Madara > 4th Hokage?
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yeah i know, but just because he can read yondaime's movements doesn't mean his body could keep up with yondaime. that's why he used the fox to fight yondaime, cuz the fox's body -could- counter yondaime's movements.
the only reason madara has space/time ninjutsu is because he watched yondaime during the kyuubi attack. then he had to train his body to use it, like sasuke training his body to match lee's speed.
UnknowNinjaName
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madara would do that if he has alot amount of chakra but in this condition he cant do that he would probably die if he trys that level...thats why hes good boy and he will not use his all chakra , only until time comes for him when pein captures naruto....if pein fails then he will use sasuke as x weapon to bring him nine tails...
If Madara is so strong, why would he need the Kyuubi, or any bijuu for that matter? Minato made it obvious, Madara needs the Kyuubi. By sealing it, Madara can't have it and if someone could control the Kyuubi like the 1st Hokage did, well there you have it. There's probably another reason why he wants the Fox. I think it has to do with the Chakra from the Kyuubi. Probably has the ablility to restore his sight or power he mite used to have.
The 1st Hokage proves one thing. Madara can be beaten.
I would think, Madara was much more of a God than he is now. My guess is After that fight, The First Hokage did something to him. Perhaps an Itachi type of curse to go with his the already cursed MS useage.
will keep on thinking. nice thread, good chapter.
The 1st Hokage proves one thing. Madara can be beaten.
I would think, Madara was much more of a God than he is now. My guess is After that fight, The First Hokage did something to him. Perhaps an Itachi type of curse to go with his the already cursed MS useage.
will keep on thinking. nice thread, good chapter.
since the start, Madara always wanted Konoha. The First mite had done something to not allow that. Whenever Madara comes closer to Konoha, he loses power.
My bad, I didn't answer the thread. Minato sounded more like he was just doubting himself. Minato vs Madara never came to a conclusion. Like I said thereof (my other post), It doesn't make sence even to Minato - why he would need the kyuubi in the first place if he is that powerfull.
My bad, I didn't answer the thread. Minato sounded more like he was just doubting himself. Minato vs Madara never came to a conclusion. Like I said thereof (my other post), It doesn't make sence even to Minato - why he would need the kyuubi in the first place if he is that powerfull.
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TheSixPathsOfTheSage
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nah i dun think so, if so y didnt madara take naruto if he was watchin? then he would have known the 4th sealed it within his own son...
i tihnk madara sent the kyuubi to the leaf in order to create havock just to take revenge.
and even besides tht, dont u think madara would be able to kill the 4th while he was trying to seal the kyuubi at the scene( if he was there )
i think madara was absolutely absent from the 4th-kyuubi thing
i tihnk madara sent the kyuubi to the leaf in order to create havock just to take revenge.
and even besides tht, dont u think madara would be able to kill the 4th while he was trying to seal the kyuubi at the scene( if he was there )
i think madara was absolutely absent from the 4th-kyuubi thing
It was more than just chaos and revenge. He needs the bijuu's. Without it he can't do anything. Probably why Tobi only showed up when he did. Had enough Bijuus to give him power. It makes sense because we can see now, how Pain or the rest of the Akatsuki is being used.
gotta say..
reading all of this would be time wasting for me, because in the end all things u guys said kinda comes at the same thing in the end..
and it gives me just 1 thought..
MADARA IS THE FINAL VILLAIN !!!
oh and it's 100% madara lied EVERY single bit just to get Sasuke on his side ( old news but ah well )
but I personally think that we still get to see Rokudo Sennin...
and Madara has a big role in it to play...
but i cud be wrong
reading all of this would be time wasting for me, because in the end all things u guys said kinda comes at the same thing in the end..
and it gives me just 1 thought..
MADARA IS THE FINAL VILLAIN !!!
oh and it's 100% madara lied EVERY single bit just to get Sasuke on his side ( old news but ah well )
but I personally think that we still get to see Rokudo Sennin...
and Madara has a big role in it to play...
but i cud be wrong
shneider177
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People continue to say that madara is weak for using the nine tail... But that, first of all, was his ultimate power. He even used it when fighting the 1st--nothing new. The whole story wraps around the great power of the shargin and its ability to even control the demon of fire.
So in the battle between the kybuii and the 4th, madara was defeated again, more so like a draw--4th dies, but madara loses his best weapon. And probably the only great weapon he had left after being defeated and thought dead after his fight with the 1st. Which would explain him being only a mere shell of his former self. Yet still he is a master mind and that is why he's using all his pawns to get his way regardless. People forget that he is a kage also of some village, mist maybe.
madara (post 1st battle) vs. 4th hokage.
