Madara and Sasuke fan conflict.

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Kaguya IS the jubi. The real power was in the fruit she ate.

Obviously, that's why you gotta blame her for the Juubi/ Rikudou power ups.

 

[bowflex]

2 Rinnegan JJ Madara sure can beat Adult Sasuke but its not that easy. PIS aside he have advantage. Sasuke dimensional travel is useless here bcus its not work like Yomotsu hirasaka or Amenominaka. Why JJ Madara need to follow Sasuke into other dimension and if he know Sasuke will sacrifice large amount of his chakra just to travel, let Sasuke come to him, even Sasuke knew open up a portal will not help him in battle, it just consume his chakra and will effect his reserve for battle use. And BFR not mean you superior to JJ Madara.

And what left now for Sasuke is Amenotejikara and without both seal, its futile. Madara can and will outlast Sasuke chakra reserve before he kill the Indra successor.

This, sasuke doesnt have a method of killing madara by himself, and lets not forget madara has the dojutsu to travel dimension as well to absorb chakra from mugen tsukuyomi victims.

Lets make a chart..

Both have 6 paths rinnegan, but madara has a boost to them as shown with his CT due to being JJ

Sasuke has ameno

Madara has limbo

Both have rikudou PS

Madara has RSM(rikudou senjutsu/10 tails coffin seal)

Madara has the bijuus(juubi)

both have rikudou chakra but sasuke only has half of what madara has

Madara has instant regeneration/immortality

Madara has rinne sharingan

So its clear who wins but sasuke wankers are entitled to their opinion.

 

[Angelic.]

dont know dont care

 

[Nick01]

Madara negs low diff.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Platitudes and plot cards = disaster

 

[bowflex]

dont know dont care

Go watch obito flashbacks.

 

[Angelic.]

Go watch obito flashbacks.

i will

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

No matter what Sasuke fans say Madara wins.

Infinite chakra >>> Sasuke
Immortality >>>> Sasuke

No seals means no win, simple as that. Otherwise you're a straight up fanboi.
Before anyone says "Sasuke can throw him into another dimension so GG" Madara uses Limbo switch/ substitution before he gets thrown and he can do that an unlimited times considering Limbos goes back to the original Madara before a period of time while Sasuke can't, he would get drained after using it 3 times, he's not that stupid.

I usually don't bother getting into these pointless arguments, but you used the seals argument.


Madara does not posess Infinite Chakra, not even Kaguya has Infinite chakra. Nor is Madara immortal. Immortal beings cannot die under any circumstances, and madara died. If he is damaged enough he, like Kaguya, can loose control of the Bijuu and basically die.

Regarding the Seals argument. That is utter nonsense. Juubi Jinchuriki's can be defeated if the Bijuu are extracted. Sasuke possesses an affinity for Bijuu Chakra, as he was able to use their powers at VOTE2. If Sasuke can extract the Bijuu, he wins. Whether he can or not, who knows? But if Obito could do it while half dead and controlled by Black Zetsu, i see no reason Sasuke cant.

And finaly, Limbo Switch does not exist, but you get points for at least recognising that it's a basic Substitution Jutsu madara can use to avoid attacks at the expense of a Limbo Clone.

 

[Amazeballs]

I can see Adult Sasuke winning just because the dimensional travel/ameno. And DR Juubidara has 0 feats other than getting turned into a woman by a black blob

You mean besides 4 shadows, a barrage of meteors, and effortlessly completing the IT? The only reason he has "no feats" is because we're comparing him to his inability to wipe out Team 7, coupled with the infamous BZ backstabbing. However, DR Juubidara otherwise solo'd the entire Narutoverse in seconds. If Sasuke hadn't received his Rinnegan just minutes beforehand, the world would have ended.

I usually don't bother getting into these pointless arguments, but you used the seals argument.


Madara does not posess Infinite Chakra, not even Kaguya has Infinite chakra. Nor is Madara immortal. Immortal beings cannot die under any circumstances, and madara died. If he is damaged enough he, like Kaguya, can loose control of the Bijuu and basically die.

