[Discussion] Luffy vs Ussop vs Naruto
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Uh... Luffy and Usopp are close and yeah Kishi made some mistakes but I think the relationship between Naruto and Sasuke was waaay more intense.
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Exhibit A: You are comparing Ussop to Sasuke.This is how I have my funwhat is so wrong with wanting to hear the different view points of others?
Btw, I sympathized with both Sasuke and Ussop's reasonings.
Nothing wrong if people can be objective and know how too compare and what to compare. Otherwise all you get is some people fanboying for one and hating another comparing pointless things. And hurling personal insults and extreme views and flame wars.
Need I say anything more?
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I guess we should assume it was someone else who let him lash out at himself and withstood it resisting just enough, instead of trying to kill him. Someone in whom Sasuke saw his brother.
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Nope just the feels produced by their their events. I wanted to know how the mangas resonated with other members. I don't really see what's wrong with wanting to know what strike ppl's chords. As for what others do that isn't my business. I only make threads on stuff that interest me to get intelligent replies. If ppl want to bring extreme views or insults they can be reported.You are comparing Ussop to Sasuke. Need I say anything more?
Nothing wrong if people can be objective and know how too compare and what to compare. Otherwise all you get is some people fanboying for one and hating another comparing pointless things. And hurling personal insults and extreme views and flame wars.
Stupid replies can be ignored and if threads get out of hand they can be closed.
Besides we are on a site discussing anime/ manga. I consider it enjoyable, but this is all still a waste of time. :|
It's nice that u decided as mod to keep an eye on this thread to make sure it doesn't get out of hand though Lol thx
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I'm just stating my view in a polite way but I guess you missed the point. If I were more blunt and wanted to rain on your parade I would say it is thrilling but momentarily. It's an adventure story, while Naruto is not. So obviously the thrill you get here would be different.
But by the time you catch up with current arc the memory of Ussop's actions would just that be. There is not a moment in the confrontation where you would think Ussop is right in his own way even if method he is resorting to was not quite right and there could be another path by which he could have dealt with the problem. You won't think if there was anything that could have been different back then. And if you have read OP first and then read Naruto ( really read it not just to go through it to have an opinion on it) you won't be thinking of Ussop when you are watching that fright between Naruto and Sasuke. The feeling there is of different nature. You are comparing it now only because that's the last thing you can remember about the manga.
I had read that part in 2012 so I know. It was great at the time but it was different. Water 7 arc is when the plot stats getting to next phase- more mature and complicated and a plot starts taking the shape. Thus, it's one of my favourite arcs ( well most of it- didn't like a few panels of frankie running around naked in the city.. >_> but I get past such panels reminding myself that manga is for boys.
) If you want to compare Naruto, FMA would be a better example.
And I have been there- I once said the arc of Ace dying has similar spot in OP in matter of relevance as Gara rescue arc in Naruto. Let me clear I am NOT say the intricacy of emotional high or number of fights or it's scale were of the same kind. But still in terms of what the writers were driving at. Plus importance of Ace to the plot. And that had set the OP fans on fire. Every gun directed at me. You know what I think back now and still feel the same. But it's a subjective view and how one sees at something. So there are no wrong or right arguments about such scenarios. It's your personal feelings after all.
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Sorry, I thought that was what drew u here. And I guess that view is fine for u, but whether Ussop was right or wrong doesn't really matter imo. Well at least to me. I don't go by such standards in anime since a lot of times I end up siding with villains or just enjoy the experience . Just like in Naruto I judge as to whether I can see where a character is coming from and can I empathize. Personally, I don't forget any of the moments in OP they each become a cherished memory where the scenes only get more vivid every time I view them. I also get that the feelings u experience in reading Naruto vs Sasuke are different, but if I were to boil the experiences down and rate them then I would still rate one higher than the other by which felt more emotional and which gripped me more.I'm just stating my view in a polite way but I guess you missed the point. If I were more blunt and wanted to rain on your parade I would say it is thrilling but momentarily. It's an adventure story, while Naruto is not. So obviously the thrill you get here would be different.
But by the time you catch up with current arc the memory of Ussop's actions would just that be. There is not a moment in the confrontation where you would think Ussop is right in his own way even if method he is resorting to was not quite right and there could be another path by which he could have dealt with the problem. You won't think if there was anything that could have been different back then. And if you have read OP first and then read Naruto ( really read it not just to go through it to have an opinion on it) you won't be thinking of Ussop when you are watching that fright between Naruto and Sasuke. The feeling there is of different nature. You are comparing it now only because that's the last thing you can remember about the manga.
