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Kaguya IS the jubi. The real power was in the fruit she ate.
Obviously, that's why you gotta blame her for the Juubi/ Rikudou power ups.
Kaguya IS the jubi. The real power was in the fruit she ate.
2 Rinnegan JJ Madara sure can beat Adult Sasuke but its not that easy. PIS aside he have advantage. Sasuke dimensional travel is useless here bcus its not work like Yomotsu hirasaka or Amenominaka. Why JJ Madara need to follow Sasuke into other dimension and if he know Sasuke will sacrifice large amount of his chakra just to travel, let Sasuke come to him, even Sasuke knew open up a portal will not help him in battle, it just consume his chakra and will effect his reserve for battle use. And BFR not mean you superior to JJ Madara.
And what left now for Sasuke is Amenotejikara and without both seal, its futile. Madara can and will outlast Sasuke chakra reserve before he kill the Indra successor.
dont know dont care
No matter what Sasuke fans say Madara wins.
Infinite chakra >>> Sasuke
Immortality >>>> Sasuke
No seals means no win, simple as that. Otherwise you're a straight up fanboi.
Before anyone says "Sasuke can throw him into another dimension so GG" Madara uses Limbo switch/ substitution before he gets thrown and he can do that an unlimited times considering Limbos goes back to the original Madara before a period of time while Sasuke can't, he would get drained after using it 3 times, he's not that stupid.
I can see Adult Sasuke winning just because the dimensional travel/ameno. And DR Juubidara has 0 feats other than getting turned into a woman by a black blob
I usually don't bother getting into these pointless arguments, but you used the seals argument.
Madara does not posess Infinite Chakra, not even Kaguya has Infinite chakra. Nor is Madara immortal. Immortal beings cannot die under any circumstances, and madara died. If he is damaged enough he, like Kaguya, can loose control of the Bijuu and basically die.
Regarding the Seals argument. That is utter nonsense. Juubi Jinchuriki's can be defeated if the Bijuu are extracted. Sasuke possesses an affinity for Bijuu Chakra, as he was able to use their powers at VOTE2. If Sasuke can extract the Bijuu, he wins. Whether he can or not, who knows? But if Obito could do it while half dead and controlled by Black Zetsu, i see no reason Sasuke cant.
And finaly, Limbo Switch does not exist, but you get points for at least recognising that it's a basic Substitution Jutsu madara can use to avoid attacks at the expense of a Limbo Clone.
You mean besides 4 shadows, a barrage of meteors, and effortlessly completing the IT? The only reason he has "no feats" is because we're comparing him to his inability to wipe out Team 7, coupled with the infamous BZ backstabbing. However, DR Juubidara otherwise solo'd the entire Narutoverse in seconds. If Sasuke hadn't received his Rinnegan just minutes beforehand, the world would have ended.
I usually don't bother getting into these pointless arguments, but you used the seals argument.
Madara does not posess Infinite Chakra, not even Kaguya has Infinite chakra. Nor is Madara immortal. Immortal beings cannot die under any circumstances, and madara died. If he is damaged enough he, like Kaguya, can loose control of the Bijuu and basically die.
Regarding the Seals argument. That is utter nonsense. Juubi Jinchuriki's can be defeated if the Bijuu are extracted. Sasuke possesses an affinity for Bijuu Chakra, as he was able to use their powers at VOTE2. If Sasuke can extract the Bijuu, he wins. Whether he can or not, who knows? But if Obito could do it while half dead and controlled by Black Zetsu, i see no reason Sasuke cant.
And finaly, Limbo Switch does not exist, but you get points for at least recognising that it's a basic Substitution Jutsu madara can use to avoid attacks at the expense of a Limbo Clone.
Eh, but by feats, Momoshiki is a fodder villain. Naruto and Sasuke fought him at BSM/EMS level, and still didn't seem like they were going all-out. Momoshiki seems far less formidable than Kaguya. She was probably just afraid that he'd steal her precious Chakra fruit and become a threat later on.Sasuke and Naruto easily dealt with Limbo and Meteors. IT is a pretty decent feat but still, his feats pale in comparison to Naruto and Sasuke who as adults, fought someone that even Kaguya feared.
Sasuke and Naruto easily dealt with Limbo and Meteors. IT is a pretty decent feat but still, his feats pale in comparison to Naruto and Sasuke who as adults, fought someone that even Kaguya feared.