Regarding the Seals argument. That is utter nonsense. Juubi Jinchuriki's can be defeated if the Bijuu are extracted. Sasuke possesses an affinity for Bijuu Chakra, as he was able to use their powers at VOTE2. If Sasuke can extract the Bijuu, he wins. Whether he can or not, who knows? But if Obito could do it while half dead and controlled by Black Zetsu, i see no reason Sasuke cant.

And finaly, Limbo Switch does not exist, but you get points for at least recognising that it's a basic Substitution Jutsu madara can use to avoid attacks at the expense of a Limbo Clone.

I'm sorry, but Sasuke does NOT possess "an affinity for Bijuu Chakra"... his use of their chakra in VotE2 was very obviously due to him having them all under his control via Genjutsu. Good luck putting them under Genjutsu when they're combined within Madara (hint: It's not possible).

The rest of your post is fine.

 

[Cyber]

You mean besides 4 shadows, a barrage of meteors, and effortlessly completing the IT? The only reason he has "no feats" is because we're comparing him to his inability to wipe out Team 7, coupled with the infamous BZ backstabbing. However, DR Juubidara otherwise solo'd the entire Narutoverse in seconds. If Sasuke hadn't received his Rinnegan just minutes beforehand, the world would have ended.

Sasuke and Naruto easily dealt with Limbo and Meteors. IT is a pretty decent feat but still, his feats pale in comparison to Naruto and Sasuke who as adults, fought someone that even Kaguya feared.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

It's kind of like the minato fans vs tobirama they were gong at it a while back it was funny
Also what's with this feats bs that's all I see is feats

They act like juubi Madara never took on gaara edo minato ms kakashi and 8 gates Gai let's see sasuke do that

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

I usually don't bother getting into these pointless arguments, but you used the seals argument.

Yeh, and how many times have we debated about this?

Madara does not posess Infinite Chakra, not even Kaguya has Infinite chakra. Nor is Madara immortal. Immortal beings cannot die under any circumstances, and madara died. If he is damaged enough he, like Kaguya, can loose control of the Bijuu and basically die.

@Underlined You're obviously using the term "immortality" to a different extent. By your logic Kaguya is not immortal because she can get defeated the same way (Seals and Bijuu extractions) but most folks on NB already acknowledge she is immortal and same with Madara, Even Sasuke himself said "If one of us dies, it's over" Point is Madara and Kaguya has an "immortal body" or for you sake lets call it an "indestructible body" that can only be sealed or extracted (Bijuus) but guess what? Sasuke has none of those things.

If anything he possess near Infinite chakra excluding the ability to use Shin: Jukai Kōtan to absorb more chakra but it's not even needed considering Madara's reserve >>>> Sasuke's by a large margin.

@Bold if they get damaged they regen, Kaguya didn't lose control because she was damage, the Bijuu's went haywire because of the Bijuu's RasenShuriken Naruto used on her and Sasuke does not have Bijuu chakra believe it or not (lol wtf).

Regarding the Seals argument. That is utter nonsense. Juubi Jinchuriki's can be defeated if the Bijuu are extracted. Sasuke possesses an affinity for Bijuu Chakra, as he was able to use their powers at VOTE2. If Sasuke can extract the Bijuu, he wins. Whether he can or not, who knows? But if Obito could do it while half dead and controlled by Black Zetsu, i see no reason Sasuke cant.

@Bold that...is bloody nonsense and you know it. Don't give Sasuke Obito's feats since obviously Obito still had some chakra of the Juubi from being a JJ proven by the ability to still make the Sun Staff.

And finaly, Limbo Switch does not exist, but you get points for at least recognising that it's a basic Substitution Jutsu madara can use to avoid attacks at the expense of a Limbo Clone.

