Long Range Kamui transmits chakra to target first before warping

[Senju Bean]

Chakra is the connection between Jutsu and effect. The only reason Nagato was able to control the 6 bodies of pain was because he transmitted chakra to them. The only reason the flames of Amaterasu spawns on the target was that chakra is transmitted from the Sharingan to the target and molded in such a way as to create a fire release.

Fact is, without chakra, a technique cannot be molded since all techniques themselves are molded from chakra. If not, it would be like magic; action at a distance without anything to connect the dots.


Assume for argument that chakra is molded within the body, but the Kamui barrier simply forms by itself at a distance,
this is illogical since there would be no connection between the chakra molded in the users body and the barrier itself. We can't say that the barrier simply came out of nowhere just because a person activated at jutsu. There must be something connecting the dots. Like a remote control uses EM waves, a long ranged kamui uses chakra.


Therefore the long range Kamui transmits chakra to the target in order to mold the barrier to commence the warping.

 

[accept pain]

i completely agree and came to a decision on that nagato can counter kamui with mid difficulty...obit's kamui can't one shot nagato

 

[Lamb]

Yes this is right.

 

[KCMNaruto]

i completely agree and came to a decision on that nagato can counter kamui with mid difficulty...obit's kamui can't one shot nagato

Exactly, more people begin to see this fact , nice

Yes this is right.

Yeah, someone finally proved my point

Chakra is the connection between Jutsu and effect. The only reason Nagato was able to control the 6 bodies of pain was because he transmitted chakra to them. The only reason the flames of Amaterasu spawns on the target was that chakra is transmitted from the Sharingan to the target and molded in such a way as to create a fire release.

Fact is, without chakra, a technique cannot be molded since all techniques themselves are molded from chakra. If not, it would be like magic; action at a distance without anything to connect the dots.


Assume for argument that chakra is molded within the body, but the Kamui barrier simply forms by itself at a distance,
this is illogical since there would be no connection between the chakra molded in the users body and the barrier itself. We can't say that the barrier simply came out of nowhere just because a person activated at jutsu. There must be something connecting the dots. Like a remote control uses EM waves, a long ranged kamui uses chakra.


Therefore the long range Kamui transmits chakra to the target in order to mold the barrier to commence the warping.

Yes, finally more people with brain and great mind power come here again into Narutobase I was really tired of trolls or idiotic threads popping up everywhere.

Exactly The same principle applies to Amaterasu, long-range Kamui and Rinbo Hengoku as well.

Doujutsu long-range Techniques work by sending built up chakra at certain point of space where the user focus his eyes on. At this certain point chakra is transfered through thin air then manifested in different shapes and forms. For Amaterasu it spawn in shape of black flames, for Kamui it enevlopes target with Space time barrier while in Rinbo Hengoku most likely(we lack enough amount of info about it) it is manifested as condensed push force which get released but can be remotely controled over distance.

The only arguable case would if Preta Path can disrupt technique or chakra molding forcing enemy to cancel it or resign from attacking while sucking his/her chakra or it can not and enemy still can mantain his chakra over technique or prepare new to interrupt Preta path absorption technique

Anyway, excellent thread. It just gives all needed info with nice simple explanation which proves to be correct. Keep it up

 

[Sunagura]

yes, that what it does and all other jutsu.

 

[accept pain]

As explained by KCMNaruto , there is no technique in NV which is a work of a magic....chakra is everywhere

 

[adeshina365]

I've always thought that this was the case. If a Shinobi has a means of absorbing chakra, they can block/inhibit the formation of the Kamui dimensional hole; but to accomplish that, the Shinobi has to have sensing/precognition abilities or they won't be able to react in time to absorb the chakra.

 

[Owarij]

Meh, Had this argument a long time with some forum members... Was trying to explain this point to them.. I believe it was why something like Yata mirror would possibly defend against Kamui... The logic behind it was that the barrier can't possibly just appear.. chakra has to be sent to the affected area.. Just as genjutsu works ....

