[VS] Lucci vs Crocodile

[OG sama]

How is Croc going to be on Doflamingos level when many people believe the SNs aren't with two years of training?
Croc doesn't need to be on Mingos level, what significance would that hold? A past defeated Villain getting the spotlight just so his plans can fail again. That makes sense story wise to some of you? Its redundant.

Croc can be stronger than his MF self without being Doflamingo level and this same thing can go for Lucci.

 

[ToshiZO]

Well i will believe it only when i see it :eww: Because last time i checked, he wasn't included among the main guys in this throne wars

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There is little chance for that retcon you're talking about to happen. Like i've said before, the best i see from Crocodile is to remain dangerous through the search of ancient weapons. At worse, he would just be a side character appearing here and there. Oda can make mistakes here and there but he isn't that incoherant of an author(like Kishi) for me to believe otherwise

Even after Crocodile's defeat, he implied through fellow shichibukais(Kuma) that Lucci was more dangerous and in an SBS, he said that even knowing the baroque works organization, he would be at 150Millions or so. I really see nothing that suggest he'd grow that strong

The throne wars had Buggy included in it just so you know. Thats because it had 5 parties
1.Yonkou
2.Shichibukai
3.Worst Gen
4.Marines
5.Revolutionaries.

Crocodile is not included in any of these parties so he had no reason to be in that picture.

The retcon already started in MF its only gonna get worse. You will see Moriah will get one as well. All in all Oda will try his best to defend the Shichibukai from looking like fodder below the likes of even coliseum fighters.

 

[MickNerks]

If Croc is in the same league as Mihawk, then he is an admiral/Yonko level fighter, doesn't matter if he isn't as strong as Mihawk. Croc attacked Doflamingo with his hook and Doflamingo casually blocked it, how does that put Croc on Doffy's level? 1st division commander =/= first mate.

Well I dont consider admiral and yonko to be in the same tier, so thats were we differ on that. Yonko IMO are stronger that admirals. I also dont think Mihawk is yonko level, he is admiral level. Doflomingo is not admiral level or Yonko level, which is the league I was comparing Crocodile to, I should have explained myself more clearly. I stated that the war HINTED they were on the same level by the dialog, threats, and actions between the two men.

Normally the First Mate is the first person to join your crew. That is the only person who should be trusted to lead your first division. By you stating 1st division commander =/= 1st Mate you a stating that Marco is not whitebeards first mate even though he is the 1st division commander which IMO doesnt make since. Shiliew was one of the last people to join the blackbeard pirates so he CANT be a FIRST MATE.

 

[Bogard]

The throne wars had Buggy included in it just so you know. Thats because it had 5 parties
1.Yonkou
2.Shichibukai
3.Worst Gen
4.Marines
5.Revolutionaries.

Crocodile is not included in any of these parties so he had no reason to be in that picture.

The retcon already started in MF its only gonna get worse. You will see Moriah will get one as well. All in all Oda will try his best to defend the Shichibukai from looking like fodder below the likes of even coliseum fighters.

But here is the point. Oda showed these parties because they are the most importants when it will come down to rule the seas. The other existing parties are minor or silver medalists. That's why they aren't included. Same goes for Crocodile. I do think Moria will be relevant again since he had a past with Kaido, maybe stronger than the coloseum guys like you said, but it may not necessarily be to the point he could rival the greatest ones of this generation in strength. I think he may however help someone like Luffy to go Monster Luffy again in his fight against Kaido(but this time he could control it since he is much stronger than in Thriller Bark) or something along those lines, but i guess time will tell. I have no issue in them becoming stronger, but only as long as it doesn't become incoherant like them growing stronger than youngster or vastly more powerful than their previous self despite already be veterans without any good explanation. At least for Moria we could understand a little since he has already be mentioned by Doflamingo to have become too weak compared to before, which suggest he was much stronger before and could be come back to his former self if he returns to form, but i see no reasons for Crocodile


As for Buggy, i'd like to add that he has the most dangerous ablity in the pirate world but used in a comedic fashion, that allowed him to gather a dangerous group from Impel Down to the point even WB said it would be trouble to deal with them alongside the marines. I think it's for that reason he was even accepted in the Shichibukai's group and in this throne of wars. I believe Buggy is one of the characters Oda created to show his ascension happening with anything outside his personal individual strength. It started from East Blue, continued with Alliance with Alvida, becoming Shichibukai and already showed the intention to become a yonko or pirate king, so it's for comedic relief, but he'd grow in the story this way

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Well I dont consider admiral and yonko to be in the same tier, so thats were we differ on that. Yonko IMO are stronger that admirals. I also dont think Mihawk is yonko level, he is admiral level. Doflomingo is not admiral level or Yonko level, which is the league I was comparing Crocodile to, I should have explained myself more clearly. I stated that the war HINTED they were on the same level by the dialog, threats, and actions between the two men.

