[VS] Mū vs Hebi Sasuke

[Apêx1]

Location: Forest
Distance: 20 meters
Intel: Manga
Intent: To kill
Mindset: IC
Restrictions: None

Make proper arguments for your opinions plssssssss...

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

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[Lariatoo]

Muu most likely.

 

[Bronze]

Sasuke, low difficulty.

Jinton will never hit Sasuke, with Madara able to dodge it by foot alone. [

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] Hebi Sasuke should accomplish the same, with his Shunshin being point 5 and hyped to have ''Godlike'' speed. Invisibility is seen plainly by the Sharingan's insight. The retards in this base literally have no idea how Mu's invisibility functions. He only hides the presence of his Chakra, making it impossible for other sensors to detect via Chakra. It's the same ability Karin uses to remain undetectable. To say Mu actually has no Chakra in his invisible mode, is to say he control the existence of his Chakra; which is impossible for him to do that, while using Ninjutsu and at the same moment erasing his Chakra. Obito saw through the Iwagakure Shinobi's invisibility plain and simple. Madara fought and defeated him. Sharingan sees through it. Just like that.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Wow Madara beating Teen Mū is really relevant and can directly be applied to sasuke in this case because "godlike" speed must be infinitely fast almost as fast as god

 

[Beans2]

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[Apêx1]

Sasuke, low difficulty.

Jinton will never hit Sasuke, with Madara able to dodge it by foot alone. [

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] Hebi Sasuke should accomplish the same, with his Shunshin being point 5 and hyped to have ''Godlike'' speed. Invisibility is seen plainly by the Sharingan's insight. The retards in this base literally have no idea how Mu's invisibility functions. He only hides the presence of his Chakra, making it impossible for other sensors to detect via Chakra. It's the same ability Karin uses to remain undetectable. To say Mu actually has no Chakra in his invisible mode, is to say he control the existence of his Chakra; which is impossible for him to do that, while using Ninjutsu and at the same moment erasing his Chakra. Obito saw through the Iwagakure Shinobi's invisibility plain and simple. Madara fought and defeated him. Sharingan sees through it. Just like that.

Indeed, Mu's vulnerability to the Sharingan is barely debatable imo. Camouflage that Obito detected and this camouflage both work by reflecting light around them. Don't see why the extra addition of water to reflect light would do anything for Mu, given light's reflections do not matter to the Sharingan.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Indeed, Mu's vulnerability to the Sharingan is barely debatable imo. Camouflage that Obito detected and this camouflage both work by reflecting light around them. Don't see why the extra addition of water to reflect light would do anything for Mu, given light's reflections do not matter to the Sharingan.

You're comparing a low-rank shinobi to someone who mastered the technique. Mū was called the non man because he completely erased his chakra signature.

given light's reflections do not matter to the Sharingan.[/QUOTE

Lol, what?

This implies he even needs to hide from Hebi Sasuke in the first place

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Should've added: no chakra signature = no sharingan detection.

 

[Apêx1]

You're comparing a low-rank shinobi to someone who mastered the technique. Mū was called the non man because he completely erased his chakra signature.

Irrelevant. They are not the same jutsu, so assuming said weaker shinobi didn't master it is baseless. Mu's jutsu incorporates water particles to allow him to have light reflect around him, so they are technically different, but in essence the same. Hence light reflections are irrelevant to the Sharingan, and can be further proven by Sasuke's Sharingan seeing chakra behind high density rocks. Non man or not, he's completely vulnerable to the Sharingan's clairvoyance.

Lol, what?

This implies he even needs to hide from Hebi Sasuke in the first place

Lol, so you're trying to tell me he stands a chance against Sasuke in CQC? Go on..

Should've added: no chakra signature = no sharingan detection.

Based on what?

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, chakra signature is

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[Omar19992010]

Muu Low Difficulty

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Irrelevant. They are not the same jutsu, so assuming said weaker shinobi didn't master it is baseless. Mu's jutsu incorporates water particles to allow him to have light reflect around him, so they are technically different, but in essence the same. Hence light reflections are irrelevant to the Sharingan, and can be further proven by Sasuke's Sharingan seeing chakra behind high density rocks. Non man or not, he's completely vulnerable to the Sharingan's clairvoyance.


Based on what?

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, chakra signature is

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You're not getting it. Mu does not simply bend light around himself to hide, he erases the presence of his chakra. It's not detectable at all, even to sensors

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. Contact sensing is the only thing shown to work, it is baseless fan-fiction to suggest otherwise.
Not a necessity? It's the signature that the colour comes from in the first place, what are you smoking? No signature, no colour, no Mu.

Lol, so you're trying to tell me he stands a chance against Sasuke in CQC? Go on..

