Madara and Shodai

[sugaplaya]

I Don't think ppl realize how strong Madara and Harashirama are. Harashirma was know as the strongest and most gifted ninja(only ninja to be born with mokuton) in his time. All that keeping in mind Madara didn't unlock the reningan just before his death, hence everyone thinking reningan was just a myth up until nagato. Whether you believe the reningan was unlock because of senju blood or because of the regular progression the sharingan does when the user gets real emotional its up to you. He is still the only ninja aside from so6p in history to unlock the reningan.

All that aside, ppl say nagato > madara. are they nuts?

Naruto needs full help from the fox to be on Harishirama's level, a feat he could never accomplish with his own skill, don't matter how old he gets.

Sasuke on the other hand is being compared to Madara........which i'm not againts since sasuke has same chakra as him and potential to learn all his techs and more since he has lightning nature too. But getting the renningan ....no.

One thing more to be added...who thinks that Madara can summon the fox out of naruto now since the seal is broken and it was the only thing keeping the fox away from him?

 

[Waltz]

I Don't think ppl realize how strong Madara and Harashirama are. Harashirma was know as the strongest and most gifted ninja(only ninja to be born with mokuton) in his time. All that keeping in mind Madara didn't unlock the reningan just before his death, hence everyone thinking reningan was just a myth up until nagato. Whether you believe the reningan was unlock because of senju blood or because of the regular progression the sharingan does when the user gets real emotional its up to you. He is still the only ninja aside from so6p in history to unlock the reningan.

All that aside, ppl say nagato > madara. are they nuts?

Naruto needs full help from the fox to be on Harishirama's level, a feat he could never accomplish with his own skill, don't matter how old he gets.

Sasuke on the other hand is being compared to Madara........which i'm not againts since sasuke has same chakra as him and potential to learn all his techs and more since he has lightning nature too. But getting the renningan ....no.

One thing more to be added...who thinks that Madara can summon the fox out of naruto now since the seal is broken and it was the only thing keeping the fox away from him?

1st bold: thats a lie
2nd bold: he cant do that now, it's out of the question.

 

[-Jiraiya-]

I dont deny they are powerful.

 

[Ryuu..]

IMHO

Hashirama>Madara>Nagato

 

[JojocIaw]

Madara used a summoning technique to summon Kyuubi but he was already sealed in Naruto. Maybe now that he is free (in a way) I wouldn't call it farfetched for it to happen.

 

[OWanime]

1st bold: thats a lie
2nd bold: he cant do that now, it's out of the question.

thank you someone with sense. Madara even tried to summon the 9-tails and he couldn't because it's still inside naruto plus sasuke will be stronger than madara and so will naruto when they're in their prime; hashi is a beast xd

 

[sugaplaya]

thank you someone with sense. Madara even tried to summon the 9-tails and he couldn't because it's still inside naruto plus sasuke will be stronger than madara and so will naruto when they're in their prime; hashi is a beast xd

i said now that the seal is broken you dum!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Onion Soda]

I Don't think ppl realize how strong Madara and Harashirama are. Harashirma was know as the strongest and most gifted ninja(only ninja to be born with mokuton) in his time. All that keeping in mind Madara didn't unlock the reningan just before his death (WTF??), hence everyone thinking reningan was just a myth up until nagato. Whether you believe the reningan was unlock because of senju blood or because of the regular progression the sharingan does when the user gets real emotional its up to you (They're saiyans with fancy eyes). He is still the only (to be confirmed) ninja aside from so6p in history to unlock the reningan.

All that aside, ppl say nagato > madara. are they nuts? (they're most likely talking about rinnegan mastering).

Naruto needs full help from the fox (Kurama was an hidrance from the very beginning, he even altered Naruto's chacra control. his present is pure merite for him) to be on Harishirama's level, a feat he could never accomplish with his own skill, don't matter how old he gets.

Sasuke on the other hand is being compared to Madara........which i'm not againts since sasuke has same chakra as him and potential to learn all his techs and more since he has lightning nature too (where did you saw that). But getting the renningan ....no. agree

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[Ohhdang]

I Don't think ppl realize how strong Madara and Harashirama are. Harashirma was know as the strongest and most gifted ninja(only ninja to be born with mokuton) in his time. All that keeping in mind Madara didn't unlock the reningan just before his death, hence everyone thinking reningan was just a myth up until nagato. Whether you believe the reningan was unlock because of senju blood or because of the regular progression the sharingan does when the user gets real emotional its up to you. He is still the only ninja aside from so6p in history to unlock the reningan.

All that aside, ppl say nagato > madara. are they nuts?

Naruto needs full help from the fox to be on Harishirama's level, a feat he could never accomplish with his own skill, don't matter how old he gets.

Sasuke on the other hand is being compared to Madara........which i'm not againts since sasuke has same chakra as him and potential to learn all his techs and more since he has lightning nature too. But getting the renningan ....no.

One thing more to be added...who thinks that Madara can summon the fox out of naruto now since the seal is broken and it was the only thing keeping the fox away from him?

Silly, just silly. For you to sit up there and actually think Naruto won't be on his level is just silly. Naruto is 16 and i'm sure we all can agree on the fact that he'd give Madara a good fight. We don't know how much stronger Hashirama was than Madara but Naruto will be stronger than Harashirama at that age. Basically you are saying that without mokuton, Harashirama wouldn't be as strong as he was (Of course) which is saying the exact same thing as Naruto and his nine-tails. When Naruto fully masters his nine-tails, he'll be just as skilled with it as Harashirama was with his mokuton. Now tell me, which power would be greater?