Eh, but by feats, Momoshiki is a fodder villain. Naruto and Sasuke fought him at BSM/EMS level, and still didn't seem like they were going all-out. Momoshiki seems far less formidable than Kaguya. She was probably just afraid that he'd steal her precious Chakra fruit and become a threat later on.
I usually don't bother getting into these pointless arguments, but you used the seals argument.
Madara does not posess Infinite Chakra, not even Kaguya has Infinite chakra. Nor is Madara immortal. Immortal beings cannot die under any circumstances, and madara died. If he is damaged enough he, like Kaguya, can loose control of the Bijuu and basically die.
Regarding the Seals argument. That is utter nonsense. Juubi Jinchuriki's can be defeated if the Bijuu are extracted. Sasuke possesses an affinity for Bijuu Chakra, as he was able to use their powers at VOTE2. If Sasuke can extract the Bijuu, he wins. Whether he can or not, who knows? But if Obito could do it while half dead and controlled by Black Zetsu, i see no reason Sasuke cant.
And finaly, Limbo Switch does not exist, but you get points for at least recognising that it's a basic Substitution Jutsu madara can use to avoid attacks at the expense of a Limbo Clone.
Only Naruto has affinity for bijuu chakra. Dont spread lies mate.
Yeh, and how many times have we debated about this?
@Underlined You're obviously using the term "immortality" to a different extent. By your logic Kaguya is not immortal because she can get defeated the same way (Seals and Bijuu extractions) but most folks on NB already acknowledge she is immortal and same with Madara, Even Sasuke himself said "If one of us dies, it's over" Point is Madara and Kaguya has an "immortal body" or for you sake lets call it an "indestructible body" that can only be sealed or extracted (Bijuus) but guess what? Sasuke has none of those things.
Shin Jukai Koutan is not an ability that allows Madara to absorb Chakra. Obviously you are talking about Infinite Tsukiyomi here, but Madara's body could not handle that much chakra, hence why he turned into a balloon.If anything he possess near Infinite chakra excluding the ability to use Shin: Jukai Kōtan to absorb more chakra but it's not even needed considering Madara's reserve >>>> Sasuke's by a large margin.
Good point.@Bold if they get damaged they regen, Kaguya didn't lose control because she was damage, the Bijuu's went haywire because of the Bijuu's RasenShuriken Naruto used on her and Sasuke does not have Bijuu chakra believe it or not (lol wtf).
Like i said, we don't actually know if Sasuke could do it. I'm saying it's not impossible, he clearly posesses the ability to control Bijuu chakra.@Bold that...is bloody nonsense and you know it. Don't give Sasuke Obito's feats since obviously Obito still had some chakra of the Juubi from being a JJ proven by the ability to still make the Sun Staff.
Haha, no it doesn't. The aleged "Limbo Swap" panel has Madara dashing away at the top. It's a simple Substitution jutsu, nothing more. He cannot instantly trade places with a Limbo clone if it is already active. And i never used the Dimension negging argument on the grounds that it's stupid, and relies on Madara walking into an obvious portal.Limbo switch does exist, if normal substitution can be done using reverse summon what is stopping from Madara doing the same? considering Limbo are exact copy with Madara's chakra from a different realm. Even "if" he can't, normal clones would be enough to counter Dimension negging. Sasuke can't use portals more than 3-4 times before weakening so he won't take that chance.
He has a personal grudge against Madara, I'm not even kidding.
Four-thousand three hundred and ninety-two at my last calculation.
Yes, Kaguya is not immortal. She, and Madara, have extremely high rates of healing and massive egos. That is different to Immortal. The idiots here use "Immortal" as if it means "cannot be defeated". Even if the majority disagrees with me, that just means the majority is wrong. Because they can be beaten without Seals.
Shin Jukai Koutan is not an ability that allows Madara to absorb Chakra. Obviously you are talking about Infinite Tsukiyomi here, but Madara's body could not handle that much chakra, hence why he turned into a balloon.
Good point.
Like i said, we don't actually know if Sasuke could do it. I'm saying it's not impossible, he clearly posesses the ability to control Bijuu chakra.
Haha, no it doesn't. The aleged "Limbo Swap" panel has Madara dashing away at the top. It's a simple Substitution jutsu, nothing more. He cannot instantly trade places with a Limbo clone if it is already active. And i never used the Dimension negging argument on the grounds that it's stupid, and relies on Madara walking into an obvious portal.
Against his fanbase for the line you are about to use, and anyone who uses the seals argument, either for Madara or Kaguya.