You're trying to tell me that early shippuden Sasuke - who doesn't even have his choka Tomoe, or susano'o will be able to defeat Mu. He supposedly going to be able touch Mu, who dodged Garra's sand twice, and even KCM Naruto. Plus there's the raw durability he showed against not only getting hit by Naruto, Rasengan, but also a massive chunk of rock - at only 50% of himself plus being a weak Edo Zombie. Then there's the physical strength to casually move boulders off himself, superior to anything Sasuke has shown, etc.

Not to mention Mu doesn't even need to fight CQC, I'm interested in the magical counter Sasuke has to Jinton, even thoughh this Sasuke is weaker than one that still got caught up in it.

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Faster speed, faster reactions (even when covering one eye.) and had just been healed, yet still couldn't evade it.

 

[Princessu Kaaantchan]

Then there's atomizing the entire landscape.

 

[Apêx1]

You're not getting it. Mu does not simply bend light around himself to hide, he erases the presence of his chakra. It's not detectable at all, even to sensors

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. Contact sensing is the only thing shown to work, it is baseless fan-fiction to suggest otherwise.
Not a necessity? It's the signature that the colour comes from in the first place, what are you smoking? No signature, no colour, no Mu.

You're the one not getting it. You emphasising that he is undetectable to sensors by no means helps your argument. Dojutsu=/=Chakra sensor. Mu hides his chakra, he does not erase it. Erasing chakra means imminent death, thus chakra is still present. If chakra is present then that chakra is perceivable by the Sharingan given the fact Sasuke's Sharingan was able to identify chakra within the C4 micro-bombs. Baseless fan-fiction is conjecture, nothing else. You have yet to put up any actual counter-argument as to why Mu reflecting light would be any different to what the previous person tried against Obito, and you have yet to prove suppressing chakra is making it unidentifiable to the Sharingan (since it's still physically there). And I'll agree that chakra signature is the sole decider in chakra colour, but I have yet to see any reason why the

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would not be identified.

You're trying to tell me that early shippuden Sasuke - who doesn't even have his choka Tomoe, or susano'o will be able to defeat Mu. He supposedly going to be able touch Mu, who dodged Garra's sand twice, and even KCM Naruto. Plus there's the raw durability he showed against not only getting hit by Naruto, Rasengan, but also a massive chunk of rock - at only 50% of himself plus being a weak Edo Zombie. Then there's the physical strength to casually move boulders off himself, superior to anything Sasuke has shown, etc.

Not to mention Mu doesn't even need to fight CQC, I'm interested in the magical counter Sasuke has to Jinton, even thoughh this Sasuke is weaker than one that still got caught up in it.

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Faster speed, faster reactions (even when covering one eye.) and had just been healed, yet still couldn't evade it.

Is this supposed to prove something? Because it didn't. KCM Naruto did not shunshin, so the comparison does not hold. Jin Gaara's sand is more versatile than War Arc Gaara's sand and it was dodged by Deidara who basically admitted inferiority to Hebi Sasuke's speed. Moreover, Mu only dodged the sand via sensing, it does not in any way implicate his actual speed being insane. And raw durability holds no relevance in this fight, because any Chidori variant is cutting him up and numbing his body. Physical strength is cool and all, but when you lack striking speed feats, there's no reason for anyone to assert he can land a hit on a Sharingan user as quick and agile as Sasuke. So Sasuke cuts him up with Chidori spear and then has it radially expand.

Then there's Jinton that will never be utilised given the fact that Mu will be put under Sasuke's Genjutsu the second he comes that close. Then there's also the fact that Sasuke can evade a Jinton if he's not standing in point blank range, something Sasuke won't do in a real 1v1 fight where Sasuke is fit from the get-go. I haven't even brought up Manda/Aoda who can be used to attack Mu from two angles.

Last I checked Mu cannot atomise entire landscapes.

 

[Haizaki]

Mu wins by portrayal and feats.

The Sharingan has to see Charka but Mu himself can erase his chakra. Definitely don't see the Sharingan seeing that and the fact that they're in a forest makes it worse.

 

[Ghost in the Shell]

Invisible man Tsuchikage wins

 

[ARGUS]

Muu wins this mid diff at most

 

[Apêx1]

Mu wins by portrayal and feats.

The Sharingan has to see Charka but Mu himself can erase his chakra. Definitely don't see the Sharingan seeing that and the fact that they're in a forest makes it worse.

It does not erase chakra itself, otherwise Mu would die. It's still there meaning chakra flow is still present, the only difference is the chakra signature going away. The fact that they're in a forest has 0 effect on Sasuke's ability to see chakra behind any amount of trees.

 

[Conspirator.]

If the sharingan can actually see Mu, then Sasuke has a chance. Otherwise he loses.

 

[DMT]

Mu stomps

bad thread