4th for the win/draw
madara(before 1st) vs 4th hokage
madara easily
So in the battle between the kybuii and the 4th, madara was defeated again, more so like a draw--4th dies, but madara loses his best weapon. And probably the only great weapon he had left after being defeated and thought dead after his fight with the 1st. Which would explain him being only a mere shell of his former self. Yet still he is a master mind and that is why he's using all his pawns to get his way regardless. People forget that he is a kage also of some village, mist maybe.
madara (post 1st battle) vs. 4th hokage.
4th for the win/draw
madara(before 1st) vs 4th hokage
madara easily
Madaras probablly not as strong as he used to be so he decides to wait in the shadows and have itachi, pain, kakazu, sasuke and all the rest to do his dirty work and get the tailed beasts
he states himself to pain and konan that he wants the power of the tailed beasts to streangthen his EMS so maybe once he does that he will be a powerhouse again
it seems though even if madara was controling pain/nagato like a puppet and exploiting nagatos ideals to work for him, it seems that madara highly underestimated nagatos ability. I dont remember which chapter it was but madara was talking with sasuke while kisame,suijetsu,karin,jugo and possibally zetsu and he said that akatsuki wasnt strong enough to take down the leaf villlage, well look what nagato did, basically turned most of it to rubble
he states himself to pain and konan that he wants the power of the tailed beasts to streangthen his EMS so maybe once he does that he will be a powerhouse again
it seems though even if madara was controling pain/nagato like a puppet and exploiting nagatos ideals to work for him, it seems that madara highly underestimated nagatos ability. I dont remember which chapter it was but madara was talking with sasuke while kisame,suijetsu,karin,jugo and possibally zetsu and he said that akatsuki wasnt strong enough to take down the leaf villlage, well look what nagato did, basically turned most of it to rubble
and i dont think madara fought the 4th directly but the 4th may have caught on to what he was doing and madara knew that and sent mr fox and stop the 4th, it sorta backfird loosing kyuubi in the process but who kknows what happend
6th hokage
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i agree. but one thing i dont get. why ppl started screaming 4th is weaker than (one eyed) madara. if he was, if madara saw thru everything(saw thru 4th's fighting ability as many ppl are interpreting), why didnt/cudnt madara stop him from spliting the kuybi chakra and sealing it in front of his own eyes(oops eye). madara was behind the scene, a puppeteer and didnt even fight himself. and escaped conveniently after 4th sealed his prized weapon kuybi.
i think "he saw thru everything i did", means madara was able to see thru the plan 4th has devised regarding his sealing of kuybi. remember 4th split the kuybi chakra in half. there is a reason for that.
If Madara was able to see thorough his every move (Sharingan makes that easy), Minato was also able to notice his presence, his mask and his Akatsuki coat and see through his cunningness.
The fourth still won the battle that day and Madara retreated(for the second time).
Madara had to get another tool - Nagato this time, to finish the task.
PS: how many threads we are going to have on this same topic? Can anybody make a guess?
i think when it comes to instant speed(only 4th and madara possess) 4th could own pein because pein could never keep up with him but 4th vs madara is different.
4th vs madara back 16 years ago would have been 4th no problem.
but now that madara copied 4th's speed with his sharingan, it would just be a fight with constant teleporting. first one to land a hit wins.....GO!! lol
one question though. even though madara could copy 4th's "flying thunder god jutsu". then trained his body to use space/time jutsu himself. does that mean he could really see 4th's speed pattern? 4th's teleporting requires tattooes, seals, or tags with the summoning pattern on it. so even though he could follow the 4th's jutsu, does it mean he would know when he was going to teleport? the sharingan predicts movements, so i guess he could predict 4th's teleports.
so 4th vs madara "today" would be a neverending, teleporting battle. until 4th pulls out "reaper death seal"
4th vs madara back 16 years ago would have been 4th no problem.
but now that madara copied 4th's speed with his sharingan, it would just be a fight with constant teleporting. first one to land a hit wins.....GO!! lol
one question though. even though madara could copy 4th's "flying thunder god jutsu". then trained his body to use space/time jutsu himself. does that mean he could really see 4th's speed pattern? 4th's teleporting requires tattooes, seals, or tags with the summoning pattern on it. so even though he could follow the 4th's jutsu, does it mean he would know when he was going to teleport? the sharingan predicts movements, so i guess he could predict 4th's teleports.
so 4th vs madara "today" would be a neverending, teleporting battle. until 4th pulls out "reaper death seal"
master shinobi
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You all have great ideas i get it now that i think about more madaras case is just like sasuke against rock lee he can see his movements but he can keep up with the 4th... i think he might have used the kyuubi to attack the leaf and in he process since the 4th is the greatest hokage used his sharingan to check out his fighting style and copy some of his jutsu just like sasuke did with rock lees taijutsu. While doing that he came up with his own version of the 4th space/time jutsu maybe oter moves as well. But he miscalculated and lost the kyuubi in the process.