Micro bombs and Mu have nothing in common. Mu completely erases his chakra signature, Nano bombs are just microscopic, not invisible.
Suppose I'll post the scan, again. [
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Kabuto said that when Mu goes invisible he "has no chakra" I don't care what your rational for this is. Until you have a scan that says otherwise, it will remain as so.
Contact sensing is the
only thing shown to work. If Kekkei Genkai did the job, they wouldn't have just used Onoki, they would've used Hyuga clan members too
Because he also erases the presence of his chakra :L
He doesn't suppress his chakra, he erases it's signature.
Because there's nothing to identify, I don't know how many times it must be said.
Your entire premise is fallacious. Kabuto's statement in the
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is clearly Chakra sensory context
only. If Kabuto had no form then he wouldn't be prone to contact sensory in the first place, because there'd be nothing to make contact with. Yet there is, hence it's a chakra context. Having no chakra means death. But in this case, it doesn't, hence the chakra sensory context. No chakra=death as stated twice in the manga. You saying that's not a viable point is you appealing to ignorance.
A faster Sasuke that just had his chakra replenished was made unable to avoid jinton, pretty self explanatory.
A faster Sasuke? Based on what? They are the same speed at that point. And Sasuke was stationary at the time, he was not moving, and Onoki was already priorly in point blank distance from Sasuke. You using that as an actual argument is rather absurd, because that's not how a fight would play out in 1v1. Unless of course, you can prove how Mu comes into point blank without Sasuke moving aside. And unless of course, this Sasuke has used Susano for a prolonged period of time and has his body aching all over. Unless of course, Sasuke is just watching Onoki instead of moving with Shunshin or flying up with his CM2 wings. So no, maybe it's self-explanatory when you simulate this in your head, but realistically speaking it's anything but self-explanatory.
You think that: (A) Naruto wouldn't go as fast as he could to attack his opponent and (B) That it's impossible to use chakra to increase the speed of your jump?
How the hell can Shunshin be used in
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, you're not making any sense here. Not to mention the fact that Naruto soon hit Mu by accelerating his speed through Chakra arms. Unless chakra arms are somehow faster than v1 Ay, let alone a v2 Ay, there's not much to debate here, Naruto was moving at subpar speeds while in mid-air. His striking speed was dodged, big deal, such insane speed, much hype, wows.
"Versatile". :leaf: Sand is sand, Jin Garra's was more durable, that's about it. Hell, I could argue that War arc Gaara's sand is faster than
KRA Gaara's purely because there wouldn't be all the Bijuu chakra weighing it down (
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Based on what? Jin Gaara showed pretty much superiority in everything. Amount of sand he can control at once, durability of said sand, so quite likely all ihs capabilities went down when he stopped being a Jin. And what the hell @bold. That makes no sense because Bijuu chakra is not being used to hold it up, Gaara uses magnetism to control his sand and magnetism
converts chakra into magnetism. Not to mention it would be a completely baseless claim as Gaara's control of chakra is irrelevant of its weight, since while he was a Jin he could control more sand at a time.
And are you seriously trying to imply Deidara's foot speed is quite the same as his flying speed? I certainly hope you're not.
Matters naught, because Deidara still evaded Gaara'ss and on foot. So unless you are trying to convey something else, there's nothing to discuss here. Not to mention Deidara still basically said Sasuke is
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. So his only option was C2, since C1 would not suffice against Sexsuke.
Mu didn't dodge it till the last second, so the argument is pretty strong. There's no reason Mu would wait until the last second to move, and then not immediately counter attack.
Mu reacts to Garra's sand while the other kage don't, not even the Raikage. [
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Mu wasn't sensing at the time, otherwise he would've warned the five kage (notice he warned them of where Garra was in the sky after they got caught.)
But he could still sense the chakra utilisation, so he'd still have known it was coming for him unlike the other Kage's. No reason is not an argument, Lol. There was no reason for someone to not do something on at least a 100 occasions in the manga, doesn't mean that no reason actually implies said person can do what he didn't.
Again, he can sense, the others cannot. Raikage did not know of the chakra utilisation and did not expect anything, Mu knew all along. Point=moot.
Incorrect. Mu either did not have time to warn them, or simply didn't want to warn them given the fact that the Mizukage was in the bunch. So that point doesn't hold because it's pure conjecture. You trying to hype this feat to ore than anything but good sensing capabilities is weird, because it's pretty obvious that that is all it is.