I had read that part in 2012 so I know. It was great at the time but it was different. Water 7 arc is when the plot stats getting to next phase- more mature and complicated and a plot starts taking the shape. Thus, it's one of my favourite arcs ( well most of it- didn't like a few panels of frankie running around naked in the city.. >_> but I get past such panels reminding myself that manga is for boys.
If you want to compare Naruto, FMA would be a better example.
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It's that simple also I could see where u come from saying FMA is familiar, but imo it was much more well done.
Tbh, Ace death=Gaara rescue Arc. Lol that is an interesting opinion, but u r right there are no rights or wrongs........that is still wow
u seriously pick the wrong topic on expecting ppl to look objectively and seperate emotions
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That's just fine by me. ^^ I had read a few mangas before I started Naruto but it was my first ongoing manga that was this long. ( I had started watching both animes at the same time. So I was familiar with OP but didn't catch up to it till much later.)
Naruto though a shonnen attracts me because of it's compelling characters and the grey morality at times. OP on the other hand is rightly called a "manly maga". So yea in the end it depends on what pushes your buttons. I understand the pull it has and even enjoy certain aspects of it. But that pull is more directed at male audience so it just doesn't work that way for me.
I love FMA. More than OP. It's just more my type of story- the ones I prefer. Only adventure doesn't grip me that much and I guess that's the reason Water 7 arc, when the plot "thickens", was a turning point for many, though it takes ages to get there.
FMA itself was really nice and I love the Elric brothers, with Roy, Riza and Oliver Armstrong and Greed being right up there followed by that serial killer Berry. Scar goes through the most character development. But it was also a shorter story with Monthly serialization and it's less complicated than Naruto at times. What I loved the characterization of Elric, unlike Naruto. lol The MC trio of Naruto are rather cliche.
I know. lol It was the most well done Arc of OP so far with exciting clashes and thrill all though the way, with emotional high augmented by Ace's death. So people are not going to see it that way. That part was not my criteria at all. I meant the juncture in terms of story.Tbh, Ace death=Gaara rescue Arc. Lol that is an interesting opinion, but u r right there are no rights or wrongs........that is still wow
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That I can also agree with, though I like OP's story better. Naruto (leaving the MC aside) is more controversial its deeper and requires one to empathize and think more rather than just reading the manga for enjoyment. OP is a manga of passion, but I am really going to miss Naruto for those points that it brought.
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The thing about OP vs. Naruto is they're two very different series. To me, Naruto is much more childish and as much as it tries to come off as being serious and mature, it's like a 10 year old trying to be serious and mature. One Piece, as goofy and childish as it is at times, at the emotional points, it hits you harder and feels more sincere.
I honestly don't get how anyone can consider Naruto and Sasuke to be friends. It's stupid as hell and just doesn't make sense. It was one guy who had a desire to get stronger and all that, and another who initially made it his goal to "save" Sasuke to fulfil a promise to his crush, and it eventually became his lifelong goal. They were rivals, but they weren't friends, and it still baffles me how Kishi tried to force this nonexistent friendship. With Luffy and Usopp, they were actually friends. Heck, they were more like brothers than anything. There's a clear and powerful bond between Luffy and Usopp, which is what made their fight so emotional. Naruto's and Ssauke's fight felt more like a power struggle and a fight against ideals than the fracture of a friendship.
Don't get me wrong though, Naruto did have some powerful, emotioanl moments, but they were few and far between. Jiraiya's death is one of the few really touching moments of the series. Jiraiya is one of the better written characters of hte series, and losing him really felt impactful. He truly cared about not just his godson, but the entire village and entire world, and sacrificed his life to help the world. But then I look at other situations where Kishi clearly wanted the reader to feel sympathetic, like Obito, and it juts didn't work. A lot of Naruto's emotions are the kind of stuff angsty teenagers would appreciate. One Piece's emotions feel like stuff adults could appreciate. The stuff with Robin and Brook, and recently Law, is better than just about anything that came out of Naruto. And Doflamingo feels like a better villain than just about any villain in Naruto, his backstory doesn't make him out to be all emo and angsty the way it is for guys like Pain and Obito. Naruto is geared towards angsty teenagers, which is why it has such an overwhelming following on tumblr. One Piece is geared towards an older audience, and the writing itself is geared towards an older audience, ie the writing is flat out superior.
