Madara and Nagato - Huge similarities to this other Anime/Manga from 1998.

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1. Sharringan and the "Body Flicker" = Episode 15: Demons Eye Episode Summary

Vash the main character tried to chase after his nemesis. When trying to pursue him, a woman APPEARS SUDDENLY in front of him. She has a metal eye patch. This allowed her to manipulate a person's 5 sense, in order to make it seem like she was moving incredibly fast. Her ability did not increase her speed, but slowed down everyone else.

I believe that Madara has 2 techniques.
1. Body Flicker - Used in battle to make it seem people fly through him.
2. Flash Step - Used to travel long distances at the speed of light.

1. I think that the Body Flicker used in battle is a variation of Itachi's Tsukyomi. Instead of trapping 1 person in genjutsu where 1 second = 1 year.... Madara does a mass genjutsu that makes 5 seconds seem like .01 seconds to everyone else...

2. Flash Step is similar to Kakashi's technique. Amaratsu are black flames from another dimension. Kakashi's technique opens a "black hold" into another dimension. Madara uses this blackhole to actually transport himself.
- Madara keeps his left eye covered, just like Kakashi. But why? Kakashi does it because his sharringan is on permanately. It is safe to say that Madara's left eye is in MS permanately. MS making Madara immortal is a PUN, Madara's body gives out, but his technique allows him to transverse time, which to a normal person seems like eternity.

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2. Nagato = the character, Legato (name sounding)

Legato serves "Knives" (Madara),the nemisis to the hero Vash.

Knives destroys Legato's town (Hidden Rain village), but accidentally saves Legato.

Legato was a slave before this, and during that time, he wove thousands of special metal threads into his brain. (Image of Ino's father inside the brain of that captured shninobi).

They are dispensed out of a skull-shaped emblem attached to his left arm. When released, the threads transmit electricity (chakra) to control his victim's muscles over.

The threads (black antennas) themselves are only a few molecules thick and able to take over an entire town with ease.

Knives crushes Legato's body for following his own personal agenda. Legato is consequently restricted to a coffin-like container with metal appendages that allows limited movement (Nagato in that spider looking chair).

He eventually learns to use his threads to manipulate his own body (Could this be what happened to Nagato? Was he paralyzed in battle, and Yahiko died in front of him - Pein did say that he was just like Naruto when watching Hinata died, so it could be)


If you read the paragraph, does that not sound just like Pein? With the obvious differences, but the same concept.

You can also say that Knives, is Madara. Knives destroyed an entire town, but Legato was saved by accident. Madara destroys the Hidden Rain village, and the Salamander guy, yet Nagato is accidently saved.

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Just wondering if anyone else remembers this series at all? It was pretty cool.
Any comments? lol
 

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Amaratsu are black flames from another dimension
Amaterasu are flames from Hell

It is safe to say that Madara's left eye is in MS permanately.
Why is it safe to say that?

I believe that Madara has 2 techniques.
1. Body Flicker - Used in battle to make it seem people fly through him.
2. Flash Step - Used to travel long distances at the speed of light.
I think you've got it mixed up. Body Flicker is used to travel long distances at "the speed of light". It is also called Shunshin.
 
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Amaterasu are flames from Hell


Why is it safe to say that?
Sorry. My reasoning was this...

1. Why does Kakashi keep his left eye covered?
- The eye is in the sharringan form permanently. Meaning Kakashi can't turn it off. And thus just by using the sharringan itself, drains Kakashi's chakra. It is the result of a non-blood line person using the eyes.

2. Whey Madara keeps his left eye covered?
- This could be for the same reason. The MS eye could be on permanately, and to avoid using its ability, or drain his chakra he keeps it covered.

kindof along those lines.
 

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Amaterasu are flames from Hell


Why is it safe to say that?



I think you've got it mixed up. Body Flicker is used to travel long distances at "the speed of light". It is also called Shunshin.
haha ok ok haha .... ignore the names I gave those 2 techniques! lol

Are there 2 variations of the 2 I guessed. Being a difference between a close range possible genjutsu. And then a longrange space time jutsu, possibly by opening a dimention thing like Kakashi's?
 

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Sorry. My reasoning was this...

1. Why does Kakashi keep his left eye covered?
- The eye is in the sharringan form permanently. Meaning Kakashi can't turn it off. And thus just by using the sharringan itself, drains Kakashi's chakra. It is the result of a non-blood line person using the eyes.

2. Whey Madara keeps his left eye covered?
- This could be for the same reason. The MS eye could be on permanately, and to avoid using its ability, or drain his chakra he keeps it covered.

kindof along those lines.
I understand why you think Tobi keeps his left eye covered. But I still don't know why you think the MS is permanent, other than the fact that the left eye is always covered. Because if that's the only reason, it's not enough to enable you to say "It is safe to say that Madara's left eye is in MS permanently".
 
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I understand why you think Tobi keeps his left eye covered. But I still don't know why you think the MS is permanent, other than the fact that the left eye is always covered. Because if that's the only reason, it's not enough to say "It is safe to say that Madara's left eye is in MS permanently".
I was leading towards the whole "take your brother's eye" thing, to get EMS. And how Kakashi obtained his sharringan eye.

But we're off topic! haha its about Tri-gun if you have seen it? I thought it was cool that it was similar! :)
 
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I was leading towards the whole "take your brother's eye" thing, to get EMS. And how Kakashi obtained his sharringan eye.

But we're off topic! haha its about Tri-gun if you have seen it? I thought it was cool that it was similar! :)
EMs is permanent. but is it permanently activated? I think it is implied that regular MS is limited because it has a limited number of uses. When Itachi says "permanent Mangekyou Sharingan" it is unclear whether or not it is permanently activated.