Yes it does, the sheer durability of this severely nerfed Mu is enough to withstand Kusanagi based on feats shown.
Not when Mu also has Raiton nature himself, and swords [
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What? Lol. If you are saying Sasuke's Kusanagi replica by itself, then I agree. If you are suggesting while it's enhanced by Raiton, then he'll need some massive durability feats to be attributed such. Literally no reason to suggest he can do such a durability feat, because the rasengan did not make full contact with him given he split while it was being employed on him. The rest was healed via Edo Tensei body so it's not actual durability of any kind, as he would've died with those massive holes in him. Moving that rock off of him is not going to begin to suggest anything comparable to a Kusanagi enhanced by Raiton.
And what if My has Raiton himself? What is that doing for him here? Sasuke clearly said Raiton has a massive toll on his body [
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Haha, "striking speed". That was relevant when I was debating Tobirama vs Minato because Tobirama has the top muggle hand speed in the series. It was special then because it makes him near untouchable to non Rikudo opponents. No other character has anything like that, so it's a pretty irrelevant thing to ask for. now I seem to see it on every thread.
Was this supposed to be some get-out-of-jail card? Because it's not, and you have yet to prove how he lands a proper punch on Sasuke when Sasuke outright dodged Ay's elbow in v1 and landed a Chidori on him. Happens here again except this time Mu can't tank the Chidori and dies. Or rather, Sasuke keeps himself at a safe distance and has his Chidori extend to become a Chidori eiso, and still land a hit on Mu once it radially expands. Not having Tobirama's striking speed doesn't make your striking speed irrelevant, don't know how you came to such a conclusion but it's clearly fallacious..
I think we can give Mu the benefit of the doubt, considering this Sasuke has been intercepted Sai [
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You and your flawed examples once again. Sai intercepted Sasuke after he had to pull out his sword and strike in a circular swipe [
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rather than a retarded swipe which isn't an exemplification of striking speed. A strong exemplification of striking speed is when you can
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Mifune's Iado, which is supposed to be so fast hand seals cannot be utilised. Or when you can land around 6 strikes at
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. So no, Sasuke's striking speed is beyond anything Mu will be capable of stalemating with.
This whole matchup sounds like you're desperately trying to find an easy opponent for a very weak(er) Sasuke, and so you're trying to play it safe by going after a guy with very few feats to his name and are almost trying to win based on lack of feats. I can't magic mach 78 handspeed for Mu out of my arse, so I think asking for the benefit of the doubt is more than reasonable.
Not at all, this whole match-up is supposed to be people trying to argue that Mu's invisibility works on Sasuke, when in fact it does not. I know that Hebi Sasuke defeats Mu once it is established that Sasuke can see him. However, as long as people do not realise that, they'll think even MS Sasuke would lose. That is why I purposefully chose a weaker Sasuke, in hopes of people saying invisibility>Jinton gg, when that is not going to be the case vs a Dojutsu user. But I also expected people to appeal to ignorance when I claimed Sharingan would see Mu, given it hasn't happened (and when something wasn't explicitly shown, people tend to say feats or gtfo, which isn't actually a viable argumentation).
Mu fought Madara with Onoki too, and is quite aware of not looking into his eyes. No dice on the Genjutsu front.
I'm not convinced. If an otherwise healthy and rejuvenated MS Sasuke, with superior Speed and Reactions was Dusted by Onoki, what makes you think a slower Sasuke will fare any better? Not to mention Mu matched Onoki's speed in implementing Jinton when Onoki powered his attack up first, and this was Edo Mu of all things.
Relevance? Having fought Madara does not make him immune to Genjutsu, don't see where you got that from. I have absolutely no reason to believe he's trained to fight Genjutsu users as Gai has, merely because he lost to Madara fighting at 0.0001% of his full power.
Already addressed why that Jinton was not a viable option, Sasuke was practically done for at that point [
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]. You can clearly see he was in terrible condition, Zetsu gave him chakra but that does not in any way insinuate his body was not in immense pain. It's rather clear it was seeing how he came out of that room with terrible posture, a hand on his eye and he was practically panting.
Lol, conjuring a big ass summons definitely
won't be a massive target for Jinton, how could I forget...
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Dust release can be revolved in a circle, so, quite literally, 360 Jinton soloes
Alright, I'll concede that Manda would have any relevance in this fight whatsoever. Although I'd still go as far to say small snakes can be sent around the battlefield to attack Mu while he is fighting Sasuke.