IMO Naruto made a number of writing mistakes. I think Naruto lost its way when it decided to be about creating world peace rather than Naruto's goal to becoming hokage. I think the first part had some really solid stuff and real emotional stuff. I think the Lee stuff with his leg was sad and emotional. I think Naruto lost much of that after the TS, and where Kishi tried to make the series emotional, it came off as cheesy and just fell like a lead balloon.
But to initial the initial question, the only time I think Naruto had a strong emotional moment that came close to the emotion you can get in OP was Jiraiya's death. You had some sad emotional stuff like Lee getting his leg messed up and the despair that he might never become a ninja, but it was far less than something like Jiraiya's death and much of what we get in OP. They're just different series, one which i think is vastly superior, but that's just my personal opinion.
I honestly don't get how anyone can consider Naruto and Sasuke to be friends. It's stupid as hell and just doesn't make sense. It was one guy who had a desire to get stronger and all that, and another who initially made it his goal to "save" Sasuke to fulfil a promise to his crush, and it eventually became his lifelong goal. They were rivals, but they weren't friends, and it still baffles me how Kishi tried to force this nonexistent friendship. With Luffy and Usopp, they were actually friends. Heck, they were more like brothers than anything. There's a clear and powerful bond between Luffy and Usopp, which is what made their fight so emotional. Naruto's and Ssauke's fight felt more like a power struggle and a fight against ideals than the fracture of a friendship.
Don't get me wrong though, Naruto did have some powerful, emotioanl moments, but they were few and far between. Jiraiya's death is one of the few really touching moments of the series. Jiraiya is one of the better written characters of hte series, and losing him really felt impactful. He truly cared about not just his godson, but the entire village and entire world, and sacrificed his life to help the world. But then I look at other situations where Kishi clearly wanted the reader to feel sympathetic, like Obito, and it juts didn't work. A lot of Naruto's emotions are the kind of stuff angsty teenagers would appreciate. One Piece's emotions feel like stuff adults could appreciate. The stuff with Robin and Brook, and recently Law, is better than just about anything that came out of Naruto. And Doflamingo feels like a better villain than just about any villain in Naruto, his backstory doesn't make him out to be all emo and angsty the way it is for guys like Pain and Obito. Naruto is geared towards angsty teenagers, which is why it has such an overwhelming following on tumblr. One Piece is geared towards an older audience, and the writing itself is geared towards an older audience, ie the writing is flat out superior.
IMO Naruto made a number of writing mistakes. I think Naruto lost its way when it decided to be about creating world peace rather than Naruto's goal to becoming hokage. I think the first part had some really solid stuff and real emotional stuff. I think the Lee stuff with his leg was sad and emotional. I think Naruto lost much of that after the TS, and where Kishi tried to make the series emotional, it came off as cheesy and just fell like a lead balloon.
But to initial the initial question, the only time I think Naruto had a strong emotional moment that came close to the emotion you can get in OP was Jiraiya's death. You had some sad emotional stuff like Lee getting his leg messed up and the despair that he might never become a ninja, but it was far less than something like Jiraiya's death and much of what we get in OP. They're just different series, one which i think is vastly superior, but that's just my personal opinion.
That means Kishi drew the point well- for it was a power struggle too- both trying to make their point about whose vision was more valid. They friendship was not even fracture in the same way. It was right there already. Sasuke had equally compelling reasons to not give up on his goal despite acknowledging Naruto as his friend. In fact he implied that his bonds weaken his resolve so he wanted to neutralize that feeling foremost.
The fight was where Sasuke tried to enforce that brute force and firm decisions to get things done correctly is more viable and lasting option. He even declared he would embrace immortality and stay on ruling like a dictator even if means killing of the people closest to him to avoid their interference. Naruto did two things in that fight- Sasuke noticed that he was withholding when his attacks could be sharper. He could do more damage in such a way that Sasuke could not escalate it but he didn't. Every attack was countered with just enough force. If Naruto tried to use superior force to make Sasuke toe the line then it would have negated the point he was trying to drive at. At least lessened the effect. And that would be Sasuke's win. The result of the fight itself wouldn't matter even he lost in that fight. That's why Sasuke openly admitted his defeat in fight too and Naruto pointed that the fight itself didn't matter.
