[Discussion] Luffy takes a MF gauntlet

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Luffy couldn't defeat an injured Doffy on his own, but he's gonna defeat a healthy Doffy on his own? Riiight
He can finish him off before the G4 time limit, Doffy can't do anything to G4 Luffy like nothing at all to hurt him. If they were to fight again both healthy Luffy will beat him cuz now he knows he has to use attacks like KKG for a finisher.
 

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He can finish him off before the G4 time limit, Doffy can't do anything to G4 Luffy like nothing at all to hurt him. If they were to fight again both healthy Luffy will beat him cuz now he knows he has to use attacks like KKG for a finisher.
No he can't. If that was the case, he would have done so to Doffy at Dressrosa. Doffy also now has knowledge that his attacks won't affect Luffy while he is in G4. Doffy will use Awakening and flight to evade Luffy the entire time(he was able to outspeed him while injured). Even if Luffy can deliver the same beat down, he will time out before he can finish Doffy. Without Gatz there to help him, Luffy is killed.
 

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No he can't. If that was the case, he would have done so to Doffy at Dressrosa. Doffy also now has knowledge that his attacks won't affect Luffy while he is in G4. Doffy will use Awakening and flight to evade Luffy the entire time(he was able to outspeed him while injured). Even if Luffy can deliver the same beat down, he will time out before he can finish Doffy. Without Gatz there to help him, Luffy is killed.
But he could have finished it first time in G4 if he used KKG instead of Leo bazooka. He can't avoid Luffy otherwise he wouldn't have took that beat down at Dressrosa. Luffy's able to break through Doffy strings easily, so he's main defense is useless. Couple of attacks like KKG and Doffy will get KOed.
 

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But he could have finished it first time in G4 if he used KKG instead of Leo bazooka. He can't avoid Luffy otherwise he wouldn't have took that beat down at Dressrosa. Luffy's able to break through Doffy strings easily, so he's main defense is useless. Couple of attacks like KKG and Doffy will get KOed.
That's also not true. KKG isn't some super move that is guaranteed to fall an enemy. KKG by itself isn't as strong as 51 minutes of beatdown. It is a massively powerful blow, yes, but it is still one blow and can't be compared to Luffy throwing all of his arsenal at you in an almost-hour-long beatdown. If KKG was the first thing Luffy used, Doffy would not have fell unconscious. It also isn't Leo Bazooka that stunned Luffy and caused him to repair himself with strings again, it's the entire beatdown Luffy inflicted.

KKG also seems to be a one-shot maneuver, as G4 ended right after Luffy delivered it. It could be because he was so tired when he did it, or on purpose, granted. But Doffy can just fly around it and avoid getting struck by Luffy at all, especially when he's healthy. Doffy wouldn't be able to land many hits on Doffy once Doffy has knowledge of how his attacks work, how his attacks will affect him, and how long G4 will last. Luffy just isn't strong enough for Doffy yet.
 

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That's also not true. KKG isn't some super move that is guaranteed to fall an enemy. KKG by itself isn't as strong as 51 minutes of beatdown. It is a massively powerful blow, yes, but it is still one blow and can't be compared to Luffy throwing all of his arsenal at you in an almost-hour-long beatdown. If KKG was the first thing Luffy used, Doffy would not have fell unconscious. It also isn't Leo Bazooka that stunned Luffy and caused him to repair himself with strings again, it's the entire beatdown Luffy inflicted.

KKG also seems to be a one-shot maneuver, as G4 ended right after Luffy delivered it. It could be because he was so tired when he did it, or on purpose, granted. But Doffy can just fly around it and avoid getting struck by Luffy at all, especially when he's healthy. Doffy wouldn't be able to land many hits on Doffy once Doffy has knowledge of how his attacks work, how his attacks will affect him, and how long G4 will last. Luffy just isn't strong enough for Doffy yet.
I'm not saying he's gonna one shot him with KKG, give him a beat down with regular G4 attacks those obviously hurt him too and finish it with an attack like KKG. Luffy stated that they're monsters while training that can tank G4 attacks like nothing, but he tamed all of them after attacks like KKG. Base Luffy's strength multiplies x amount when he uses g3, he multiplies the same x amount when he uses g3 in g4 state.

And Doffy can't fly around it it was way too fast, he hasn't been able to show that he can dodge attacks where Luffy retracts his arm inside.

He barely beat injured Doffy with 10min pause...
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Ace>Iva
Jozu>Mingo
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Mingo was portrayed as above Jozu. Held him off with Parasite and broke out of a stronger version of the attack that defeated Jozu.
I'm not saying he's gonna one shot him with KKG, give him a beat down with regular G4 attacks those obviously hurt him too and finish it with an attack like KKG. Luffy stated that they're monsters while training that can tank G4 attacks like nothing, but he tamed all of them after attacks like KKG. Base Luffy's strength multiplies x amount when he uses g3, he multiplies the same x amount when he uses g3 in g4 state.

And Doffy can't fly around it it was way too fast, he hasn't been able to show that he can dodge attacks where Luffy retracts his arm inside.
Doffy can fly out of range while it's retracted. Doffy was able to move around Luffy so fast, Luffy's reaction didn't catch up until after Doffy stopped moving. He can use those speed feats regularly while healthy.
 

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Doffy can fly out of range while it's retracted. Doffy was able to move around Luffy so fast, Luffy's reaction didn't catch up until after Doffy stopped moving. He can use those speed feats regularly while healthy.
Luffy could see him he even looked at him when he dodged his calvary cannon, but he knew Doffy's attack wouldn't hurt him thats why he said "like that will work" and he knew his cannon was gonna hit Doffy. Which Doffy could not dodge
 

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Luffy could see him he even looked at him when he dodged his calvary cannon, but he knew Doffy's attack wouldn't hurt him thats why he said "like that will work" and he knew his cannon was gonna hit Doffy. Which Doffy could not dodge
No he didn't. Luffy didn't notice him until Doffy made it all the way around him. That's why didn't turn his head until after Doffy stopped moving, and why he didn't leave the stance. Doffy moved too fast for Luffy's body to even physically react until after he stopped moving.
 
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