Limbo switch does exist, if normal substitution can be done using reverse summon what is stopping from Madara doing the same? considering Limbo are exact copy with Madara's chakra from a different realm. Even "if" he can't, normal clones would be enough to counter Dimension negging. Sasuke can't use portals more than 3-4 times before weakening so he won't take that chance.

 

[Amazeballs]

Sasuke and Naruto easily dealt with Limbo and Meteors. IT is a pretty decent feat but still, his feats pale in comparison to Naruto and Sasuke who as adults, fought someone that even Kaguya feared.

Eh, but by feats, Momoshiki is a fodder villain. Naruto and Sasuke fought him at BSM/EMS level, and still didn't seem like they were going all-out. Momoshiki seems far less formidable than Kaguya. She was probably just afraid that he'd steal her precious Chakra fruit and become a threat later on.

 

[Jokule67]

Sasuke and Naruto easily dealt with Limbo and Meteors. IT is a pretty decent feat but still, his feats pale in comparison to Naruto and Sasuke who as adults, fought someone that even Kaguya feared.

Correction they BOTH easily dealt with One limbo. Also they never killed one either. His feats do not pale as all they used in the movie was taijutsu which Madara excels in also and has already shown feats in when he was normal human being.

 

[Jokule67]

Eh, but by feats, Momoshiki is a fodder villain. Naruto and Sasuke fought him at BSM/EMS level, and still didn't seem like they were going all-out. Momoshiki seems far less formidable than Kaguya. She was probably just afraid that he'd steal her precious Chakra fruit and become a threat later on.

Yea Only thing strong about momo was his op absorbing

 

[Jokule67]

I usually don't bother getting into these pointless arguments, but you used the seals argument.


Madara does not posess Infinite Chakra, not even Kaguya has Infinite chakra. Nor is Madara immortal. Immortal beings cannot die under any circumstances, and madara died. If he is damaged enough he, like Kaguya, can loose control of the Bijuu and basically die.

Regarding the Seals argument. That is utter nonsense. Juubi Jinchuriki's can be defeated if the Bijuu are extracted. Sasuke possesses an affinity for Bijuu Chakra, as he was able to use their powers at VOTE2. If Sasuke can extract the Bijuu, he wins. Whether he can or not, who knows? But if Obito could do it while half dead and controlled by Black Zetsu, i see no reason Sasuke cant.

And finaly, Limbo Switch does not exist, but you get points for at least recognising that it's a basic Substitution Jutsu madara can use to avoid attacks at the expense of a Limbo Clone.

Only Naruto has affinity for bijuu chakra. Dont spread lies mate.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Only Naruto has affinity for bijuu chakra. Dont spread lies mate.

He has a personal grudge against Madara, I'm not even kidding.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Yeh, and how many times have we debated about this?

Four-thousand three hundred and ninety-two at my last calculation.

@Underlined You're obviously using the term "immortality" to a different extent. By your logic Kaguya is not immortal because she can get defeated the same way (Seals and Bijuu extractions) but most folks on NB already acknowledge she is immortal and same with Madara, Even Sasuke himself said "If one of us dies, it's over" Point is Madara and Kaguya has an "immortal body" or for you sake lets call it an "indestructible body" that can only be sealed or extracted (Bijuus) but guess what? Sasuke has none of those things.

Yes, Kaguya is not immortal. She, and Madara, have extremely high rates of healing and massive egos. That is different to Immortal. The idiots here use "Immortal" as if it means "cannot be defeated". Even if the majority disagrees with me, that just means the majority is wrong. Because they can be beaten without Seals.

If anything he possess near Infinite chakra excluding the ability to use Shin: Jukai Kōtan to absorb more chakra but it's not even needed considering Madara's reserve >>>> Sasuke's by a large margin.

Shin Jukai Koutan is not an ability that allows Madara to absorb Chakra. Obviously you are talking about Infinite Tsukiyomi here, but Madara's body could not handle that much chakra, hence why he turned into a balloon.