Secondly he knew Sasuke still had deep anger inside and wanted to lash out at someone, anyone. He agreed to fight alone one on one with him ( he never tries to trick him in joining hands and release the genjutsu.) and bare the anger he had till the fight was taken out of him. It took Naruto a while to understand what Sasuke wanted or needed to do deal with his anger and grief and what he could do for him. And Sasuke realized that too and that's why he compared his gesture with Itachi's. He didn't even take his welcome in the village for granted and realized he need some time away to let everything sink in as well as really see the world and how things were working out. His monologue was really touching unless you just passed by it instead of letting it sink in.
Ussop's reasons were completely different and much of it was just personal disappointment over a loss of a valued and cherished possession. It was moving but nothing complicated there.
Well he is a teen after all. And of course Ussop was not being just 17 for wanting to keep Sunny despite it's condition.
Many would disagree seeing Itachi.
lol OP verse is much more vast and so is the number of characters. But Doflo is the first complicated multilayere villain- and my favourite one so far ^^. Unfortunately both the stories are too different to see parallels. Closest we come to here, is to Madara. He justifies his personal ambitions and actions partly on what he had to suffer somewhat similarly.
How many times you are going to repeat this- can you keep it about the story instead of trying to attack the readers? Is using tumbler a valid argument and an adult and mature approach you are boasting about?
Gee, can you vague that up for me? Although I am yet to read a long weekly serialized perfect on all counts manga.
Oh my! The lead realized that the route to Hokageship is ridden with more complications and varied tasks than in his simple childish dream! That he should know the challenges he will have to face and deal with when he is up there! That there are things he must think about what he would have to keep working on, once he becomes a Hokage!
What will we do like ever!!
Hokage title is not a trophy. The fact Naruto understood the next steps and learned what he would want to do once he is on such a position adds a more mature dimension than a childish dream.
And nope the theme of friendship and then coming through for other despite difference in all the shonnens out there is not cheezy at all. And we should totally ignore that story is driving at inner conflicts of characters and emphasizing on understanding and negotiations is possible rather than a punch from the beginning. Iruka coming for Naruto was not emotional at all.
Of course because that's what going OP for at least 10 years before the plot start to get a distinct structure. ^^
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I was actually referring to the first fight. The second fight was pointless. Both were wrong, but Sasuke was far more wrong. Sasuke's "plan" made absolutely no sense. Naruto was overly idealistc to a fault, but Sasuke was just plain out of his mind. The friendship wasn't fractured because there was no friendship to begin with, which is my entire point. Kishi tried to pull this friendship out of his ass when there was none. They were purely rivals with very little interaction that could be described as a friendly sort of bond. And what Kishi ended up doing to further this idea that they were friend was pull the Asura/Indra stuff out of his rear to cement that point even further. Kishi's biggest issue was that he was trying to create something that wasn't there, trying to make something that didn't need to be made. And it goes much further than this, as I will mention in response to another part of your reply.
It was also a totally different fight, Usopp and Luffy's fight was a minor scuffle that had very little impact on the world, where Naruto and Sasuke's fights were world changing and significantly impacted the plot. Yet despite all that, I was more emotional over Usopp and Luffy's fight. Obviously the Naruto/Sasuke fight, the initial one, was obviously way larger and more epic and all that, but it really didn't bring the emotion. But, again, they're two totally different fights under two totally different circumstances that had very different overall impact on the story.
And despite not being complicated, it brought more feels than nearly every event in Naruto, sans a few. Oda just does a better job at tugging at your heartstrings than Kishi does. Oda also just makes things feel authentic. If you've read One Piece 774, you can see how amazing of a writer Oda is, how in just a 4 page flashback how he can make you feel emotional abut someone you might not have cared all that much about.
I'm referring to the series as a whole. I mean both main protagonists are teenagers. Oda even stated in one of his interviews that One Piece targets 15 year old males. Yet One Piece doesn't feel angsty and emo the way Naruto does. Part of why Naruto is such a hit in the US is because it really hits the angsty teenager demographic. That's why the NaruxHina/NaruxSaku stuff was such a craze with the tumblrinas and stuff. One Piece just feels more mature and geared towards adults, and the emotions feel real and substantial. You just don't get the emotions from Robin's flashback or the Luffy/Usopp fight or the annihalation at Sabaody in Naruto. Kishimoto has tried in numerous situations, like Obito's flashback and Naruto's numerous failures at saving Sasuke, but they just don't work particularly well at all.Well he is a teen after all. And of course Ussop was not being just 17 for wanting to keep Sunny despite it's condition.