 

[Kyrik]

People don't realize hashirama was the strongest ninja next to the Sage of the six paths, people think that since the third was called the god of the shinobi that he is stonger but, if I called a mouse the god of all lions, could a mouse defeat a lion? Sasuke will not get the rinnegan, and if he does big whoop, naruto can still poon him with epic uberness.

Nagatos rinnegan mastery was the best next to the sage of the six paths, because nagato had it his whole life, although it was dormant when it wasn't scene.

To the guy who asked where he saw that madara had lightning nature, the fact that madara has the rinnegan gives him all 5 natures.

And since kurama is inside naruto, it cannot be summoned, the seal isn't broken, naruto just opened it so he and kurama could share their power, if the seal broke Kurama would be released.

 

[Onion Soda]

Silly, just silly. For you to sit up there and actually think Naruto won't be on his level is just silly. Naruto is 16 and i'm sure we all can agree on the fact that he'd give Madara a good fight. We don't know how much stronger Hashirama was than Madara but Naruto will be stronger than Harashirama at that age. Basically you are saying that without mokuton, Harashirama wouldn't be as strong as he was (Of course) which is saying the exact same thing as Naruto and his nine-tails. When Naruto fully masters his nine-tails, he'll be just as skilled with it as Harashirama was with his mokuton. Now tell me, which power would be greater?

ALso, the fox never really helped njaruto before the war, it just take any opportunity to get out (like in Haku, Pain and Orochimaru fight) [remember that each time Naruto used his power was also progresively being controlled] or in order to survive.
So he never helped Naruto at that time, it was just an hidrance, just like Gaara's Ichibi.
High chackra reserves and a "healing factor" (like wolvy xd) are just the other side of the coin, one wich would bring you dead and loneliness.
So... No, kyuubi isn't a gift unless you overcome it, and that isn't precisely easy.

 

[Onion Soda]

People don't realize hashirama was the strongest ninja next to the Sage of the six paths, people think that since the third was called the god of the shinobi that he is stonger but, if I called a mouse the god of all lions, could a mouse defeat a lion? Sasuke will not get the rinnegan, and if he does big whoop, naruto can still poon him with epic uberness.

Nagatos rinnegan mastery was the best next to the sage of the six paths, because nagato had it his whole life, although it was dormant when it wasn't scene.

To the guy who asked where he saw that madara had lightning nature, the fact that madara has the rinnegan gives him all 5 natures.

And since kurama is inside naruto, it cannot be summoned, the seal isn't broken, naruto just opened it so he and kurama could share their power, if the seal broke Kurama would be released.

HAHA forgotted that. but it isn't his narutal affinity like in Sasuke's case. I could say the same about Itachi, since he had katon and suiton just loike madara (see the fail in that logic)

 

[Ohhdang]

ALso, the fox never really helped njaruto before the war, it just take any opportunity to get out (like in Haku, Pain and Orochimaru fight) [remember that each time Naruto used his power was also progresively being controlled] or in order to survive.
So he never helped Naruto at that time, it was just an hidrance, just like Gaara's Ichibi.
High chackra reserves and a "healing factor" (like wolvy xd) are just the other side of the coin, one wich would bring you dead and loneliness.
So... No, kyuubi isn't a gift unless you overcome it, and that isn't precisely easy.

Yep I agree with everything you are saying man, but we can't forget that Naruto pretty much has the full cooperation of the fox. Especially with what this last manga has showed us. We know that the beasts have been mistreated for a long ass time (Since the sage has died pretty much) which has maybe caused all the hate in them, but if they believe that Naruto is the one who the sage was talking about (The only person that the beasts loved and respect; Which we can pretty much for sure guarantee) then there is no reason to believe other than the fact that they will show Naruto respect, especially the the nine-tails. This has never been done before. So in a sense, we can completely view as anything the nine-tails has thought of Naruto is irrelevant since this last manga. We don't even know how powerful the Kyuubi is... he could be just as powerful on the young sons' side of the two brothers (Not to mention the chakra the tailed beasts gave naruto) ... as the Rinnegan is on the older brother (Speaking of the sage's sons of course.) Either way, it's almost impossible for Naruto not to become the strongest senju descendant that there ever was... especially if the Bijuus all acknowledged him (Which hasn't ever been done before other than Bee.. and his eight-tails... and we know the power that can come from a Bijuu acknowledging someone...)

 

[Uchihas with Big Guns]

1st bold: thats a lie
2nd bold: he cant do that now, it's out of the question.

1st they did have similar chakra which was more sinister than kurama's chakra...

Next since the seal has been opened itsa possibility if naruto doesn't have some new seal preventing the summoning then no(has not been shown) if not all he has to do is what tobi did.

Side note sasuke's chakra is far more sinister now so more than likely in that, regard he's surpassed madara imo his chakra is right under or maybe is the jyubi chakras

Hash & mad can still beat all except sarutobi & hanzo in prime & with faith & not rusty imo

Indeed people don't understand the strongest in an era that included sasuke, muu, gold & silver bros, izuna, nidame mizukage, and all around war

 

[Viewtiful]

@Above The OP said that Sasuke has the "same chakra" as Madara. Kurama just said that its foulness "reminded him of Uchiha Madara's from the Elder days..."

Last time I checked Naruto defeated the Six Paths of Pain on his own power.

 

[Wind..]

IMHO

Hashirama>Madara>Nagato

Totally Agreed