Yamanaka don't just appear in your head... They , according to the databook, Propel their mental energy towards you.... Kamui has to work in a similar manner.. otherwise its no longer even ninjutsu, it's magic ...

Kakashi wouldn't be able to send kamui behind a wall unless it had a clear path to the other side.. Yata mirror is exactly that, a transparent wall, that blocks chakra...

If that is true, then a jutsu like Preta path would be able to essentially disrupt the barrier's creation

We've literally seen Kakashi building up chakra to use Kamui.. where exactly do you think that chakra goes?

 

[Xlad]

I think you're right in a way.

 

[Gold Lightning]

May or may not be right, still just speculation and not fact unless kishi says so.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Meh, Had this argument a long time with some forum members... Was trying to explain this point to them.. I believe it was why something like Yata mirror would possibly defend against Kamui... The logic behind it was that the barrier can't possibly just appear.. chakra has to be sent to the affected area.. Just as genjutsu works ....

Yamanaka don't just appear in your head... They , according to the databook, Propel their mental energy towards you.... Kamui has to work in a similar manner.. otherwise its no longer even ninjutsu, it's magic ...

Kakashi wouldn't be able to send kamui behind a wall unless it had a clear path to the other side.. Yata mirror is exactly that, a transparent wall, that blocks chakra...

If that is true, then a jutsu like Preta path would be able to essentially disrupt the barrier's creation

We've literally seen Kakashi building up chakra to use Kamui.. where exactly do you think that chakra goes?

Well I could agree with that

Actually I think Yata Mirror is special item which is enhanced with Onmyoudon abilities to render any ninjutsu ineffective, but somehow it can repel physical attacks aka taijutsu also..., idl about Genjutsu.

However I keep believe Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade although are not chakra weapons themselves then they still require chakra to fuel them to be used...

But this is another topic, so I am not going to debate about it here

 

[AlphaScythian]

This is lame attempt to shatter kamui OPness.
There is no proof that kamui wormhole is chakra based thus could be absorbed.
Does ST use chakra as repelling force? No.
Does bansho tenin use chakra as moving force? No
Do sealing techniques use chakra to force target into seal? No
Can yin release be absorbed? No.
Is it chakra that rewrites shit in izanagi? No

All these and more techniques they all use chakra but the mechanic behind them is beyond chakra laws and physics.
Chakra is nothing but energy here.

 

[KCMNaruto]

This is lame attempt to shatter kamui OPness.
There is no proof that kamui wormhole is chakra based thus could be absorbed.
Does ST use chakra as repelling force? No.
Does bansho tenin use chakra as moving force? No
Do sealing techniques use chakra to force target into seal? No
Can yin release be absorbed? No.
Is it chakra that rewrites shit in izanagi? No

All these and more techniques they all use chakra but the mechanic behind them is beyond chakra laws and physics.
Chakra is nothing but energy here.

Shinra Tensei uses chakra to create chakra projected push force
Bansho Tennin uses chakra to create chakra projected pulling force which drawn you towards RG user
Sealing techniques does NOT need to use chakra to force target into seal because chakra is just needed inside scroll or when jutsu is executed for the jutsu to work on it's own. Now you may states same about Kamui, however Sealing techniques are close-range most likely so user stays still in direct contact with technique trasfering chakra into it if there is need in Kamui's case it couldn't work as that because it is LONG-RANGE attack which WOULD NOT MAKE sense if appearing in random place without trace of chakra.

Yin release can not be absorbed but only yin and yang elements are special as they are ingredients to create the world itself. Besides Second Mizukage reffered to Yin release as Genjutsu but Kamui is still Ninjutsu but special kind Space Time Ninjutsu.

No, But the Izanagi is again close range technique so chakra is only need to execute the technique and then technique can work on it's own.

