And it looks that way to most of usyeah it might look that way to most people. i still don't think itachi could have beaten sasuke at full strength.
No hes saying sasuke at full strength could have beaten itachiAnd it looks that way to most of us
Even Zetsu was saying, that its not reak Itachi, its not his strenght
ye but whats good about naruto is that he doesnt always relly on the nine tails power he sometimes tries to control it and use his rasengan or kage bunshins insteadHehe it's kinda true. I don't think Sasuke is used to not having the curse seal to pull him out of jams with extra chakra, etc. I woudn't underestimate him though, Sasuke without the Sharingan is like a Naruto without the nine-tails.
remember tobi blocked suigetsu's sword with his bare arm.. so that's what sasuke could have been going to do. he hasn't used ANY sharingan techniques yet, so there is no way that you can compare 'current sasuke' to anybody else...
as for hachibi's strength... sasuke isn't going for a quick kill, so that's why he has to pretend to be weak and draw out the full power of the jinchuuriki, so sasuke knows how much force he can use on his opponent before he accidentally kills him.
i don't really like sasuke, but he's undeniably one of the strongest shinobi alive.
Yamato wasn't really stabbed, at least not deeply since he simply pushed Sasuke's chidori sword out with his mokuton jutsu, i.e. a piece of wood extended the sword out. He was also stabbed before Yamato said he was going to get serious.
If Itachi wanted to, he could've won that fight numerous times during it. He could've finished it with Ameratsu or Susanoo and let Sasuke go to sleep forever. Not to mention he was dying.
Also comparing Kakashi before the time skip to Sasuke afterwards is simply a false comparison(i.e. a mistake in a transitive inference here). If Itachi had defeated Kakashi after the timeskip it is a different story. For example, Sasuke defeated deidara, albeit using CS2. Deidara defeated Gaara, so it's fair to say that Sasuke is likely stronger than Gaara right now. Before the timeskip, Gaara would've killed Sasuke if not for Naruto.
The only fight I'll concede to Sasuke is Deidara. Now Sasuke is damn powerful, but we need more proof by means of his fighting. I say he is powerful because of his fights with Deidara and Itachi where we saw his jutsus and intelligence.
Sasuke has gotten a lot of his power ups for free though. CS2, MS, forbidden jutsu to speed him up from Kabuto/Orochimaru.
Agreed, but sometimes all we have to go on is transitive inference at times. Naruto was born with an ultimate power up with the 9 tails. I don't think people are being Sasuke haters, but it's desirable to clarify who he actually fought and defeated, and who people think he can defeat. As I said he's very powerful, and among the best currently out there. That's all I'll say for this thread. ThanksSeems like there is a lot of Sasuke haters on this forum
People tend to forget that he trained has hard as Naruto just because he got the sharingan. But you know, some are born with the avantage of their genetic (byakugan, sharigan, rinnegan), some are born with other abilities or, just like naruto, some are born with an incredible amount of chakra. All ninjas have different abilities that's just the way it it. As for the curse seal we could say the same about the kyubbi inside Naruto.