Madara and Hashirama (VotE) vs Akatsuki

[KidGamer65]

he can technically do it but I actually meant he can Kamui himself... also his teammate can fly and often starts the battle on a clay bird... Obito can just stay in the air

flaming as usuall
no Itachi gets beaten mid diff
Yata's hype is unbroken but PS was solo'd by Hashirama (feats+hype >>> size)
also the 2.5 stamina is sick Itachi there's no proof that healthy Itachi had shitty stamina and was unable to keep his susanoo up for a long time

When Obito teleports he becomes tangible. Once he becomes tangible in FTW's area he breathes in the pollen and falls asleep. GG. Not to mention Madara or Hashirama can knock the ones who can fly back into the forest, putting them to sleep just like Madara did to the Gokage.

PS smashes all things in the universe as stated by Madara himself, so if you want to say Yata is invincible I'll say PS smashes all things and that includes Yata Mirror.

Madara stomps low diff.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

When Obito teleports he becomes tangible. Once he becomes tangible in FTW's area he breathes in the pollen and falls asleep. GG. Not to mention Madara or Hashirama can knock the ones who can fly back into the forest, putting them to sleep just like Madara did to the Gokage.

PS smashes all things in the universe as stated by Madara himself, so if you want to say Yata is invincible I'll say PS smashes all things and that includes Yata Mirror.

Madara stomps low diff.

PS was dehyped in the minute it couldn't smash wood
yata was never dehyped
huge difference

most Akatsukis have more impressive speed feats than Madara and Hashirama combined
soloing an exhausted Gokage (not to mention that outside A they were turtles compared to guys like Itachi) is nothing sry

 

[KidGamer65]

PS was dehyped in the minute it couldn't smash wood
yata was never dehyped
huge difference

most Akatsukis have more impressive speed feats than Madara and Hashirama combined
soloing an exhausted Gokage (not to mention that outside A they were turtles compared to guys like Itachi) is nothing sry

Yata has nothing to back up its hype when it comes to blocking attacks of PS's magnitude. When you have a scan of Yata blocking something of this magnitude then come back. Until then anything you mention about the featless shield will be ignored.

No limits fallacy is evident.

Akatsuki's speed feats have nothing to do with Hashirama and Madara knockng them back into the ground. I hope you don't think they will go and physically try to knock them off cause that's stupid. PS hits them down, Shinsuusenju hits them down, Wood God..etc.

Read the goddamn manga. Madara solo'd the Gokage period. They weren't exhausted when he came. They got shitted on just like Itachi gets shitted on.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

Yata has nothing to back up its hype when it comes to blocking attacks of PS's magnitude. When you have a scan of Yata blocking something of this magnitude then come back. Until then anything you mention about the featless shield will be ignored.

No limits fallacy is evident.

Akatsuki's speed feats have nothing to do with Hashirama and Madara knockng them back into the ground. I hope you don't think they will go and physically try to knock them off cause that's stupid. PS hits them down, Shinsuusenju hits them down, Wood God..etc.

Read the goddamn manga. Madara solo'd the Gokage period. They weren't exhausted when he came. They got shitted on just like Itachi gets shitted on.

yata being unbreakable is databook fact which was never dehyped
technically a desert can hit down a bird negative diff
Deidara still won the fight using less than the 50% of his arsenal
they were already exhausted when madara started to use jutsus he had in the VotE instead of rinnegan techs and wood clones U_U

 

[KidGamer65]

yata being unbreakable is databook fact which was never dehyped
technically a desert can hit down a bird negative diff
Deidara still won the fight using less than the 50% of his arsenal
they were already exhausted when madara started to use jutsus he had in the VotE instead of rinnegan techs and wood clones U_U

No Limits fallacy will be ignored.

Shinsuusenju and PS tower over Deidara and his puny bird, not to mention PS's attacks destroy Mountain Ranges. Deidara isn't escaping them.

If he had used PS from the start he would have raped them. The fact that he used techs with less firepower to obliterate them shows that PS would have raped them.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

No Limits fallacy will be ignored.

Shinsuusenju and PS tower over Deidara and his puny bird, not to mention PS's attacks destroy Mountain Ranges. Deidara isn't escaping them.

If he had used PS from the start he would have raped them. The fact that he used techs with less firepower to obliterate them shows that PS would have raped them.

you're ignoring one of the most important factor - speed
and as far as PS never soloed a 100% gokage it's not canon

 

[KidGamer65]

you're ignoring one of the most important factor - speed
and as far as PS never soloed a 100% gokage it's not canon

The moves cover a large AoE, they don't even need to have speed. Not to mention the attacks are fast on their own anyway.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

The moves cover a large AoE, they don't even need to have speed. Not to mention the attacks are fast on their own anyway.

I'm tired of countering bs ok EMS Madara > gokage
though as far as Nagato Obito and Itachi(possibly) can solo them this is totally irrelevant

 

[Strict]

People probably don't understand on what a devastating level Madara and Hashirama remain.

