Madara and Second Hokage

[muutobirama3rdraikagemizu]

Yes he probably knows his S/T

 

[Shouten]

But think about it Tobirama wanna it to became Hokage so badly that he would kill his own brother and how do we know Tobirama was killed think about it those guys were fodders and he was hold the title of Hokage at that time that's no something you just become in a day for all we know he might be still alive and living in the shadows just taking his time.

Then if he badly wants to become Hokage, why did he give up on it to let fodders live? He even left the Kage title to one of the said fodders.

And whoever said that Tobirama just became Hokage in an instant? We are lacking in facts about Tobirama's life and his kageship reign. Everything said without basis is disregarded and therefore fallacious. All we can come up about this topic are just plain wild guesses and theories. Nothing more than that.

 

[Sasuke Ninja Way Reborn]

Then if he badly wants to become Hokage, why did he give up on it to let fodders live? He even left the Kage title to one of the said fodders.

And whoever said that Tobirama just became Hokage in an instant? We are lacking in facts about Tobirama's life and his kageship reign. Everything said without basis is disregarded and therefore fallacious. All we can come up about this topic are just plain wild guesses and theories. Nothing more than that.

Just like Madara fool the world by making them think he was dead Tobirama just did the same thing as Madara, but how hell does someone who create a Jutus as strong as the Edo Tensei gets liked so easily specially by unknown fodders.

 

[Shouten]

Just like Madara fool the world by making them think he was dead Tobirama just did the same thing as Madara, but how hell does someone who create a Jutus as strong as the Edo Tensei gets liked so easily specially by unknown fodders.

Madara was dead. He was in the Pure World, that is why he got resurrected by the Impure World Ressurection. There was a plan to revive him but he actually died and got resurrected back by Kabuto as an Edo.

The quoted bold clause in your post doesn't make any sense at all. Of course he is going to get liked easily. He is the Kage and a very strong shinobi. He was the team leader of the fodders,according to what you have said. If I misinterpreted the clause in bold in your post kindly restate it clearly.

 

[Sasuke Ninja Way Reborn]

Madara was dead. He was in the Pure World, that is why he got resurrected by the Impure World Ressurection. There was a plan to revive him but he actually died and got resurrected back by Kabuto as an Edo.

The quoted bold clause in your post doesn't make any sense at all. Of course he is going to get liked easily. He is the Kage and a very strong shinobi. He was the team leader of the fodders. If I misinterpreted the clause in bold in your post kindly restate it clearly.

First Madara died 10 years before the Naruto series being and you say my posts doesn't make any sense while i displayed proof after proof while you on the other hasn't shown me any proof except your point of view.

 

[Shouten]

First Madara died 10 years before the Naruto series being and you say my posts doesn't make any sense while i displayed proof after proof while you on the other hasn't shown me any proof except your point of view.

Who the hell is first Madara? There is only one Madara Uchiha. The one in Edo form fighting the Kages. He is in Edo so obviously he died.

No you didn't. You have the burden of proof about Tobirama hating on Hashirama because the former have a huge desire to become Kage and Tobirama is now just lying in the shadows. Show some facts to prove that.

Here are my facts to disprove your statement. I have implied these in my previous posts and I will state it clearer.

First off, we not know much about Tobirama's life and his kageship reign because the Manga showed little to no details about Tobirama.

You said that Tobirama had the huge desire to be the Kage and conspired with Madara to kill Hashirama so Tobirama can be Kage, but why did he left the Kageship to Hiruzen Sarutobi when they are bound to face the Ginkaku force. If Tobirama loved being Kage so much, he would not have left it to Hiruzen and he would not have sacrificed himself, but he did sacrifice himself to let his team members survive, including Hiruzen.

Another fact, how can Tobirama lie in the shadows waiting to strike if he was resurrected by Orochimaru through Impure World Resurrection? That would clearly imply that he was in the Pure World and nowhere near NV. His soul was sealed by Hiruzen in the Reaper's belly. It is indicative that he died in the hands of the Kinkaku force, so there is no way that he can lie beneath the shadows and wait for a moment to strike.

All of these facts disprove your argument. You lose.

 

[Sasuke Ninja Way Reborn]

Who the hell is first Madara? There is only one Madara Uchiha. The one in Edo form fighting the Kages. He is in Edo so obviously he died.

No you didn't. You have the burden of proof about Tobirama hating on Hashirama because the former have a huge desire to become Kage and Tobirama is now just lying in the shadows. Show some facts to prove that.