@Bold if they get damaged they regen, Kaguya didn't lose control because she was damage, the Bijuu's went haywire because of the Bijuu's RasenShuriken Naruto used on her and Sasuke does not have Bijuu chakra believe it or not (lol wtf).

Good point.

@Bold that...is bloody nonsense and you know it. Don't give Sasuke Obito's feats since obviously Obito still had some chakra of the Juubi from being a JJ proven by the ability to still make the Sun Staff.

Like i said, we don't actually know if Sasuke could do it. I'm saying it's not impossible, he clearly posesses the ability to control Bijuu chakra.

Limbo switch does exist, if normal substitution can be done using reverse summon what is stopping from Madara doing the same? considering Limbo are exact copy with Madara's chakra from a different realm. Even "if" he can't, normal clones would be enough to counter Dimension negging. Sasuke can't use portals more than 3-4 times before weakening so he won't take that chance.

Haha, no it doesn't. The aleged "Limbo Swap" panel has Madara dashing away at the top. It's a simple Substitution jutsu, nothing more. He cannot instantly trade places with a Limbo clone if it is already active. And i never used the Dimension negging argument on the grounds that it's stupid, and relies on Madara walking into an obvious portal.

He has a personal grudge against Madara, I'm not even kidding.

Against his fanbase for the line you are about to use, and anyone who uses the seals argument, either for Madara or Kaguya.

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

Four-thousand three hundred and ninety-two at my last calculation.

Great, you even keep tabs for your personal grudge against 3 dudes that like Madara.

Yes, Kaguya is not immortal. She, and Madara, have extremely high rates of healing and massive egos. That is different to Immortal. The idiots here use "Immortal" as if it means "cannot be defeated". Even if the majority disagrees with me, that just means the majority is wrong. Because they can be beaten without Seals.

@Bold based on nothing, that's a conjecture at best. While the burden of proof is on you.

They have an "immortal/industructable body" until they are sealed/ Bijuu extracted. How is it so hard for you to grasp, it's pretty sad.

Shin Jukai Koutan is not an ability that allows Madara to absorb Chakra. Obviously you are talking about Infinite Tsukiyomi here, but Madara's body could not handle that much chakra, hence why he turned into a balloon.

He turned into a balloon because Kaguya absorbed all the chakra at once obviously while Madara can absorb to any extent he wanted. He absorbed Shinju so there's no reason he can't absorb his own Shin Jukai Koutan roots that have collected chakra.

Good point.

Like i said, we don't actually know if Sasuke could do it. I'm saying it's not impossible, he clearly posesses the ability to control Bijuu chakra.

Lol. The ability to control Bijuu chakra =/= Having Bijuu chakra, that much is obvious.

Haha, no it doesn't. The aleged "Limbo Swap" panel has Madara dashing away at the top. It's a simple Substitution jutsu, nothing more. He cannot instantly trade places with a Limbo clone if it is already active. And i never used the Dimension negging argument on the grounds that it's stupid, and relies on Madara walking into an obvious portal.

@bold because his Limbo was on cool down inside him but this argument has no definite answer and is base on assumptions so let's stop this.

Against his fanbase for the line you are about to use, and anyone who uses the seals argument, either for Madara or Kaguya.

Only became a fan of Madara since the last few months but only did I start debating about him this month so I have no clue what you're spouting and for the other 2 Madara fans UZUMAKIMADARA and Bowflex they are not as bad as you make them compared to the other fanbase. From all the comments I seen You have a deep hate for Madara as a character, that much is obvious. Refusing to believe Madara and Kaguya are not "immortal" and can be defeated from pure damage makes it pretty obvious you have something against them and it's laughable.

 

[Jokule67]

Sasuke cant beat Madara on his own. I dont know why people keep hyping him up past the very ninja kishi didnt even know how to kill. He had to be negged from the inside out by kaguya lol. Madara was simply too strong. Especially when he got the third eye. And pleas stop bringing up the boruto movie Momo and Kinshiki sont come close to Madara. Sasuke and Naruto could take them on their own.