Conclusion: You can argue about close-range Kamui Wrapping you not being manifested with chakra but long-range Kamui COULD NOT EXIST if this was not true.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Shinra Tensei uses chakra to create chakra projected push force
Bansho Tennin uses chakra to create chakra projected pulling force which drawn you towards RG user

Blatant speculation! Gravity isnt related to chakra in any way shape or form. Get proof or GTFO

Sealing techniques does NOT need to use chakra to force target into seal because chakra is just needed inside scroll or when jutsu is executed for the jutsu to work on it's own. Now you may states same about Kamui, however Sealing techniques are close-range most likely so user stays still in direct contact with technique trasfering chakra into it if there is need in Kamui's case it couldn't work as that because it is LONG-RANGE attack which WOULD NOT MAKE sense if appearing in random place without trace of chakra.

Doesnt matter if seals are close range, for some magic reason it makes juubi trapped (clearly not the chakra forced it)

Does rinbo hengoku have a chakra trace?

Yin release can not be absorbed but only yin and yang elements are special as they are ingredients to create the world itself. Besides Second Mizukage reffered to Yin release as Genjutsu but Kamui is still Ninjutsu but special kind Space Time Ninjutsu.

Yata is ninjutsu as well however it has no physical form and could be considered yin release that has physical effect. Izanagi is yin release as well but oh wait it can deny death.

No, But the Izanagi is again close range technique so chakra is only need to execute the technique and then technique can work on it's own.

I need a bias translator here. WTF do you even mean by this? and how does it explains my question? So being close range one can screw death now? JUST 100% BS

Conclusion: You can argue about close-range Kamui Wrapping you not being manifested with chakra but long-range Kamui COULD NOT EXIST if this was not true.

Translation: Kamui solos my fave so ima speculate alot.

 

[Owarij]

Blatant speculation! Gravity isnt related to chakra in any way shape or form. Get proof or GTFO

? This is a manga called naruto , 95% of things in it is related to chakra...You do understand what ninjutsu is right? You're asking him for evidence when the Burden of Proof is on you who is making the claim that it doesn't involve it

Yata is ninjutsu

Yata is not ninjutsu and has never been stated to be ninjutsu

 

[EZQ]

Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that Nagato wouldn't be in time to use preta path on it... Too fast for him anyways.

 

[AlphaScythian]

? This is a manga called naruto , 95% of things in it is related to chakra...You do understand what ninjutsu is right? You're asking him for evidence when the Burden of Proof is on you who is making the claim that it doesn't involve it

5% isnt. Good enough for me
LOL? burden on proof is on him as i listed other jutsus that are powered by chakra but mechanic isnt chakra based.
I honestly never expected some1 like you to embrace such idea w/o any kind of basis from manga.

Yata is not ninjutsu and has never been stated to be ninjutsu

Was never stated but it comes in pack with susanoo which is ninjutsu.

 

[TrollingSage]

This is lame attempt to shatter kamui OPness.
There is no proof that kamui wormhole is chakra based thus could be absorbed.
Does ST use chakra as repelling force? No.
Does bansho tenin use chakra as moving force? No
Do sealing techniques use chakra to force target into seal? No
Can yin release be absorbed? No.
Is it chakra that rewrites shit in izanagi? No

All these and more techniques they all use chakra but the mechanic behind them is beyond chakra laws and physics.
Chakra is nothing but energy here.

Exactly this. In the case of Kamui I would say chakra is simply the power source that enables Obito to bend space and time to his will.

 

[OnPoint]

Exactly this. In the case of Kamui I would say chakra is simply the power source that enables Obito to bend space and time to his will.

I'm inclined to agree with this, the more logical conclusion in my eyes.

 

[Owarij]

Exactly this. In the case of Kamui I would say chakra is simply the power source that enables Obito to bend space and time to his will.

You're attributing too much real life logic to these fictional scenarios... Shinra tensei is a gravitational forces yes, but it was never stated that control of it wasn't due to chakra... Infact, the mechanics of Shinra tensei and BT were never revealed.. Everything at this point is just our assumption of how the jutsu works... Does fire irl have anything at all to do with Chakra? No .. Ninjas can spit it from their mouths and shoot it from their eyes.... Is it somehow unlikely that a ninja can turn chakra into a moving or pulling force?
You have orochimaru who can control the movement of his kusunagi sword through God knows what means