lol at all thne naruto fanboys

[Thundercles]

This thread is pointless. You are judging the success of the main character off a battle established far in the past. This thread is just flame-bait.

 

[GodaimeRaikage]

As Tsunade very rightfully stated, there has been, and there is no other person more fit to control the Kyuubi than Naruto. Of course, he wasn't born with the Kyuubi and it's not his right to be his Jiinchuuriki, but he has proved to be the only one to tame it perfectly. Furthermore, you're speaking of the Sharingan being the Uchiha's right, but you forget that under normal circumstances, not only Naruto would have never gotten the Kyuubi, but Sasuke would have never gotten the MS, let alone the EMS. You rush to take "power ups" and "upgrades" away from Naruto because you obviously dislike him, but you don't dare do the same to other characters. It has been made so Naruto is the Kyuubi's host. If you're that much into comparing characters WITHOUT what they have been given by the plot and by the author himself, then also remove Sasuke's MS and EMS... In fact, now that we're tampering so much with what's been drawn and written, let's take the Sharingan completely from Sasuke. Why? Because as much as you say the Kyuubi is the source of all Naruto's power, I can also say the Sharingan is the source of all Sasuke's power. Why not being fair?

Why type so much stupidity?And why are you bringing up Sasuke?I never mention Sasuke in my post, but if you really want to go that route i will.You are right Naruto would have never gotten the Kyuubi under "normal circumstances", but Sasuke would have gotten MS because as Tobirama explain, the sharingan in itself is derive from the Uchiha strong feelings.Feelings of hate, sadness, love, all can cause the sharingan and in some special cases MS.Now tell me how none of these feelings would occur to a shinobi during, lets say a battle, a mission, a war? No matter what nonsense you tried to make up, Sasuke would have gain MS under normal circumstances because there is no way for a shinobi not to feel any of the feelings I list during there lifespan.And it was Itachi who said Sasuke had the ability to awake MS during part one.

I dislike people bullying and hating on Naruto just because he is a Jiinchuuriki. Everything that every shinobi has, was possible because of the Sage of the Six Paths. He invented Ninjutsu in the first place. So, in a way, everything that every Shinobi does is taken from what Rikudou could do. That would mean Hashirama also got his power merely from being related to him. But that's wrong. Hashirama AND Madara got so powerful because they developed their strenght on their own. As did Naruto and as did Sasuke. Naruto being given the Kyuubi was actually beyond him, he didn't choose it. Sasuke was the one who got the EMS WILLINGLY, not to mention it was also thanks to Obito, after he spammed his own eyes so much that he got blind. So, if anything, you might want to start being a bit more fair... Sasuke is the one getting power ups, without not so much training. It's been even stated on the Manga how Orochimaru used drugs to tamper with Sasuke's growth in the 3 years they were together.

*Face Palm* Really? What is your point? You keeping rambling on nonsense.Rikudou invented ninjutsu, but he didn't invent every ninjutsu.Shinobi develop there own jutsus, which doesn't have anything to do with my point.MS is a genetic trait within Sasuke bloodline, the Kyubi is an outside source of power sealed within Naruto.If you can't see the difference in that, that your problem.Furthermore, it wasn't stated in the manga that Orochimaru gave Sasuke drugs to "tamper with Sasuke growth";That was Jiraiya's speculation, not a fact.Even more so, Sasuke was already light years ahead of Naruto in skills and the shinobi arts before Sasuke awake his sharingan or left the village to join Orochimaru.Or did you forget part one of the series.

Also, you rush so much to take the Kyuubi from Naruto without thinking about under WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES would that be possible. First, Akatsuki hasn't been able as of yet to extract the Kyuubi because of Naruto being too strong to capture him, or having allies that saved him. Second, if Minato didn't seal the Kyuubi inside Naruto, then Kushina takes the Kyuubi with her to death and Naruto gets to live with his father... And you seriously think his father is going to allow his own son to be weaker than, as you say, Orochimaru?

Again, more stupidity.The Akatsuki couldn't extract the Kyubi from Naruto because he had Allies to save him, not because he was too strong.Diedara said naruto was nothing and if it wasn't for kakashi being there he could have easily capture naruto.Without the Kyubi bursting out of naruto, Pain would have capture Naruto.Without Jiraiya protecting him, Itachi and kisame would have taken Naruto.So lets stop with the stupidity of Naruto being too strong as the reason the kyubi never got extracted.And what basis do you have to suggest Naruto would be stronger than Orochimaru just because Minato was there?Is Asuma as strong as his father the Third Hokage?Hiruzen was consider the god of shinobi, the master of a thousand genjutsus, but his son wasn't as strong as his student Orochimaru.The Third Raikage was there with his son "A(Fourth Raikage)"yet A(Fourth Raikage) wasn't on the same level as his father.

Third, if the Kyuubi attack hadn't happened, then Naruto would have grown up with BOTH his parents, and you seriously think they would somehow NOT train him to be stronger than, as you say, Orochimaru?

Just because the father is one level of shinobi, doesn't mean the son will be the same level.You are stupidly talking as if Minato and Kushina could just make Naruto powerful because Minato is a Kage level shinobi.Furthermore, you obviously don't know how strong Orochimaru is.

No Kyuubi means unlimited Sage Mode. And we know how strong Naruto's sage mode is even WITH the Kyuubi. And then we add Hiraishin No Jutsu courtesy of Naruto's father and Sealing Jutsu from Kushina and possibly her mother. And you still think Naruto would be weaker than, as you say, Orochimaru?

^^^What proof you have that Naruto would have learn Flying Thunder God if Minato was there? Especially, since his father thought he would need the Kyubi's power , and Jiraiya thought the same.Espcially since Jiraiya who's intelligence was a 5 in the databooks couldn't master it and Minato never taught it to The Third Hokage who was said to have master every technique in the village.You are simply posting your dreams for Naruto without any basis.Minato was a natural born genius, a once in a life time shinobi as Jiraiya called him.Naruto isn't a once in a life time genius and the possibility of him being one if his parents were there is slim to none.

You don't take these circumstances into consideration. You just go around saying, "yeah, Naruto without the Kyuubi is fodder"... You don't even think HOW would it be possible for Naruto to NOT have the Kyuubi. You don't think through your assumptions, because you're too busy hating on a character that happens to be the main protagonist, and happens to be one of the top shinobi right now. And yes, he is meant to be Hashirama's equal, mainly because Naruto, Hashirama and the Younger Son represent the same values, the same mentality and probably even the same personality. The same way, Sasuke is Madara's representation, as well as the Elder Son's. If you have read the Manga without considering what exactly are Naruto's and Sasuke's parts on the actual storyline, then it's more than understandable how you would simply make such ignorant statements.

*no comment* to many feelings and emotions, i think you are about to awaken your sharingan.