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[Discussion] Luffy and zoro vs doflamingo and vergo
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The only reason Luffy is managing with Doffy right now is because of Law. I highly doubt Zoro can do the same thing to Doffy that Law could. Doffy would high diff Luffy if Vergo keeps Zoro occupied. Vergo was portrayed as stronger than Pica, so I think his Koka would be stronger as well, so Zoro cutting Pica may not mean he can cut Vergo. Not to mention, Vergo actually has good combat abilities, unlike Pica. His ability to fly would give him a bit of an advantage.
Doffy would probably separate himself and Luffy from Vergo and Zoro and use clones to overwhelm them.
Doffy would probably separate himself and Luffy from Vergo and Zoro and use clones to overwhelm them.
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Zoro has mountain level slashes. Vergo hasn't shown enough to suggest he could survive that.
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zoro vs vergo is mid-high diff win for zoro imo
the problem is luffy vs dofla considering it still ongoing so no can tell for sure how this match is going to be setteld
but by current feats
luffy or zoro mid-high diffs vergo while dd mid diffs the other then he procceds to mid diff whoever that won against vergo
team doflamingo wins.. i expect this to change in about 4 chapters though
the problem is luffy vs dofla considering it still ongoing so no can tell for sure how this match is going to be setteld
but by current feats
luffy or zoro mid-high diffs vergo while dd mid diffs the other then he procceds to mid diff whoever that won against vergo
team doflamingo wins.. i expect this to change in about 4 chapters though
Luffy and Zoro win mid diff
Zoro easily destroys Vergo, he doesn't stand a chance against Zoro.
After seeing luffy volley some attacks on doflamingo like that just by using Haki alone (no gear two yet), it's clear that it's going to be a long fight.
Seeing Vergo as a non factor, luffy and Zoro takes Doffy by mid difficulty.
Zoro easily destroys Vergo, he doesn't stand a chance against Zoro.
After seeing luffy volley some attacks on doflamingo like that just by using Haki alone (no gear two yet), it's clear that it's going to be a long fight.
Seeing Vergo as a non factor, luffy and Zoro takes Doffy by mid difficulty.
Zorro would defeat Vergo, then he and Luffy would tear Doflamingo apart.
Doflamingo can go one on one with either of them, he could defeat Zorro on his own and as for Luffy that remains to be seen. But he can't fight both of them at the same time, he would be torn apart.
Doflamingo can go one on one with either of them, he could defeat Zorro on his own and as for Luffy that remains to be seen. But he can't fight both of them at the same time, he would be torn apart.
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Or Doflamingo uses a clone and takes control of Zoro to overwhelm Luffy, but ya know
Doflamingo is stronger than Luffy. However Zoro is stronger than Vergo. A hakiless mountain level cutter finished Vergo. Sanzen Sekai is a multi mountain level cutter and not even Zoro's full power(no Asura). I see personally no reason why Vergo is considered a level above Pica w/ stones(golem), so Zoro will defeat him. It would depend on how long Luffy can hold himself against Doffy the time Zoro defeats Vergo, so it can go either way
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I find it kind of funny how when people were saying that Law's cut was better than Zoro's, you were saying it ignores durability and can cut anything due to its nature. Now you're saying it's a Hakiless cut to discredit Vergo, as though imbuing Haki into it would make it better, as though it isn't already a cut that ignores durability and doesn't do damage so imbuing Haki wouldn't matter.
Actual combat abilities(Rokushiki and free-form) while Pica was garbage, so by portrayal he's better.
Not very long. Doffy was manhandling Luffy, only reason he's doing good now is because of Law's powers, something a Luffy-Zoro team-up doesn't have.
Manhandling?
You mean when Dolfamingo had someone he could use as a shield or another person helping him?
So far everytime Luffy encounters Doflamingo he has someone he can use as a shield or help from Trebol.
This chapter was the first one on one confrontation, so there hasn't been any manhandling.
And as I recall Pica was established as being one of the strongest subordinate that Doflamingo had along with Trebol and Diamante, that means he is stronger than or equal to Vergo.
In fact it was remarked that each of them alone is capable of single handily defeating the army of Dressrosa.
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Yeah, manhandling. As in, when he *****-slapped Luffy with his leg and had him tied up.
Having another person as a shield means nothing when Doffy has shown he is capable of dodging that kick from Luffy. He used Bellamy as a shield out of sadism, not necessity. Having someone else fighting with him also means nothing, seeing as Luffy and Law intended to double team him.
And so far, Luffy only landed hits on Doffy because of his teamwork with Law.
Nope, that was a misconception. Pica was called the ¨Highest Executive." While it was later revealed that anyone in the Suit seats bear this title, as the Suit Executives have subordinates with the title of executive as well, at the time Pica was called so, this information was not revealed, leading the fandom to think it was a title exclusive to Pica to mean he was the strongest executive. Even if it did mean Pica was the strongest:
1. Vergo is dead, so he no longer counts anyway
2. He's a former seat holder, so he no longer counts anyway
3. The people that called him that most likely don't even know about Vergo's position as a crewmember
Yeah sure its all because of Law, the guy who just said last chapter that he wouldn't be able to look his crew in the eye again if he let Luffy defeat both Doflamingo and Trebol by himself, only after seeing Luffy trade blows with Doflamingo.
Clearly he disagrees.
There is no evidence that Law's attack so much as slowed Doflamingo down, it wasn't commented on and Doflamingo showed no further signs of pain or coughing up blood except when punched by Luffy and everyone does that after being punched hard, damage to internal organs or not.
And Doflamingo had Trebol's help in the fights against Luffy and Law, so clearly he needed an advantage as well, or did you forget that time that Luffy gave Doflamingo that punch after being moved by Law was because Doflamingo was using a person as a shield.
While Doflamingo is currently stronger than Luffy, Luffy has been keeping up even without Law.
And back to Pica and the main topic, the four executives are all at least rival powers and Zorro tore Pica apart, if he can do that he can defeat Vergo.
And in the scenario suggested by the first post, Luffy and Zorro together would shred Dolfamingo right after Zorro defeated Vergo.