Thank you for bringing him up, beacuse Itachi is another example of Kishimoto's pulling stuff out of his butthole. How does Itachi go from killing everyone but Sasuke and being the evil brother to being the good, loyal, and caring brother? It just doesn't make sense. It's like halfway Kishimoto decided that he wanted to make Itachi good. It's because of that ridiculous 180 that the emotions surrounding his character just don't work well. They feel cheap and forced. I like Itachi as a character, but the way Kishi went about it just doesn't make sense to me, and it ruins the whole experience to me.
Except, again, Doflamingo doesn't seem angsty and emo. Instead of being all "why does everyone hate me? Why is the world so messed up? Why does my life have to be like this? Woe is me", Doflamingo is just like "I was put in a crap situation ,and you want me dead, but you aren't going to kill me, I will hunt down each and every one of you, and i will burn you and the entire world around you". Doflamingo is a great villain because he feels like a villain, Oda humanizes him and makes you feel sympathetic towards him without making him seem like a good guy who went the wrong way. That's the biggest issue with Kishi's villains is he somehow wants to make them all good, but have them go down the wrong path, and they end up losing their evilness in the end, mainly because Kishi has most villains be "saved" in the end, perfect example being Kabuto. Oda's villains are great because they stay villains, there isn't any TnJ BS, there isn't any "saving" of the villains, except of course with Bellamy which is pissing everyone off, but he isn't really a villain. Everything about Naruto is "saving" people and all that shonen garbage, and One Piece is beyond that.
One Piece does a good job at expressing that there are good people and bad people, and you just have to accept it, rather than trying to talk down villains, you beat them up. Could you imagine if Naruto went up against Lucci? We'd have 3 chapters of Naruto trying to explain what Lucci is doing is wrong and how the WG is wrong and how just because he had a rough childhood, that doesn't mean he has to be evil, and then all of a sudden Lucci would do a 180 and totally change his ways. It would be atrocious. Could you imagine Luffy doing something like that? Naruto has a 12 year old's totally naive mindset of dealing with villains, where One Piece has a more realistic handling of villains, that some villains are just bad and you have to treat them like rabid dogs and shoot them down.
Yes it is. It's like comparing a children's detective series to Sherlock Holmes. Because Naruto seems to have a child's overly idealistic, naive mindset about the world, you're getting cheesy childish emotions to certain events. I'm using tumblr because it's an angsty teenager's haven. I'm just trying to express that Naruto caters to angsty teenagers with regards to the villains, making them all sad and miserable and seem betrayed about everything Sasuke being the poster child for that, and because of that you get inferior villains because they just don't feel like true villains. I'm just trying to make a point.
I gave a few examples already. How Kishi handled Itachi. How Kishi tried to pull a non-existent friendship between Naruto and Sasuke. How Sakura pretty much became useless. The entire Obito stuff. Naruto not giving up on Sasuke. There are a number of decisions with regards to the writing that many people have issues with, these examples aren't just my personal feelings, many agree with me.
As Naruto said "How can I become hokage if I can't even save a friend?" As I was trying to say, Naruto totally deviated from the desire to become hokage and became all about saving Sasuke and creating world peace. That I think is when Naruto started going downhill, which was in the later stages of the first part throughout the second part.
It's cheesy when the friendship doesn't exist. The best friendship in the entire Naruto series imo is Lee and Guy's friendship. To me, that is a true emotional and beautiful friendship between the two. The whole Naruto/Sasuke/Sakura "friendship" is like a high school drama. pre-TS wtih the Chunin exams was great. It was dark, it was intense, and really had you at the edge of your seat. It was emotional in a fiery intensity combined with being scared/concerned sense, with bits of sadness like when Lee's leg got totally messed up. Early Part 1 Naruto had a very different feel to it. You might like both parts equally, but you can't tell me early part 1 Naruto had the same tone and feel to it that Shippuden did. The way you looked at Naruto as a character was different. The way you looked at Sasuke as a character was different. Initially, Naruto was this loser kid who had no parents and whom everybody hated. Then you find out Naruto was actually the son of the 4th hokage with insane genes who's destined to be the savior (or destroyer) of the world, and it basically takes a giant dump on the speech Naruto had to Neji about destiny. Initially Sasuke was an angry, bitter kid who wanted to serve justice towards his evil brother who killed the entire Uchiha clan outside of him, but then turns into an emo sob story. It was just very different in teh begining.