However, the way Itachi puts it, Madara obtained EMS prior to having ties with Senju to form Konoha. If EMS was permanently activated, then we would've seen Madara's EMS eyes (a combination of his own MS pattern and his brother's MS pattern) present.
 

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Trigun :

You can also say that Knives, is Madara. Knives destroyed an entire town, but Legato was saved by accident. Madara destroys the Hidden Rain village, and the Salamander guy, yet Nagato is accidently saved.

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Just wondering if anyone else remembers this series at all? It was pretty cool.
Any comments? lol
Jip I remember the series, it was a damn good one, one of my favourites! Vash actually makes me think of tobi/Madara. The way he acts and suddenly changes to this innocent person! hahahaha

Nice comparison, but I just want to correct you on another thing, Madara wasnt the one to destroy the Hidden Rain village, and fought the Hanzou the Salamander, it was Pain that did the destroying part.
 

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Jip I remember the series, it was a damn good one, one of my favourites! Vash actually makes me think of tobi/Madara. The way he acts and suddenly changes to this innocent person! hahahaha

Nice comparison, but I just want to correct you on another thing, Madara wasnt the one to destroy the Hidden Rain village, and fought the Hanzou the Salamander, it was Pain that did the destroying part.
Wasn't Madara the Mizukage though, according to Kisame? I thought that was like the leader of the Rain. Or something along those lines. Maybe I have my villages mixed up. I know Nagato grew up there. Maybe Madara was pulling some manipulation over there too. Both Itachi and Nagato as these were growing up...
 

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EMs is permanent. but is it permanently activated? I think it is implied that regular MS is limited because it has a limited number of uses. When Itachi says "permanent Mangekyou Sharingan" it is unclear whether or not it is permanently activated.

However, the way Itachi puts it, Madara obtained EMS prior to having ties with Senju to form Konoha. If EMS was permanently activated, then we would've seen Madara's EMS eyes (a combination of his own MS pattern and his brother's MS pattern) present.
We've not seen Madara's EMS, its still behind the mask. And in the shadows when he spoke to Sasuke in the cave.

If we are saying that the Sharringan techniques, Amaratsu, Susanno and Tskuyomi are eye specific.... and not individual specific, it means that there has to be a connection between the techniques of Amaratesu, Kakashi's blackhole, and Madara's technique.

The techniques from the left eye, for Itachi and Kakashi seemed to do much more damage respectively, compared to the right eye and Tsukuyomi. I want to say that it would be the same for Madara, but maybe just in endurance.

There has to be a reason why he is wearing a mask with only 1 eye hole now, compared to when Itachi approached him back when he was younger, Madara had 2 eye holes then. This rules out having to cover up the eye to conceal his identity. That only leaves... that there is something inherently different between his 2 sharringan eyes. Kakashi keeps his covered unless he needs it in battle, because its permanently in the "on" position. Thats the only reason I can deduce for that.

My theory of the difference being the EMS permanently on... is that somehow Kisame instantly recognized Tobi as Madara when the mask came off. One way for Kisame to do this, would be to recognize the hidden eye that is permanently in the MS mode, beacause its pattern is different for each individual.
 

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Wasn't Madara the Mizukage though, according to Kisame? I thought that was like the leader of the Rain. Or something along those lines. Maybe I have my villages mixed up. I know Nagato grew up there. Maybe Madara was pulling some manipulation over there too. Both Itachi and Nagato as these were growing up...
Hi Leon,

Kizame state that Madara is the Mizukage. Dont worry I also a bit messed up with the villages and names. But i know that Pain was the one to invade Amagakure and defeated Hanzou not Madara.

check this out.
 

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We've not seen Madara's EMS, its still behind the mask. And in the shadows when he spoke to Sasuke in the cave.

If we are saying that the Sharringan techniques, Amaratsu, Susanno and Tskuyomi are eye specific.... and not individual specific, it means that there has to be a connection between the techniques of Amaratesu, Kakashi's blackhole, and Madara's technique.

The techniques from the left eye, for Itachi and Kakashi seemed to do much more damage respectively, compared to the right eye and Tsukuyomi. I want to say that it would be the same for Madara, but maybe just in endurance.

There has to be a reason why he is wearing a mask with only 1 eye hole now, compared to when Itachi approached him back when he was younger, Madara had 2 eye holes then. This rules out having to cover up the eye to conceal his identity. That only leaves... that there is something inherently different between his 2 sharringan eyes. Kakashi keeps his covered unless he needs it in battle, because its permanently in the "on" position. Thats the only reason I can deduce for that.

My theory of the difference being the EMS permanently on... is that somehow Kisame instantly recognized Tobi as Madara when the mask came off. One way for Kisame to do this, would be to recognize the hidden eye that is permanently in the MS mode, beacause its pattern is different for each individual.
But why would Madara have EMS in one eye and not the other?

and Madara/Tobi was/is Mizukage of the Hidden Mist. Kisame is from the Hidden Mist which is why Kisame would recognize him. Pain overthrew the Kage of the Hidden Rain.
 
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I know that my idea requires a lot of what ifs lol .

But

What if Madara and his brother only exchanged 1 eye with eachother? and the eye that doesn't have EMS is kept covered to prevent further damage to it.

or

What if Madara and his brother only exchanged 1 eye, and the eye that DOES have EMS is covered... because his brothers EMS is different than his own. In theory, Madara's MS is unique to him, because thats how his mind structure and eye shape shifted in that way. Thus he can't naturally make his brother's MS eye shape. However, if the eye is permanately in MS, Madara's MS would be able to be used without strain to the eye, because it is already half way there....

IDK... lol Now I'm just rambling it seems. :)
 
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