Here are my facts to disprove your statement. I have implied these in my previous posts and I will state it clearer.

First off, we not know much about Tobirama's life and his kageship reign because the Manga showed little to no details about Tobirama.

You said that Tobirama had the huge desire to be the Kage and conspired with Madara to kill Hashirama so Tobirama can be Kage, but why did he left the Kageship to Hiruzen Sarutobi when they are bound to face the Ginkaku force. If Tobirama loved being Kage so much, he would not have left it to Hiruzen and he would not have sacrificed himself, but he did sacrifice himself to let his team members survive, including Hiruzen.

Another fact, how can Tobirama lie in the shadows waiting to strike if he was resurrected by Orochimaru through Impure World Resurrection. That would clearly imply that he was in the Pure World and nowhere near NV. His soul was sealed by Hiruzen in the Reaper's belly. It is indicative that he died in the hands of the Kinkaku force, so there is no way that he can lie beneath the shadows and wait for a moment to strike.

All of these facts disprove your argument. You lose.

Oh, you misunderstood what i meant by first and well i showed you my proof and you just displayed your proof which makes us equal, but don't ever think you win yet.

 

[Shouten]

Oh, you misunderstood what i meant by first.

Of all the things I said, you rebutted only about that? That is not even the main idea of my post. Still, your theory has been disproved. Even if I misinterpreted about "First", that would not change the idea of my argument.

 

[SilverSlick]

Oh, you misunderstood what i meant by first and well i showed you my proof and you just displayed your proof which makes us equal, but don't ever think you win yet.

Bro, you're making little to no sense. Why the hell would Tobirama in any way hate Hashi? That's not his personality. He most likely developed Edo Tensei to help in the 1st Shinobi world war.

 

[Sasuke Ninja Way Reborn]

Of all the things I said, you rebutted only about that? That is not even the main idea of my post. Still, your theory has been disproved. Even if I misinterpreted about "First", that would not change the idea of my argument.

You talk as if you were a smart ass, but at the end of the day you have no proof as to what you say just admit you lost.

 

[Shouten]

You talk as if you were a smart ass, but at the end of the day you have no proof as to what you say just admit you lost.

What the hell? Didn't you read my lengthy post? All of the facts are there. All of my points has basis. It is not being a smart-ass if my points are backed up with facts.

You resulted to an argumentum ad hominem. You can't keep up with a debate.

 

[Sasuke Ninja Way Reborn]

Bro, you're making little to no sense. Why the hell would Tobirama in any way hate Hashi? That's not his personality. He most likely developed Edo Tensei to help in the 1st Shinobi world war.

Then please explain to me how Madara was able to release himself from the Edo Tensei?

 

[Shouten]

Then please explain to me how Madara was able to release himself from the Edo Tensei?

He was able to release himself from Edo tensei because he knew the seals of it. He said it himself that it is the only way to regain control of an Edo body.

 

[Sasuke Ninja Way Reborn]

What the hell? Didn't you read my lengthy post? All of the facts are there. All of my points has basis. It is not being a smart-ass if my points are backed up with facts.

You resulted to an argumentum ad hominem. You can't keep up with a debate.

Okay you win if you tell me how Madara was able to release himself from the Edo Tensei?

 

[SilverSlick]

Then please explain to me how Madara was able to release himself from the Edo Tensei?

There are many ways really. How exactly do you think Orochimaru learned Edo Tensei?

 

[Shouten]

Okay you win if you tell me how Madara was able to release himself from the Edo Tensei?

The answer to that relies on the background between Tobirama and Madara and probably, also Hashirama. We have little to no facts about that. All we can come up are just theories and wild guesses.

 

[Thundercles]

Hmm, good observation. I like the possibilities. But, it is prob just a continuity error.
+rep anyways for the sharp eye.

 

[nomadenbug]

I suspect, maybe kishimoto is behind all this, he told madara about edo tensei. just maybe.

 

[Sasuke Ninja Way Reborn]

There are many ways really. How exactly do you think Orochimaru learned Edo Tensei?

Well Orochimaru got his head on the scrolls with the forbidden jutsus in Konoha.

 

[Higekage]

Tobirama's edo tensei wasn't as powerful as Kabuto's. I say it's likely the bodies used in Tobirama's edo tensei weren't self-aware but lifeless puppets. And it must have been a technique designed only for war and thus it's likely the second wanted it to be forbidden unless used in absolute emergencies aka war