trolls.

There's a reason people don't like you

 

[Mitarashi]

1)

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It's clear why it dissipates. 1) It's attached to his Susano'o, which uses his chakra, and therefore when he runs out of chakra, Susano'o and it's weapons go (Plus, when Itachi was fighting Sasuke, he was hardly going to use it on him.) 2) Like everything else, chakra is required to maintain it, but it's not composed of chakra, like the Kamui barrier.

2) Deva Path can jump high, the anime erroneously depicted him flying.

3) They would

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Teach me to jump like that please.

your other arguments have been addressed in my last post ^

 

[Exaar]

and you dont get mad, children get mad.


Why didnt nagato use Preth path on tosuka?

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For one he wasn't incontrol of his own body maybe?, because you know he was an edo tensei under kabuto's controll?.

 

[Bronze]

Madara can counter overwanked totsuka easily.

-ST repels it
-Preta path absorbs susanoo therefore totsuka is gone
-PS tanks it
etc...

 

[Mitarashi]

There's a reason people don't like you

I love you Chiucho.

For one he wasn't incontrol of his own body maybe?, because you know he was an edo tensei under kabuto's controll?.

This. I went into slightly more detail in my previous posts about this. But this.

Madara can counter overwanked totsuka easily.

-ST repels it
-Preta path absorbs susanoo therefore totsuka is gone
-PS tanks it
etc...

This is for those who don't believe what you're saying ( PS Might tank it, but we don't know if it passes though, fact is we won't ever know either )

ST easily counters it though, as it'd push back Susano'o ( DON'T SAY IT WOULDN'T, DANZO'S BAKU WAS PULLING IT JUST FINE ).

 

[Mellanoma]

For one he wasn't incontrol of his own body maybe?, because you know he was an edo tensei under kabuto's controll?.

Nagato had a Preta Path barrier always up during there fight. when Kabuto had control of him

Madara can counter overwanked totsuka easily.

-ST repels it
-Preta path absorbs susanoo therefore totsuka is gone
-PS tanks it
etc...

I love you Chiucho.



This. I went into slightly more detail in my previous posts about this. But this.



This is for those who don't believe what you're saying ( PS Might tank it, but we don't know if it passes though, fact is we won't ever know either )

ST easily counters it though, as it'd push back Susano'o ( DON'T SAY IT WOULDN'T, DANZO'S BAKU WAS PULLING IT JUST FINE ).

PS tanking it is not plausible since the blade is actually not chakra. it's a spiritual entity

ST pushing it away is plausible since it is kinetic force hitting it however Madara has not shown these feats

FYI If you tell me Madara does not have to show feats then I will say Totsuka GG since then we will be agreeing on the premise of feats aren't needed

 

[Nattana]

Just do not let it pierce you and you'll be fine.
Susanoo does the job for example.

 

[Mitarashi]

Nagato had a Preta Path barrier always up during there fight. when Kabuto had control of him





PS tanking it is not plausible since the blade is actually not chakra. it's a spiritual entity

ST pushing it away is plausible since it is kinetic force hitting it however Madara has not shown these feats

FYI If you tell me Madara does not have to show feats then I will say Totsuka GG since then we will be agreeing on the premise of feats aren't needed

If the first part were true, Amaterasu wouldn't have burnt him the first time, sorry.

That doesn't matter. We don't know exactly what the Susano'o can and can't take, it doesn't allow water/fire/sand to enter through obvious openings, so it's probably more than just a 'Physical' barrier.

There is absolutely no reason to say that Madara doesn't have the paths abilities. the 2 people who IMPLANTED his eyes got them, he AWAKENED THEM. Also, his meteor jutsu is just a huge Bansho tensi.

Just do not let it pierce you and you'll be fine.
Susanoo does the job for example.

 

[Oblivionx]

rinnegan can't absorb totsuka but totsuka can't pierce madara's susano so itachi doesn't stand a chance against madara....!

 

[Exaar]

Nagato had a Preta Path barrier always up during there fight. when Kabuto had control of him

Thats a baseless assumption. You're only saying that to try and prove susanoo can't be absorbed.

God knows why kabuto would keep preta path active when he wasn't even using it.