[Discussion] Luffy can't beat Doflamingo as he is.

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Okay so this weeks chapter gave us new insight into how Doffy and Luffy match up and for the first time since probably Rob Lucci, Luffy has come up against a foe who is physically as strong or stronger than him. If you look at some of his past opponents, it could be said that the likes of Crocodile, Enel, Magellan, Smoker etc who all gave him a rough time were weaker than Luffy in terms of pure physical strength (disregarding abilities) but held the advantage over him because they has fearsome abilities such as Crocodile's sand manipulation, Magellan's poison and Smoker's intangibility.

However, in comes Doffy. I've seen many people on the base claiming that Doffy's fruit is a bad match up for Luffy and he has shown no ways of blocking it. Yet even then, if Doflamingo was to fight Luffy purely with his physical abilities (punches/kicks etc), from what we've seen this chapter, Doflamingo would still mid dif Luffy at best.

Doffy took one of Luffy's strongest attacks, without arming himself with buso haki and was able to get up without any problems. The middle left panel shows that Luffy was in gear second when he did the Red Hawk so it should be on a different level to the attack that hit Hody Jones and yet Doffy shrugged it off like it was nothing.
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This panel shows Doffy's haki matching up against Luffy's. It's a clear win for Doffy showing that in terms of pure physical fighting prowess, Luffy can't beat Doffy, never mind Doffy's strings.
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So basically without a powerup or the activation of some yet unseen ability, Luffy has no hope of even challenging Doflamingo on a physical level and it's likely that even Luffy and Law together as Luffy is now couldn't beat Doflamingo because of the vast difference in physical ability.
 
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Agreed. That's what it seems at least but I'm sure Luffy still has a clever trick to use. He's gotten stronger but it still feels like he hasn't gone all out yet. Even then, I think Luffy's best will still fall short to Mingo but I think another tactic will be used to put down Mingo. It's gonna be interesting to see how he gets taken down when Luffy is the clear underdog here. Hopefully Law has another plan in mind.
 
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Lufy used Gear 2 against Hody btw.

But I agree with one thing, Doflamingo outclasses Luffy in speed and strength. So how will Luffy beat Doflamingo? With Law. They're gonna 2 vs 1 him. Their mistake was consecutive assaults on Doflamingo, they need to not attack one after the other, but at the same time.
 

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Lufy used Gear 2 against Hody btw.

But I agree with one thing, Doflamingo outclasses Luffy in speed and strength. So how will Luffy beat Doflamingo? With Law. They're gonna 2 vs 1 him. Their mistake was consecutive assaults on Doflamingo, they need to not attack one after the other, but at the same time.
My bad, forgot about that.
 

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Law and Luffy haven't gone all out. The fact that he used his strongest attack (argueably) in the beginning of the fight proves that he has something even bigger in store for DD.

I don't think Luffy and Law will surpass DD during this fight, i think they'll beat him by making a plan and landing some powerful attack.

Maybe Law will take DD's heart.
 

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He takes pride in his legs, he is a natural foot fighter with an additional devil fruit and Haki.

So his legs are stronger than base Luffy's fist.

Doffy's armor Haki is better Luffy as well, Law stood a better chance than luffy because of intel/familiarity.

Now let's see how second gear luffy will fair off against doffy, the only problem is that he can't expand in armors Haki.


In all his fights he always expands first than cover Haki on.

So third gear+second gear attacks laced in Haki is out of the question.
 

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He takes pride in his legs, he is a natural foot fighter with an additional devil fruit and Haki.

So his legs are stronger than base Luffy's fist.

Doffy's armor Haki is better Luffy as well, Law stood a better chance than luffy because of intel/familiarity.

Now let's see how second gear luffy will fair off against doffy, the only problem is that he can't expand in armors Haki.


In all his fights he always expands first than cover Haki on.

So third gear+second gear attacks laced in Haki is out of the question.
His Haki laced fists can still expand.
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Koka gives his skin the same hard feeling of steel, but it doesn't actually make it like steel, things coated in Haki don't lose their ability to bend. Luffy can't exhale air into an arm coated with Koka because he can't bite through it, but if Luffy has Koka on his right hand, he can expand it by blowing air into his left hand and switching it to his right hand.
 

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I have a gut feeling that DD isn't going to prison for either of 2 theories.

1) He makes a double out of strings which he leads Fuji on to believe is actually him. When they sail across the sea, it eventually just turns into a lump of strings, then Fuji will know he got played. He may even create doubles for his executives/ important underlings.
2) He uses whatever power he did to fool the world that he resigned from the shichibukai.

In the end I think Luffy and him will have a rematch and its gonna be just Luffy vs DD, no Law.
This will set up a rematch for Pica vs Zoro.
A possible Sanji vs Trebol/Diamante set up
A possible NN (Jinbei) vs Trebol/Diamante
So we get to see more action from everyone like an EL.
 
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If you think luffy is going to lose to DD you flippn i dont know what CRAZY, luffy just came back from a 2 year training to kick new world-big mom butt to flippn Enel on his damn fairy vearth and after Marineford and losing ACE you think luffys gonna lose to DD i love DD and even more after knowing alittle about his past but he aint gonna drop luffy down
 
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