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Considering their size (people are an ant compared to the perfect Susanoo and Kyuubi, Kyuubi has the size of a cat compared to the Shinshuusenju that is towering mountains) such as their destructive power, it is just ridiculous to believe in a victory for Akatsuki. Most of the Akatsuki are nothing more than fodder for them; in a 1on1 either Madara or Hashirama would beat them no difficult without using their strongest techniques. Do I have to remind you that Shinobi like Muu at his prime and the young Oonoki as a support were trash in front of Madara who was only toying without using the Susanoo? It's not hard to see that any Akatsuki member apart from Tobi, who teleports himself, will get one shotted by every of them. Firstly, Madara starts to go on rampage with the perfect Susanoo and Kyuubi while Hashirama will sort a few of them out with artful Mokuton techniques such as the pollen, multiple Mokuton Bunshin and the Bringer of Darkness (with the Sage Mode, his power is even increased) and after a period, they're going to switch and Hashirama will go on rampage with the Shinsuusenju. Every, every member with common sense would agree that the Akatsuki has no chance of winning.

 

[NarutoIndra]

Madara and Hashi solo, I can't believe people are even debating this.

 

[KidGamer65]

I'm tired of countering bs ok EMS Madara > gokage
though as far as Nagato Obito and Itachi(possibly) can solo them this is totally irrelevant

What the hell are you talking about? This post was referring to the thread topic.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

What the hell are you talking about? This post was referring to the thread topic.

Madara>Gokage (I'm still unsure) has nothing to do with the Madara vs Akatsuki match
the only OP person they've got is Onoki
and they're all slow except A
if you think PS soloing them (after a countering a shitload of rinnegan techs) automatically proves that he can solo way faster and way stronger guys you're a fanboy

 

[KidGamer65]

Madara>Gokage (I'm still unsure) has nothing to do with the Madara vs Akatsuki match
the only OP person they've got is Onoki
and they're all slow except A
if you think PS soloing them (after a countering a shitload of rinnegan techs) proves that he can solo way faster and stronger guys you're a fanboy

The comment I just posted was referring to this match not Madara vs the Gokage.

Stay on topic. I'm done debating manga fact with you.

 

[Strict]

Madara>Gokage (I'm still unsure) has nothing to do with the Madara vs Akatsuki match
the only OP person they've got is Onoki
and they're all slow except A
if you think PS soloing them (after a countering a shitload of rinnegan techs) automatically proves that he can solo way faster and way stronger guys you're a fanboy

They had Tsunade who was healing and boosting them, they had A who was boosted with Oonoki and they had Gaara. I don't see how the likes of Hidan, Kakuzu, Sasori & co. would do a better job. What can they do against a non living chakra entity that is almost mountain sized? Kakuzu has a few elemental B-rank techniques, Sasori has puppets, Hidan is good at Taijutsu, Deidara has some bombs, Konan her paper and Itachi his Susanoo which is smaller than the perfect Susanoo's hand to a considerable degree. Nagato isn't much more of a threat. On the other side we have the mentioned chakra entity that makes humans look like an ant and sliced mountain ranges with one blow. Here, it is even fused with Kyuubi. Is it really in need of a debate what the Akatsuki can really do?

 

[End of Days]

It really depends on whether obito can get to madara inside susano'o for your scenario to remotely work.

its obvious that he can get inside susanoo

 

[Zexion~]

Madara shits on itachi ... is that being argued ? although i do believe YM is indestructible I doubt Itachi would even be able to go into susunoo Before PS slash kills him .. and if he does.. he simply waits it out lol whats itachi gona do

 

[AGoodBoy]

PS was dehyped in the minute it couldn't smash wood
yata was never dehyped
huge difference

most Akatsukis have more impressive speed feats than Madara and Hashirama combined
soloing an exhausted Gokage (not to mention that outside A they were turtles compared to guys like Itachi) is nothing sry

I stopped there and cleaned up my spat coffee from my keyboard.

its obvious that he can get inside susanoo

It isn't since he's never done it, and the main point is whether he'd have space to become tangible. If there's no space to become tangible, he can't warp madara.
Why does no one ever factor in the fact that obito has to be out of kamui to start warping someone?

 

[Booker]

When Obito teleports he becomes tangible. Once he becomes tangible in FTW's area he breathes in the pollen and falls asleep. GG. Not to mention Madara or Hashirama can knock the ones who can fly back into the forest, putting them to sleep just like Madara did to the Gokage.

PS smashes all things in the universe as stated by Madara himself, so if you want to say Yata is invincible I'll say PS smashes all things and that includes Yata Mirror.

Madara stomps low diff.

Another thing, couldn't Obito make everything except his lungs and mouth tangible, therefore breathing in the kamui dimension and grabbing people in the real dimension?

Obito has shown the ability to only warp certain parts of his body.

 

[-Raviel-]

Surely this must be a joke...

Hashirama & Madara are 'titans' in a class of their own.Once Nagato and Itachi falls the remnants get demolished in a simple matter of minutes.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

So far this is an argument of whoever does their ultimate attack first, to end the match.