Normally the First Mate is the first person to join your crew. That is the only person who should be trusted to lead your first division. By you stating 1st division commander =/= 1st Mate you a stating that Marco is not whitebeards first mate even though he is the 1st division commander. Which IMO doesnt make since. Shiliew was one of the last people to join the blackbeard pirates so he CANT be a FIRST MATE.

You don't have to be the first member in order to be the first mate. Do you seriously think the Marco of the BB Pirates would get low diffed by Sabo?

 

[MickNerks]

You don't have to be the first member in order to be the first mate. Do you seriously think the Marco of the BB Pirates would get low diffed by Sabo?

@Bold: Do you mean of the Whitebeard Pirates?

I never mentioned Marco or Sabo fighting, so im confused where you go this from.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

@Bold: Do you mean of the Whitebeard Pirates?

I never mentioned Marco or Sabo fighting, so im confused where you go this from.

If Burgess is the first mate, then he is on Marco level. Sabo wouldn't have low diffed Burgess if he was the first mate.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Why do people assume guys as old a Crocodile got a Power up? Same for Akainu? These guys are 40+ I think it's fair to say they maxxed their df powers out already.​

 

[Akuma]

If Burgess is the first mate, then he is on Marco level. Sabo wouldn't have low diffed Burgess if he was the first mate.

What? How does the logic in the bold work? Are you suggesting being a first mate is an actual power level?

OT: Crocodile negged Luffy 2 times fatally, before their final clash in which Luffy emerged victorious, though tbh it seemed more like a draw. Let's not forget Ryukushu air blasts and shigan, etc . Don't have any effect on Croc's Sand body, neither does Lucci posses Haki. Making it an mid dif win for Croc pre-timeskip.

Post ts, I imagine Croc has Haki now, and a potential awakening. No doubt, he will be stronger than Lucci as well

 

[MickNerks]

If Burgess is the first mate, then he is on Marco level. Sabo wouldn't have low diffed Burgess if he was the first mate.

What does burgess being a first mate (division commander) have to do with Marco. Surely your not trying to compare the strength of two pirates based off their rank in the crew. By your logic Rayleigh should also be on the same level as Jesus Burgess and Marco, or even Benn Beckman.

Both Marco and Jesus have been labeled as The first division commanders of their respective crew, that doesnt mean they are on the same level.

 

[Nemo Uzumaki]

I agreed but if Luffy belated Lucci with gear 2 the Lucci would be about g3 by now

 

[Portgas D Xatch]

In scenario one you greatly cripple any advantage croc may have against the non haki wielding lucci, since your allowing croc to be hit, and lucci has a clear physical advantage I give scenario one to lucci.

In scenario two, assuming after the time skip both people got stronger I'm leaning towards crocodile winning and hears why. 1. Lucci is a government employee, his time skip would be spent gathering Intel and doing his job, which isn't always fighting. Croc on the other hand has probably spent the skip fighting. Fighting for his namesake, for a new crew, and a spot in the new world. 2. Differences in df abilities. I'll go flat out and say I think zoan type are all underwhelming with maybe marco/drake as the only exception. If croc was able to strengthen an already powerful df skill he will have a big advantage against a very flat straight forward fighters lucci will be. 3. Haki I assume they both developed it, and its probably about equal of each other so that's a wash...so round two goes to crocodile

Too chime in on a few other comments.

I don't think age should really come into play when it comes to power development. If they train they will improve.

Doffy is not yonko level, if he was why would laws plan to pit him against kaido even be plausible...he's probably more on admiral tier since he went toe to toe with fuji and didn't seem too concerned...

 

[shivjee]

i will go with croc
i have very hopes for him .he has one hell of the DF , just 1 hit & game over
do you think he land a hit on lucci
and yes don't talk about luffy defeating croc it's just the requirement of story

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Alabasta Luffy defeated Crocodile

Main character +
Luck +
Plot devices=
Croc losing

Feats + facts + logic = croc 1 hit k.o victory