But it was also very different in the beginning of One Piece. Early One Piece was much more carefree and happy go lucky. People comment all the time about how Zoro practically never laughs anymore, where early on he was far more cheery. The difference is the change isn't nearly as drastic as it was with Naruto, and it still has the One Piece feel, where Naruto almost entirely lost the early part 1 Naruto feel. But many people are concerned about the OP TS, including me. I hope OP doesn't fall apart post-TS the way Naruto did, but we'll have to wait and see.
One Piece has always had decent structure. Its issue imo is that there's too much worldbulding, too many characters, and Oda's starting to have trouble putting it all together. The great thing about OP is it's still all about finding the One Piece treasure. You don't see Luffy trying to create world peace the way Naruto did, and i think that's the big difference between the two.
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I didn't ever read the post fully for I'm running out of time and kind of tired. Just glanced here and there. Just a few points:
How do you define existence of a friendship or lack of it? I don't believe there is a set of definite criteria for people, fictious or not, which they must fill to the T to decide whether they cannot be called friends or not. There are all sorts of friendships and people and their bonds can go very deep whether you understand it or not. Yours or mine validation is simply not required.
Naruto was son of the 4th- it was hinted in chunin exam itself. And there were at least three candidates who could fulfill the prophecy of the Toad sage. Two of them failed but they could have been that if they made a few decisions differently. Same for the transmigration of Indra and Asura. Hashirama could have been the one as well if he dealt with Madara differently. Naruto's word to Neji were childish idealism. Obito made a point of it to drive that message in didn't he? Naruto learns he cannot fix everything all the time and sometimes it's just not enough. But the same thing was noted by Lee in chunin exam itself. He noticed how Sasuke mastered his moves within a month after using sharingan and commented implicitly about the irony of it all. It took a while for Naruto to realize that and it was part of reason of his shock when Neji reminded him his words to him. Lee's life experience was different than Naruto on that count and it was after Neji's fight. In Naruto the description, interpretation and conclusion of same incident or problems changes according to personality thinking and experience of the characters. Different POV and all that. Naruto's journey is towards growth. Before TS he wanted to beat Sasuke up to bring him back. In part 2 he matured enough to figure out that approach won't work. From Jiraiya's death onwards his character gets a lot of growth as his exposure to life and his experience increases.
Either way Neji was still able to take it all in stride because Naruto's words and his father's own assertion helped him see things in different light. The curse was there but he still got to live his life the way he wanted to live and in the end his action was his own decision not a burden. The whole point was people make sacrifices on their own if your bond is strong enough. But forcing it and making them obligated to make sacrifices for you, backfires. For people resent it in the same proportion to the extremity of the terms of the obligation. In the years following the chunnin exams Hiashi had expressed his regret and trained him with Hinata treating him with love and respect he deserved, thus earning that bond.
I don't see anything wrong in handling Itachi. he was actually very well done. No idea what you are complaining about there.
But yea OP had a decent structure and it improved overtime. It's a top selling manga for a reason. lol No one is questioning that part. And why would Daflo even need be an emo? Should all stories be the same? Different stories have characters that fit in that story. I only pointed out that the story is a lot slower and had a very lose plot line and comparatively free verse. Naruto verse is much smaller, and rules are more strict thus in turn limiting it. It's challenges are different. Both writers had different stories with their manga. I don't really compare them for I enjoy both for different reasons and I do not look for same elements in both.
You seem to have not been interested in the kind of story Naruto was but that itself doesn't make it bad by default. Half the Naruto's charm was no matter what fanbase always splits in half and support a counter view. ^^ So your response is not unexpected either.
Anyway this angsty teen girl on tumbler is leaving for now. She must write some love letters addressed to fading moon in the sky on black sheet using her blood as ink and tears as thinner. She already has done enough self harm and wrist slitting for today by trying to make such a post in here.
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